Dangerous Doctrines..

[Peaceful Civilian]

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[Mav3rick]

see even if the US takes away nukes of Pak (say hypothetically because of a war b/w US and Pak) Pak as a country would still survive and there people would still be alive and they can live their life.. ( except for the soldiers who will die in a war on both sides and he civilian casualties that goes for another war). So i can say in that war, PAk military will loose, loose nukes also, and some number of casualties would be there..... but 99% of Pak lands and people would be alive......

First off, the whole idea of a weapon so terrible that it makes the world tremble at the thought of use is to ensure that nobody gets any smart ideas. Secondly, our Nukes are not unguarded compounds where special ops teams can come in undetected.......there is a 10,000 strong military guard at all Nuclear Weapons storage facilities that does not include SSG and other elite units that have continuous vigilance. And, well, there are multiple layers of SAM systems at these locations that are the most advanced ones available to Pakistan.....if you are wondering which ones, have a read on FT/FD-2000 systems that Pakistan was looking to purchase around the same time a NSG group was formed. And then there is the monster that makes CIA stutter, ISI.....it also has a big stake in these weapons security. These are just the most basic defenses that guard the ultimate weapon that we possess.

Also, my friend, if 1998's Nuclear tests are any indication of our abilities, it should also be an indication that we do not have a habit of declaring what we have, unless we absolutely have to. Had India not conducted a Nuclear test in 1998....the world would still have been second guessing our Nuclear ability. That kinda brings me to the delivery systems that we 'may' possess, potentially enabling us to hit any country of the world....one way or the other. Just because you don't know it, does not mean we do not have it

I think you dont get the point -- with treacherous barbarians like the leading politicos, the patriotic military is the representative of the state ......some elements have been corrupted by hte previous dictators especially musharraf kazab --but by and large they represent the people of pakistan ---not the feudals and business class robber barons selected through rigged elections with fraudulent voter rolls......

I think anybody who is critical of Musharraf is ..... well, not very smart. Considering our options, ofcourse.

Is it being suggested that Pak should lob nukes into India if its nukes are threatened by the US even if not aggressive act is shown by India ?

Not just India, but also Israel.

I, personally, do not agree that we should target Indian cities. However, I am all for crippling the Indian military with tactical Nukes if our have to use the option at all. I would say the same thing about Israel and the US.

I mean what in the world would we do with 200 Nukes??

 

[Mav3rick]

I don't think General Kiyani has the guts in him do something like that. If that was the case, then it would have been done by now.

To us, it does seem the case. However, there is a possibility that all this is actually a drama for our benefit and that the drone strikes, which are actually allowed by GoP, serve a military purpose as well that we are not made aware of.

 

[Mav3rick]

Unfortunately for u I know something about everything...

When u say 4500k u need a bloody guidance system to target accurately 4500km away .
Name one occasion when Pakistan has launched a GPS satellite ?

i dont think Pakistan has proven capability beyond 700KM. Ready-made rockets can be launched anytime straight in the air ;

but apart from an arsenal of over-glorified Rocket artillery(which u call IRBMs) the best bet PAkistan may have is the Orange tube BABUR

and range is only 1/3 of a missiles capabilities. Avionics, fuel type ,motor used play an important role.
And Pakistan has no space Industry ....where ur getting ur stuff frm?
IT would have been believable if Pakistan had a flourishing economy but space tec R&D require a big Investment of Money and skilled Engineers.Pakistan lacks both.

ITs only a matter of calling Pakistan's bluff.. but tht will hardly ever happen, India will always give u the benefit of the doubt.

You are not a very smart, whatever you are. Since I cannot be bothered to waste my time on someone who probably does not even register an IQ I will not go in to the details. But you are advised to read up on guidance systems of Pakistani Missiles (in case GPS is scrambled or unavailable) before you give Indians further bad name.

No I mean to say. Attack the one who attacked you. simple. Attack US if you could, otherwise try to make peace with them.

Seeing from another point of view, any such Pak action would make US laugh too hard. US could kill 3 birds with one stone.

US doesnt like rise of India and China.

So all US needs to do (if it knows this mentality that Pak attacks India wid nukes) is attack Pak, Pak will Nuke India, India will Nuke Pak and China and US has got rid of all 3

So would Pak allow US to play this game? This is another way of thinking.

US will decide to attack Pak on its own wish without caring for India's opinion. India is not powerful enough that US will listen to India.

But if Pak nukes India, India would definitively nuke China.

Do you understand the eventuality post MAD of these countries? Any idea what the world will eat if India, Pakistan, China and most probably Bangladesh and some other neighboring countries effected with fallout are unable to produce food?

Use of a Nuke is no small matter, regardless of the target.

 

[RazorMC]

Is it being suggested that Pak should lob nukes into India if its nukes are threatened by the US even if not aggressive act is shown by India ?

I hope you find comfort in knowing that there are much saner minds in control of the "LAUNCH" buttons.


Plus, the US is just testing the waters with this type of doomsayer analysis. What people say is unimportant, the US will be following the Military's response (if it bothers to respond to troll-analysts).

 

[Soumitra]

Not just India, but also Israel.

I, personally, do not agree that we should target Indian cities. However, I am all for crippling the Indian military with tactical Nukes if our have to use the option at all. I would say the same thing about Israel and the US.

I mean what in the world would we do with 200 Nukes??

Do you think that India/Israel will sit quietly when you use a "Tacticle" Nuke. We have a "No First Use" policy but also a policy of disproportionate second strike. And as for Israel they have demonstrated many time that for 1 Israeli killed they are willing to kill 10 militants

 

[MehrotraPrince]

Do you think that India/Israel will sit quietly when you use a "Tacticle" Nuke. We have a "No First Use" policy but also a policy of disproportionate second strike. And as for Israel they have demonstrated many time that for 1 Israeli killed they are willing to kill 10 militants

No way, this will just start World war III and many nations will get involved. Bad Doctrine.

No country can win war by nuking large countries like US, Russia, China or India, they are too big and advanced enough to be defeated.

Many people have wrong perception about technological advancement of USA, F 22 is just tip of ice. USA is not going to attack Pakistan or are going to take away their nuke weapons, so cool down.

 

[Soumitra]

No way, this will just start World war III and many nations will get involved. Bad Doctrine.

No country can win war by nuking large countries like US, Russia, China or India, they are too big and advanced enough to be defeated.

Many people have wrong perception about technological advancement of USA, F 22 is just tip of ice. USA is not going to attack Pakistan or are going to take away their nuke weapons, so cool down.

Like I said we will not start a war but we will make sure that we will end it

 

[cloud]

If you're going to the hangman's noose anyway, then why not take your enemies down with you?

If they believe that you will take them down with you, or otherwise cause unacceptable damage to them, then you have achieved DETERRENCE. Which is the entire point.

Also, I think you might be biased, on the account of the fact that India is a potential target in this scenario.

Of course an Indian won't like this doctrine, because they get the wrong end of the stick even if they are not at fault. But who cares? This is a section for Pakistan's strategic interests, not India's.

I understand why you are biased regarding your opinion, but then you are forgetting bigger picture, If India is able to control the damage via ABM etc..In that case we will need only a few nukes to wipe all Pakistani cities and after that it will be a non stop saga of conventional bombing for years on pakistan once the air superiority is established, rest revenge work will be done by conventional army and we will take as much as we can for the damage done. But... assume if India takes a bigger hit and we loose all of our big cities then you can be pretty certain that the massive retaliation will against China along with pakistan, because after that we wouldn't have much to loose anyway and you cann't take all the Indians for the saints that we would forgive the real culprits, offcourse you wouldn't see Indian politicians making bigmouth claims like this in open like pakistanis, there isn't much to explain here why so..

 

[Mav3rick]

Do you think that India/Israel will sit quietly when you use a "Tacticle" Nuke. We have a "No First Use" policy but also a policy of disproportionate second strike. And as for Israel they have demonstrated many time that for 1 Israeli killed they are willing to kill 10 militants

Well, when used against military targets the objective would be to take out the ability of retaliation or a second strike especially against India & Israel, including their Nuclear Missile capable subs and portable launchers.

 

[Mav3rick]

I understand why you are biased regarding your opinion, but then you are forgetting bigger picture, If India is able to control the damage via ABM etc..In that case we will need only a few nukes to wipe all Pakistani cities and after that it will be a non stop saga of conventional bombing for years on pakistan once the air superiority is established, rest revenge work will be done by conventional army and we will take as much as we can for the damage done. But... assume if India takes a bigger hit and we loose all of our big cities then you can be pretty certain that the massive retaliation will against China along with pakistan, because after that we wouldn't have much to loose anyway and you cann't take all the Indians for the saints that we would forgive the real culprits, offcourse you wouldn't see Indian politicians making bigmouth claims like this in open like pakistanis, there isn't much to explain here why so..

Your ABM system will have to be 100% foolproof and accurate to be able to kill all Missiles + Decoys. No system is 100% successful.

 

[Qasibr]

Good Luck ...

You too, man.

 

[Secur]

Our doctrine is very clear !

If the integrity of Pakistan is in danger , all hell will break loose on our enemies ! The attitude , determination and concept that has prevented two wars ... Think again

 

[Rocky25]

Well, when used against military targets the objective would be to take out the ability of retaliation or a second strike especially against India & Israel, including their Nuclear Missile capable subs and portable launchers.

Wow! What a thought! So can you tell the exact location of Indian nukes, Nuke subs and portable launchers?

Our doctrine is very clear !

If the integrity of Pakistan is in danger , all hell will break loose on our enemies ! The attitude , determination and concept that has prevented two wars ... Think again

Prevented 2 wars with India! not with US!