Dangerous Doctrines..

[Qasibr]

Contentious , to say the least.

Perhaps. But it is a quantifiable fact. 1948 India crossed into Kashmir, which was under dispute. It still hasn't produced the official "Instrument of Accession", in over 60 years. 1965, India crossed the border again. And it did so as well in 1971.

 

[regular]

Nuklear war doesn't favor any country yes but its deterrance is worthwhile.....

 

[idune]

If you're going to the hangman's noose anyway, then why not take your enemies down with you?

And best way to communicate that doctrine is to take page out of american play book and say - "all options are in the table".

 

[ramu]

What people do not realize here and neither did the author of the post, what does Iran posses that could potentially threaten the US? The difference b/w Iran and Pakistan is that Iran has not allowed the US to meddle in their internal matters in a long long time and they have always made it obvious that they would militarily protect their country while on the other hand Pakistan has allowed the US to meddle in the internal affairs for quite a long time and has never threatened, literally, to take measures to defend the country.

If today, General Kiyani orders drones to be shot down and for the military to be prepared to defend the country against any aggression by all means necessary and available......(especial note for Indians -> my emphasis on the word 'defend'!), would the US dare engage us?

I don't think General Kiyani has the guts in him do something like that. If that was the case, then it would have been done by now.

 

[third eye]

Perhaps. But it is a quantifiable fact. 1948 India crossed into Kashmir, which was under dispute. It still hasn't produced the official "Instrument of Accession", in over 60 years. 1965, India crossed the border again. And it did so as well in 1971.

Good Luck ...

 

[Splurgenxs]

The only on e winning this ? Deep sea creatures..

US attacks...Pakistan Nukes India <-->India nukes China<-->China nukes America <--> America nukes Russia

Behold "Terminator tune running in the background"


In all realism Pakistan lacks credible conventional delivery mechanism beyond a few kilometers(there rockets may be ok but the guidance systems?what guidance systems.) and whit what America can do ,with its Active denial systems ..

Not many countries have a chance.

America is too powerful for any one country to face it alone forget Pakistan. Devised we fall United we stand

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

The situation is way too far-fetched .

This isn't going to happen . America will not try to take Pakistan's nuclear weapons . This is just some conspiracy theories of Pakistan coming from hawkish elements. The only time America may try to do this is when the Taliban is about to over run Pakistan and get hold of nukes . Now that itself is far-fetched . Not going to happen .

Wrong!!
If you look as american, They will not like any rising power(China,Russia, India etc) from Asia or south Asia. SO best thing is to destabilize the region and to create the situation where U.S or West can Rule the world easily.
This is their Intention to Rule the world And it serves their Interest as well.
Unfortunately, War is possible !!

 

[ghauri05]

see even if the US takes away nukes of Pak (say hypothetically because of a war b/w US and Pak) Pak as a country would still survive and there people would still be alive and they can live their life.. ( except for the soldiers who will die in a war on both sides and he civilian casualties that goes for another war). So i can say in that war, PAk military will loose, loose nukes also, and some number of casualties would be there..... but 99% of Pak lands and people would be alive......

option 1)
so loose WAR, loose Nukes, some casualties, 99% pak people alive and their lands not a nuclear waste.


But what CD (the epic ccp guy) here is saying that in case of Pak US war, Pak should not choose the above option but go for the below option:

option 2)

loose WAR, Loose Nukes, 100% Pakistanis Killed, 100% Pakistan land as Waste Land. (consequences of Pak launching Nuke attack on India and India obviously also suffers enormous)

So tell me what will Pak choose in case US attacks Pak

option 1) loss of a war with few thousand deaths

or

option 2) complete wiping out of Pak civilisation (and making waste land of whole sub continent)


Chinese surley would like option 2. But I doubt the Pak would oblige u scums.

Actually you are expressing your wish that by some means PAK may loose its nuke and india get relieved.This article is not asking about your wishes!

 

[Soumitra]

Do Pakistanis ever think why doesn't US ever say that they will take out India's nukes? Even we don't have delivery systems to hit mainland USA. And god forbid if any time an indo US war breaks out we will never say " hey we can't hit Washinton DC so lets nuke Islamabad"

 

[Qasibr]

In all realism Pakistan lacks credible conventional delivery mechanism beyond a few kilometers(there rockets may be ok but the guidance systems?what guidance systems.) and whit what America can do ,with its Active denial systems ..

Not many countries have a chance.

America is too powerful for any one country to face it alone forget Pakistan. Devised we fall United we stand

You don't seem to know what you're talking about... do you know how much a kilometer is? Pakistan's already tested missiles with ranges of thousands of km. While they aren't ICBMs(Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles), they still are IRBMs(Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles). So - "beyond a few kilometers" is very incorrect. Shaheen-III can hit targets at 4500 KM, for example.

Divided we fall, but some countries in our region tend to become a tool in US hands - I think Indians should hold their government accountable for making India a "front" against China. This is a fight that benefits the US, but not China or India.

 

[Pakistanisage]

It is easy to talk about disarming Pak nukes but such an action may lead to disastrous consequences on the Planet Earth. If Pakistan cannot defend its SOVEREIGNTY then there is no reason to have Pakistan as a country. I suspect if Pakistan goes down the tube, it will definitely take countries like Israel and India along with it. Knowing Pakistani people this is almost gauranteed. The US should tread carefully in this direction.

Do Pakistanis ever think why doesn't US ever say that they will take out India's nukes? Even we don't have delivery systems to hit mainland USA. And god forbid if any time an indo US war breaks out we will never say " hey we can't hit Washinton DC so lets nuke Islamabad"

And yet, Indians cannot hide their glee over the prospects of US trying to Disarm Pakistan by force. That is precisely why we will nuke India as we go down. Pakistanis believe in the expression:

HUM TOU DUBAIN HAIN SUNUM, TUM KO BHI LE DUBAIN GAY.

 

[LaBong]

If you're going to the hangman's noose anyway, then why not take your enemies down with you?

If they believe that you will take them down with you, or otherwise cause unacceptable damage to them, then you have achieved DETERRENCE. Which is the entire point.

Also, I think you might be biased, on the account of the fact that India is a potential target in this scenario.

Of course an Indian won't like this doctrine, because they get the wrong end of the stick even if they are not at fault. But who cares? This is a section for Pakistan's strategic interests, not India's.

Talking about end of the stick, and since you advocating India to be nuked by Pakistan even if India is not the aggressor, don't you think Agni5 is too long a stick for Pakistan? May be we can have better use for it in a nuke Armageddon!

 

[timetravel]

Actually you are expressing your wish that by some means PAK may loose its nuke and india get relieved.This article is not asking about your wishes!

No I mean to say. Attack the one who attacked you. simple. Attack US if you could, otherwise try to make peace with them.

Seeing from another point of view, any such Pak action would make US laugh too hard. US could kill 3 birds with one stone.

US doesnt like rise of India and China.

So all US needs to do (if it knows this mentality that Pak attacks India wid nukes) is attack Pak, Pak will Nuke India, India will Nuke Pak and China and US has got rid of all 3

So would Pak allow US to play this game? This is another way of thinking.

US will decide to attack Pak on its own wish without caring for India's opinion. India is not powerful enough that US will listen to India.

But if Pak nukes India, India would definitively nuke China.

 

[Rank]

Pull the nuclear trigger? You have to have a target before you pull it. So, what and where is it? American assets in the Middle East? NATO/U.S. Forces in Afghanistan? The American 5th Fleet?

These guys have lost their marbles, because if any American asset is targeted, then its curtains for Pakistan.

Let's face it. You can't thumb your nose at a global super power. Period!

who f***d by Talibans everyday here is your Super Power LOL who even not capable to control 15% of Afghanistan properly where as Taliban *** your Super power everyday btw entering in Kabul and hit US bases and your non-sense (As usual Indian post) talking about Nuclear Armed country lol.

One thing keep in your mind forever and fwd it to your whole nation. Pakistan have single policy about its Nuke..

If we under attack we will use NUKE over India either Attack by US or any other country that what made it clear from Pakistan Military. That is why from last 10 years your Military - to - Ministers not even capable to do anything and we already have seen after 26/11 Bollywood Drama.

Where your Kirshna who always blame ISI infact blame ISI for his birth as well talking about SURGICAL Strike also your P. Mukerjee who was very much SERIOUS about striking over Pakistan after 2 days his Striking ***logy was over

So hope you get it now... and Why US not talking about India Nukes because US want to use (infact already did from last 10 years) use and ready India for China. Infact that was another disaster for India and the US as well. US already lost the war and can't do anything. We are listing that bullshits of Panetta from last 8 months... we willl do this... and we will do that... still US CAN'T DO ANYTHING because they know the consequences of striking Pakistan Directly by forces. So last option for the US is... what US already doing from last 10 years is desalinizing Pakistan by funding terrorist on the name of TTP from Afghanistan.

Now putar go to sleep! hoon sooja subha uth kar bollywood ke movies dekhna!

 

[Splurgenxs]

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