Cyrus the Great was defeated and killed by a women

[RZAWT]

Herodot not telling anything about it is not a proof but I agree that its impossible to know if they spoke more the one language(which would be normal I explained why), after all even the evidence directs us to Iranian theory is very limited.

Fortunately we have the Ossetians, the sole decedents of the Scythians (Alans), who still speak an Iranian language, therefor confirming the fact that those tribes were Iranians:

Ossetian is the spoken and literary language of the Ossetes, a people living in the central part of the Caucasus and constituting the basic population of the republic of North Ossetia–Alania, which belongs to the Russian Federation, and of the South Ossetia, which is de facto independent (belongs to the Georgian Republic according to most other states). Ossetian belongs to the Northern subgroup of the Eastern-Iranian group of the Indo-European family of languages. Thus, it is genetically related to the other Eastern-Iranian languages, e.g. Pashto and Yaghnobi.

From deep Antiquity (since the 7th–8th centuries BC), the languages of the Iranian group were distributed in a vast territory including present-day Iran (Persia), Central Asia, Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. Ossetian is the sole survivor of the northeastern branch of Iranian languages known as Scythian. The Scythian group included numerous tribes, known in ancient sources as the Scythians, Massagetae, Saka, Sarmatians, Alans and Roxolans. The more easterly Khorezmians and the Sogdians were also closely affiliated, in linguistic terms.

Ossetian, together with Kurdish, Tati and Talyshi, is one of the main Iranian languages with a sizable community of speakers in the Caucasus. It is descended from Alanic, the language of the Alans, medieval tribes emerging from the earlier Sarmatians. It is believed to be the only surviving descendant of a Sarmatian language. The closest genetically related language is the Yaghnobi language of Tajikistan, the only other living member of the Northeastern Iranian branch. Ossetian has a plural formed by the suffix -ta, a feature it shares with Yaghnobi, Sarmatian and the now-extinct Sogdian; this is taken as evidence of a formerly wide-ranging Iranian-language dialect continuum on the Central Asian steppe. The names of ancient Iranian tribes (as transmitted through Ancient Greek) in fact reflect this pluralization, e.g. Saromatae (Σαρομάτα&#953 and Masagetae (Μασαγέτα&#953.

These people had nothing to do with Turks.

 

[Surenas]

Again:

Scythians, Sarmatians and Massagates were completely Iranic, and had nothing to do with Turkic, at least not in the age of Cyrus the Great. In fact, if you look at the language, religion and phenotype of Scythians (Saka), you'll see that bear a lot of similarities with other Iranic people like the Persians. The religion of Scythians in fact was heavily similar to the religion of the Persians, and the cast priest of the Scythians was similar to the cast priest of the Medians (Magi):

These images of Scythians (Saka) have been found on the walls of Persepolis:

Persians:

Convex noses, large eyes, etc.

 

[Charon]

Again:



Convex noses, large eyes, etc.

There is no dogma in this world that you must be Mongoloid for being Turkic and Many Turkic peoples were also described with Caucasoid features aynway. The ancestors of the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz were known for their blue eyes and blonde hair. Many Tatars from the Volga region of Russia have blonde hair, blue eyes and look mainly Caucasoid. It seems that Tatars resemble their ancestors more than Kazakhs and Kyrygz who are heavily mixed with Mongols

The Cumans (Turkish: kuman / plural kumanlar[1] Hungarian: kun / plural kunok;[2] Greek: Κο(&#965μάνοι, Ko(u)mánoi;[3] Romanian: cuman / plural cumani, Polish: Połowcy, Plauci (Kumanowie), Russian: Половцы, Polovtsy; Ukrainian: Половці, Polovtsi; Bulgarian: Кумани, Czech: Plavci, Georgian: ყივჩაყი, ყიფჩაღი, German: Falones, Phalagi, Valvi, Valewen, Valani) were a Turkic[2][4][5][6] nomadic people comprising the western branch of the Cuman-Kipchak confederation. After the Mongol invasion (1237), many sought asylum in Hungary[7] and, subsequently, Bulgaria. Other researchers state that the Cumans were welcomed to Hungary before the Mongol invasion.[8] Cumans had also settled in Bulgaria before the Mongol invasion.

The Cumans' name in Russian and German means "yellow", in reference to the color of the Cumans' hair.[17] The Ukrainian word Polovtsy (Пóловц&#1110 means "blond", since the old Ukrainian word polovo means "straw". Kuman means "pale yellow" in Turkic. Some authors put forward the idea that the name Polovtsy referred to "men of the field, or of the steppe" (from the Ukrainian word pole: open ground, field), not to be confused with polyane (cf. Greek polis: city). In Slavic languages the word 'polyane' literally means "open ground, field". According to O. Suleymenov polovtsy came from a word for "blue-eyed", since the Serbo-Croatian word plav means "blue":[18] the Eastern Slavic equivalent would take the regular form *polov.

Cuman people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kipchak languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Yenisei Kirghiz were also described with Caucasoid features and look how the modern Kyrgyz look today

The Yenisei Kirghiz, also known as the Khyagas or Khakas, were an ancient Turkic people that dwelled along the upper Yenisei River in the southern portion of the Minusinsk Depression from the 3rd century BCE to the 13th century CE. The heart of their homeland was the forested Tannu-Ola mountain range (known in ancient times as the Lao or Kogmen mountains), in modern day Tuva, just north of Mongolia. The Sayan mountains, and much of Mongolia's Great Lakes Depression, were also included in their territory at different times. The Kirghiz Khaganate existed from 550 to 1293 CE; in 840, it took over the leadership of the Turkic Khaganate from the Uigurs, expanding the state from the Yenisei territories into the Central Asia and Tarim basin. The Yenisei Kirghiz is modern day Khakas, Tuva.

The Kirghiz were described in Tang Dynasty texts as having primarily Caucasian features, with some having East Asian features.[6] According to the Tang Huiyao (961 CE) article on Jiegu (the Kirghiz), which very likely comes from the Xu Huiyao that Yang Shaofu and others completed in 852, citing Ge Jiayun, who was the Protector General of Anxi:[6]

During the reign period of Kaiyuan of [emperor] Xuanzong, Ge Jiayun, composed A Record of the Western Regions, in which he said "the people of the Jiankun state all have red hair and green eyes. The ones with dark eyes were descendants of Li Ling.

It further mentioned that the name "Xiajiasi", by which the Kirghiz were then known, was what the Uyghurs called them and had the meaning "yellow head and red face", although confusingly it was also a name Kirghiz themselves used.

Khazars were also Turkic and they were also described with Caucasoid features:

The Khazars (Greek: Χάζαροι, Hebrew: כוזרים (Kuzarim),[4] Turkish: Hazarlar, Tatar: Xäzärlär, Arabic: خزر‎ (khazar), Russian: Хазары, Persian: خزر‎,Latin: Gazari[5][6]/Cosri[7]/Gasani[8][9]) were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who created the most powerful Western steppe empire, Khazaria, between the late 7th and 10th centuries. Astride one of the major arteries of commerce between northern Europe and southwestern Asia, Khazaria commanded the western marches of the Silk Road and played a key commercial role as a crossroad between China, the Middle East, and European Russia.[10] For some three centuries (c. 650–965) the Khazars dominated the vast area extending from the Volga-Don steppes to the eastern Crimea and the northern Caucasus[11]

It has been estimated that from 25 to 28 distinct ethnic groups made up the population of the Khazar Qağanate, aside from the ethnic elite. The ruling elite seems to have been constituted out of nine tribes/clans, themselves ethnically heterogeneous, spread over perhaps nine provinces or principalities, each of which would have been allocated to a clan.[52] In terms of caste or class, some evidence suggests that there was a distinction, whether racial or social is unclear, between "White Khazars" (ak-Khazars) and "Black Khazars" (qara-Khazars).[52] The 10th-century Muslim geographer al-Iṣṭakhrī claimed that the White Khazars were strikingly handsome with reddish hair, white skin, and blue eyes, while the Black Khazars were swarthy, verging on deep black, as if they were "some kind of Indian".[67] Many Turkic nations had a similar (political, not racial) division between a "white" ruling warrior caste and a "black" class of commoners; the consensus among mainstream scholars is that Istakhri was confused by the names given to the two groups.[68] However, Khazars are generally described by early Arab sources as having a white complexion, blue eyes, and reddish hair.[69][70] The name of the presumed founding Āshǐnà clan itself may reflect an etymology suggestive of a darkish colour.[71][72] The distinction appears to have survived the collapse of the Khazarian empire. Later Russian chronicles, commenting on the role of the Khazars in the magyarization of Hungary, refer to them as "White Oghurs" and Magyars as "Black Ogurs".

I don't say that Turks or Azeris are pure Turks or something because they're also mixed just like Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. It's unknown which race the first Turks were but it looks like that were neither pure Caucasoid nor pure Mongoloid but more like a mix from day one.

 

[Surenas]

Charon, let see what we have:

1) Scythians, Sarmatians and Massagataes spoke an Iranian language.
2) The only linguistic decedents of these people are Ossetians who still speak an Iranian language.
3) Persians and Scythians communicated with each other without translators.
4) Central-Asia, Caucasus and East Europe was the homeland of these people, while the Turks were non-present in these areas.
5) The religion of Scythians was proto-Iranian.

Iranian, 100%.

 

[Targon]

Ossetians/Alans are one people/tribe, again that doesn't proves if these groups of tribes were speaking one language or not.

 

[Charon]

Charon, let see what we have:

1) Scythians, Sarmatians and Massagataes spoke an Iranian language.
2) The only linguistic decedents of these people are Ossetians who still speak an Iranian language.
3) Persians and Scythians communicated with each other without translators.
4) Central-Asia, Caucasus and East Europe was the homeland of these people, while the Turks were non-present in these areas.
5) The religion of Scythians was proto-Iranian.

Iranian, 100%.

1.) There is no proof for it that they only spoke Eastern Iranian languages. The language evidences of Scythans are zero and it's very unlikely that they only spoke one language

2.) The Ossetian language is full of Caucasian and Turkic words. It's genetically already proven that Ossetians are mainly native Caucasians while the mtDNA haplotypes of Turkic Kazakh women from Western Mongolia seems to be identical with ancient Sarmatian women.

Ancient DNA of 13 Sarmatian remains from Pokrovka kurgan burials in the southern Ural steppes along the Kazakhstan and Russian border was extracted for comparative analysis. Most of the mitochondrial haplogroups determined were of western Eurasian origin, while only a few were of "central/east Asian Haplotype which is found among the Turkic speaking nomadic people. This Haplotype is almost (one base pair missing) identical with the Haplotype of the (Kazakh) women from western Mongolia

3.) Where is the source that Persians and Scythians could communicate with each other? Persians and Scythians hated one other. You ancestors considered the Turanians as the arch enemies. The Persians considered themselves and their land Iran as "illuminated" while they saw the Central Asian nomads and Turan as "dark civilization". I think we can easily say that Turks are culturally the descendants of Turanians. The Scythians from Central Asia allied themselves with the Türks because they had a similar steppe nomad life style. It's not a coincedince that Sakas suddenly "disappeared" in Central Asia from world history when the Turks appeared in the 6th century. They were absorbed and assimilated by the Gökturks.

4.) Central Asia is a huge area. It's stupid to believe that only Iranic peoples populated Central Asia. What about the Xiongnu who are considered as Proto-Turks by many Turkologists and historians? They've also ruled CA in ancient times. Eastern Europe is the homeland of Slavs, Finno-Ugrics and Turks today. It's not my fault when the "Iranic" Scythians were too weak and got completely assimilated by Slavs and Turks

5.) Horse sacrifices, skull cups from enemies, warrior culture, drinking horse blood... All of these traditions are part of the steppe nomadic Turco-Mongol culture. Iranians don't belong to that culture

The culture of Scythians and the Scythians themselves live further in Turkic peoples today, 100%

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Can somebody please explain to me what Turko-Mongol means .

Was Timur a Turko-Mongol ? or just a Turk ?

What about Babur ? The founder of the Mughal empire ?

 

[Targon]

Timur was a Turko-Mongol, due to culture similarity and Turkic people being more numerous, those Mongols who went to west rapidly become indistinguishable from Turks and Mongol language is rapidly replaced by Turkic.

Besides that, there is Perso-Islamic factor, Islamized Turkic(and Turko-Mongol) states usually had Persianized bureacracy, Babur was coming from such culture, Turko-Mongol , but also has Persian elements.

 

[Surenas]

1.) There is no proof for it that they only spoke Eastern Iranian languages. The language evidences of Scythans are zero and it's very unlikely that they only spoke one language

There are tons of proof of backing this claim up. The fact that you don't know what you are talking about is not a argument in itself. Also Ossetian language is related to Scythian language, and as we all know, Ossetian is Iranian.

2.) The Ossetian language is full of Caucasian and Turkic words. It's genetically already proven that Ossetians are mainly native Caucasians while the mtDNA haplotypes of Turkic Kazakh women from Western Mongolia seems to be identical with ancient Sarmatian women.

Ossetian language is NOT full with Turkic words. This is something you came up on your own, and you have no proof to back this up. Ossetian is grammatically completely Iranian; it doesn't even have the slightest Turkic element in it. The mtDNA of Ossetian is related to other Iranian groups.

3.) Where is the source that Persians and Scythians could communicate with each other? Persians and Scythians hated one other. You ancestors considered the Turanians as the arch enemies. The Persians considered themselves and their land Iran as "illuminated" while they saw the Central Asian nomads and Turan as "dark civilization". I think we can easily say that Turks are culturally the descendants of Turanians. The Scythians from Central Asia allied themselves with the Türks because they had a similar steppe nomad life style. It's not a coincedince that Sakas suddenly "disappeared" in Central Asia from world history when the Turks appeared in the 6th century. They were absorbed and assimilated by the Gökturks.

Here is the source of Scythians and Persians communicating with each other without translators:

''When it suited them, the Scythians cooperated with the Persians. Their language were still close enough for them to understand each other without translators. That the Persians themselves were renowned as archers is a sign that they had also descedend from the steppelands.''

Asia: A Concise History - Arthur Cotterell - Google Boeken

Turanians were not Turks, but Iranians. You guys have stole this from the Shahnameh.

4.) Central Asia is a huge area. It's stupid to believe that only Iranic peoples populated Central Asia. What about the Xiongnu who are considered as Proto-Turks by many Turkologists and historians? They've also ruled CA in ancient times. Eastern Europe is the homeland of Slavs, Finno-Ugrics and Turks today. It's not my fault when the "Iranic" Scythians were too weak and got completely assimilated by Slavs and Turks

Yes, only Iranic people inhabited Central-Asia. Turks were located somewhere else at the time.

5.) Horse sacrifices, skull cups from enemies, warrior culture, drinking horse blood... All of these traditions are part of the steppe nomadic Turco-Mongol culture. Iranians don't belong to that culture

The culture of Scythians and the Scythians themselves live further in Turkic peoples today, 100%

Iranians don't belong to that culture? We invented it. We were the first people to domesticate horses, use them in warfare, establishing the first world superpower, invent heavy cavalry, invent the knight culture, etc.

Turks all stole this from the Iranian people; not the other way around. There is nothing Scythian about Turkic people today. Not a single thing.

 

[Targon]

Oh it came to "wi dit everythung deh stul " argument, I guess when its involves several ethnicities discuissions never end in reasonable, logical borders.

-Pretty much all Caucasian languages has Turkic influence in them, which is normal considering region is usually controlled by Turkic states.

On Ossetic

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/caucasus-ii


-"Only Iranic people inhabited central asia" needs back up, there is no proof for that, we cannot know.

-Nothing is stolen, Alp Er Tunga was a Turkic folk hero which was similar to Afrasiyab in his role, thats why Kashgari presumed two were probably same, in fact thats actually strengthens the suspicion of Turkic speaking people were part of Saka.

 

[Charon]

There are tons of proof of backing this claim up. The fact that you don't know what you are talking about is not a argument in itself. Also Ossetian language is related to Scythian language, and as we all know, Ossetian is Iranian.



Ossetian language is NOT full with Turkic words. This is something you came up on your own, and you have no proof to back this up. Ossetian is grammatically completely Iranian; it doesn't even have the slightest Turkic element in it. The mtDNA of Ossetian is related to other Iranian groups.



Here is the source of Scythians and Persians communicating with each other without translators:



Asia: A Concise History - Arthur Cotterell - Google Boeken

Turanians were not Turks, but Iranians. You guys have stole this from the Shahnameh.



Yes, only Iranic people inhabited Central-Asia. Turks were located somewhere else at the time.



Iranians don't belong to that culture? We invented it. We were the first people to domesticate horses, use them in warfare, establishing the first world superpower, invent heavy cavalry, invent the knight culture, etc.

Turks all stole this from the Iranian people; not the other way around. There is nothing Scythian about Turkic people today. Not a single thing.

Sorry but it seem like that you don't have a clue about the language of Scythians as it's obivous that they were more a mixed group with a strong Turkic element

There are only sparse written records about the Scythians, which makes statements about their language very difficult. Herodotus gives in his History Books several words about the Scythian language such as etymologies like Arimaspoi 'one-eyed' (4.27; their historicity is disputed) and Oiorpata 'men killer' (4.110). The identification of the components of those names is very complex. Most researchers suggest ΟΙΟΡ (oior) as iranian vīra- 'man, hero', while ΠΑΤΑ (Pata) is perhaps a prescription of ΜΑΤΑ, so Iranian mar, 'kill'.
Herodotus also leads to a number of people-, gods- and peoples names. Furthermore there are known cuneiform inscriptions dating from the Achaemenid Empire in the ancient Iranian city of Susa. Darius I, son of Hystaspes, left in it a Scythian language of a peculiar type.[25][26]
Word Scythian Word Source Interpretation Derived from Source/Comment
anira anira Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) to repair Turkish tamir, to repair A. Chay 2002, 155[27]
Api Api Herodot, Hist. 4.59 earth godess Iranian ab, water Hermann Parzinger 2004, 78[28]
Api Api Herodot, Hist. 4.59 earth godess Turkish Yer-Sub, earth godess (Yer–>earth; Sub–>water) Ocak 2002[29]; Haussig 1999, 213[30]
Api Api Herodot, Hist. 4.59 Pra-Mother Turkish Api/Apai, mother G.Dremin, 2006[31]
Api Api Herodot, Hist. 4.59 earth godess Turkish Ebi, livebearing mother/ancestor (fertility) Zakiev, 1986, 27[32]
Api Api Herodot, Hist. 4.59 earth godess Turkish Abiasch, rain spirit (spiritual character) Ármin Vámbéry 1885, 119[33]
Api Api Herodot, Hist. 4.59 earth godess Turkish Abis, rain evocator/to summon rain (shaman) Ármin Vámbéry 1885, 119[34]
Arar Arar Herodot, Hist. 4.48 river Turkish aryk, flowing waters (stream) G.Dremin, 2006[35]
Arimaspoi arima Herodot, Hist. 4.27 one -
Arimaspoi arima Herodot, Hist. 4.27 – Turkish yarım, half Latyshev 1947, 307[36]
Arimaspoi aspoi? Herodot, Hist. 4.27 – Turkish sepi, eye Latyshev 1947, 307[37]
Arimaspoi spu Herodot, Hist. 4.27 – Turkish spu, eye G.Dremin, 2006[38]
Arimaspoi – Herodot, Hist. 4.27 one-eyed Mongolian äräm däk, one-eyed Laufer 1908, 452; Vermeer 1996, 114[39]
Arimaspoi Arimaspoi Herodot, Hist. 4.27 mountaineer Mongolian mountaineer Neumann 1856, 177[40]; New Year booking for Philology and Pedagogy 1858, 336[41]
Arimaspoi Arimaspoi Herodot, Hist. 4.27 – Iranian aspa, horse Tomaschek 1888, 761[42]
Arimaspoi Arimaspoi Herodot, Hist. 4.27 one-eyed horseman Turkish spu/sepi „eye“ und iranian aspa „horse“ Phillips 1955, 173-174.
Arimaspoi spu Herodot, Hist. 4.27 eye –
Arpoxai, Kolaxai, Lipoxai – – – Iranian xšāy, to reign ?
Arpoksai, Kolaksai, Lipoksai – – – Turkish soy, clan/ancestry Gasanov 2002, 210[43]
Arpoksai Arpok – – Turkish Arpağ, priest; or Arpalyk, landowner Gasanov 2002, 210[44]
arta arta Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) to sit Turkish otur, to sit A. Chay 2002, 155[45]
Aschy Aschy Herodot, Hist. 4.23 juice of a tree fruit Bashkir akhsha/aschi, juice of a tree fruit Karl Friedrich Merleker 1841, 14 (-> the way of handling the fruit is identical)[46]
daldu daldu Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) to fill Turkish doldur, to fill A. Chay 2002, 155[47]
enarei enarei Ibis, 4, 67 womanlike man Iranian a, without Abaev 1949[48]
enarei enarei Ibis, 4, 67 womanlike man Iranian nar, man Abaev 1949[49]
enarei enarei Ibis, 4, 67 womanlike man Turkish anair, virago Latyshev 1893, 63[50]
enarei enarei Ibis, 4, 67 castrated Turkish enar, to castrate/to lose his manhood G.Dremin, 2006[51]
gik gik Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) sky Turkish gök, sky A. Chay 2002, 155[52]
irchigi irchigi Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) to increase Turkish choğal, to increase A. Chay 2002, 155[53]
Kolaksai Kolak – – Turkish Kola, Bronze; or kylych, sword Gasanov 2002, 216[54]
***** ***** Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) to add Turkish kat, to add A. Chay 2002, 155[55]
kyrbasia kyrbasia Herodot, Hist. 7.64 acuate headdress Turkish kur/koy, to straighten up/to put; and baş/başa, head/to the head Mlasowsky 2006, 33[56]
Lipoksai Lipok – – Turkish Alp, miraculous patron Gasanov 2002, 204[57] (Lipoksai is also known as Afrasiab and as the son of Tur in the iranian mythology)
Oiorpata Oiorpata Herodot, Hist. 4.110 man killer
Oiorpata oior Herodot, Hist. 4.110 man Turkish er, man G.Dremin, 2006[58]
Oiorpata pata Herodot, Hist. 4.110 to kill/beat Turkish patak, to kill/beat Karl Steuerwald 1974, 268[59]
Oiorpata pata Herodot, Hist. 4.110 to kill/beat Turkish bat, to kill/beat G.Dremin, 2006[60]
Oiorpata oior Herodot, Hist. 4.110 to beat general Romance battre, to beat G.Dremin, 2006[61]
Oiorpata oior Herodot, Hist. 4.110 man Iranian vira, man ?
sagaris sagar Herodot, Hist. 7.64 battle axe Mordwinian sügä, axe Albrecht Wirth 1905, 184[62]
Targitai – Herodot, Hist. 4.5 – Targit, Turkish-Mongolian name Karatay 2003, 161[63]
Targitai – Herodot, Hist. 4.5 – Tarkutay, Mongolian chieftain Karatay 2003, 161[64]
Targitai – Herodot, Hist. 4.5 – Iranian darga , long Abaev 1949, 163[65]
Targitai – Herodot, Hist. 4.5 – Iranian tava , strength Abaev 1949, 163[66]
Traspier – Herodot, Hist. 4.6 – Iranian aspa , horse Hermann Parzinger 2004, 78[67]
val val Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) way Turkish yol, way A. Chay 2002, 155[68]
vita vita Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) opposite English opposite , opposite A. Chay 2002, 155[69]
vurun vurun Cuneiform Inscriptions from Susa, Iran (A.D. Mordtmann, 1870, 50) to chop Turkish vuruş, to chop A. Chay 2002, 155[70]

As for the Ossetian language:

Abaev - Ossetian language and Folklore - TurkicWorld

Have fun while reading it

It's actually funny that genetical tests proved that the mtDNA of Sarmatian women is closer to Turkic Kazakh women than to Ossetian women.

It was the Persians themselves who associated the "dark civilization" Turan with Turks. Guess now which whom the Persians identified the second son of emperor Fereydun called Tur in the Shanameh?

There is no proof for it that only Iranians inhabited Central Asia in ancient times

Persians should be the last ethnicity to speak about stealing a culture as your ancestors were also simple nomads who adopted the high culture of Babylonians and Elamites and called it "Persian culture".

There is nothing Scythian about Iranians. Scythians had a steppe nomad culture like modern steppe nomadic Turks and Mongols. Ossetians are mountain people and have nothing to with steppe culture

 

[Surenas]

Don't give me those ignorant pan-Turkic sources. I've already given you serious academic sources.

mtDNA of Ossetians is close to other Iranian groups. They speak an Iranic language, and have old Iranic customs in their culture.

Turks had nothing to do with Scythians. Turks are Mongoloids, while Scythians were Caucasoids, as all historians already mentioned.

This is Ossetian language:

Sounds Iranic.

 

[Charon]

Don't give me those ignorant pan-Turkic sources. I've already given you serious academic sources.

mtDNA of Ossetians is close to other Iranian groups. They speak an Iranic language, and have old Iranic customs in their culture.

Turks had nothing to do with Scythians. Turks are Mongoloids, while Scythians were Caucasoids, as all historians already mentioned.

This is Ossetian language:

Sounds Iranic.

I also gave you many serious sources about the "Scythian" words and their relationship with modern languages and it seems like that Scythians had a strong Turkic element in them. We can definitely say that Scythians were a mixed group with mainly Eastern Iranic and Turkic elments. if you want to label foreign linguists and scholars who relate Scythian words with modern Turkic words as "pan-Turks" than it's your problem

I'm looking at Wikipedia right know and Osstians don't count even 1 million people together.

 

[mastaan]

People of Gandhara were Indo-Aryans, not the East Iranians.

Yep.. The Kingdom of Gandhar is a famous one... However, there were more Aryan dynasties to the west of Gandhar... Like Kamboja, Varnu etc... Somehow, that part of history never gets counted and people start from Persian (Iranian) times, not the pre-historic ages (and Kamboj's were one of the 16 prominent kingdoms back then (around 600BC, I think) - of the 16 mahajanapadas (You find those kings and kingdoms mentioned in Bhagvadgeeta and Mahabharat)

 

[RazPaK]

Don't give me those ignorant pan-Turkic sources. I've already given you serious academic sources.

mtDNA of Ossetians is close to other Iranian groups. They speak an Iranic language, and have old Iranic customs in their culture.

Turks had nothing to do with Scythians. Turks are Mongoloids, while Scythians were Caucasoids, as all historians already mentioned.

This is Ossetian language:

Sounds Iranic.

LoL, but the kid that was rapping called himself a Turk in the rap.