CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Probably the only way to keep the U.S. Navy out without firing a shot would be a blockade around SCS.

The only realistic way to keep US Navy out without firing a single shot is to ignore it while continue build our artificial islands as what China is doing now, when US Navy see China is undeterred and become a burden for American tax payers to keep pay US huge armada patrolling at SCS then US navy be least likely to come. One key word to deal with US navy in SCS : 耗

 

[phancong]

The only way you going to push the U.S. out of the SCS without firing a shot is building artificial island on every square inch of SCS.

China will match the US naval power in SCS in 10 yrs. 10 from now China economy will surpass the US, China will have more battle ships, submarines, fight jets patrol the SCS in comparison to the US naval force. All the military grade artificial island can easily turn into the heavy fortify military naval base.

 

[grey boy 2]

Night view

 

[grey boy 2]

All looks like the launching ceremony is on according to schedule
credits to @超级大本营CDF
刷柒脚手架工具房？知道中国速度吗？哈哈哈哈哈！20170423海军节下水典礼的红地毯都上了。明天白天下水仪式确定的，真船进水就看大潮了。

 

[faithfulguy]

All looks like the launching ceremony is on according to schedule
credits to @超级大本营CDF
刷柒脚手架工具房？知道中国速度吗？哈哈哈哈哈！20170423海军节下水典礼的红地毯都上了。明天白天下水仪式确定的，真船进水就看大潮了。

So when is the hide tide tomorrow for the launch ceremony?

 

[IblinI]

Night view

Is it just me or the bridge looks different compared with Liaoning.

 

[Akasa]

Gosh. Where do you get your news from?
First of all. Liaoning was bought from Ukraine not Russia. 30,000 blueprints included. All for 20million. 4 engines were perfectly greease sealed. Each engine itself already costs 20million.

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/articl...how-one-man-bought-china-its-aircraft-carrier

As a precaution, he shipped 40 tonnes of the carrier's blueprints to China overland in eight trucks

You are correct with regards to Ukraine. SCMP's backstory on the blueprints sounds sketchy but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

However, the vessel was cleared of its engines and electronics before the transfer was made. The ship had to be towed throughout its journey to China (including through the treacherous Bosphorus Strait).

From the below given , can you explain what essentially was removed ...and why its hard to copy a structure basically ?
A flight deck, a flat surface on the top of the ship where aircraft can take off and land

• A hangar deck, an area below deck to stow aircraft when not in use

• An island, a building on top of the flight deck where officers can direct flight and ship operations

• Room for the crew to live and work

• A power plant and propulsion system to move the boat from point to point and to generate electricity for the entire ship

• The hull, the main body of the ship, which floats in water

You do know that two vessels with similar hulls could have drastically different internal modifications, right?

There are reports that the Chinese removed the Kuznetsov's Granit missile launchers to make way for an enlarged aircraft hangar, made space-saving measures to under-deck quarters, etc. The electronics, engines, weapons, and combat systems are completely new, as is the island (which differs from Russian Kuznetsov vessels).

The Type 001A carrier furthers this evolution by implementing a further reduction of wasted space and modifications to the island. There is growing evidence that the combat electronics have received an overhaul as well, going from Type 001 to Type 001A.

 

[Jlaw]

The only realistic way to keep US Navy out without firing a single shot is to ignore it while continue build our artificial islands as what China is doing now, when US Navy see China is undeterred and become a burden for American tax payers to keep pay US huge armada patrolling at SCS then US navy be least likely to come. One key word to deal with US navy in SCS : 耗

The only way is to have more nukes than US and REMOVE NFU.

 

[Nan Yang]

You are correct with regards to Ukraine. SCMP's backstory on the blueprints sounds sketchy but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

However, the vessel was cleared of its engines and electronics before the transfer was made. The ship had to be towed throughout its journey to China (including through the treacherous Bosphorus Strait).

It was towed to China with the engines. The engines were sealed.

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Contrary to initial reports that the ship had no engines, Xu reported that all four original engines remained intact at the time of purchase, but had been shut down and preserved in grease seals. A refit restored them to working order in 2011.

As for the blueprints why wouldn't the Ukrainians sell them. They practically sold EVERYTHING to China. The SU33 prototype, the arrestor, the blueprints for the carrier training center, the Zubr etc

 

[nang2]

Is it just me or the bridge looks different compared with Liaoning.

it is expected.

 

[Akasa]

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The Chinese got a hull with engines and blueprints and made a copy.

The Chinese modified the Kuznetsov design by the exact measures mentioned in the above post. This is why the Chinese carrier sports new sensors, weaponry, internal configuration, and why the Type 001A carrier also happens to have a new island.

The Type 001A is about as much of a "copy" of the Kuznetsov as the Vikramaditya is of the Kiev.

It was towed to China with the engines. The engines were sealed.

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Contrary to initial reports that the ship had no engines, Xu reported that all four original engines remained intact at the time of purchase, but had been shut down and preserved in grease seals. A refit restored them to working order in 2011.

As for the blueprints why wouldn't the Ukrainians sell them. They practically sold EVERYTHING to China. The SU33 prototype, the arrestor, the blueprints for the carrier training center, the Zubr etc

That's interesting; if true, then the age & perhaps obsolescence of the Soviet engines could've been reasons why the vessel had a low top speed of 20 knots. Nevertheless, the sale of engines doesn't detract from the fact that the Chinese essentially had to modify & refurbish the entirety of the carrier's interior.

I would take this with a grain of salt, given that the information is coming from one single individual.

 

[Oldman1]

The only realistic way to keep US Navy out without firing a single shot is to ignore it while continue build our artificial islands as what China is doing now, when US Navy see China is undeterred and become a burden for American tax payers to keep pay US huge armada patrolling at SCS then US navy be least likely to come. One key word to deal with US navy in SCS : 耗

Been in SCS for many decades, wouldn't matter that you continue to build more. Even just sending one ship is enough to cause you to have a frenzy.

China will match the US naval power in SCS in 10 yrs. 10 from now China economy will surpass the US, China will have more battle ships, submarines, fight jets patrol the SCS in comparison to the US naval force. All the military grade artificial island can easily turn into the heavy fortify military naval base.

Sure buddy.

 

[shadows888]

Been in SCS for many decades, wouldn't matter that you continue to build more. Even just sending one ship is enough to cause you to have a frenzy.



Sure buddy.

lol chinese are so scared now.

 

[Oldman1]

lol chinese are so scared now.

Yep, enough just sending one ship like I've said before near your artificial islands. You guys go gaga over that.

 

[phancong]

Been in SCS for many decades, wouldn't matter that you continue to build more. Even just sending one ship is enough to cause you to have a frenzy.



Sure buddy.

Caused Chinese government make sure it will happen.