CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Oldman1]

Caused Chinese government make sure it will happen.

Of course.

 

[phancong]

Yep, enough just sending one ship like I've said before near your artificial islands. You guys go gaga over that.

Need not worry in the near future China naval force will escort US carrier to ensure US navy the safe passage through the SCS.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Been in SCS for many decades, wouldn't matter that you continue to build more. Even just sending one ship is enough to cause you to have a frenzy.
Sure buddy.

If you come for first time, we might feel uncomfortable but when US navy came so often, we get use with it, so I don't see anything frenzy, the more US navy come the stronger Chinese Navy presence in SCS... good deal.

The only way is to have more nukes than US and REMOVE NFU.

China need NUKE parity for sure.

 

[invader]

UPDATED : Saturday, 2 Jan 2016, 12:12AM


China’s first home-made aircraft carrier will be a copy of a Soviet-era vessel with some refinements, with the navy rushing to ramp up its combat capacity as maritime tensions rise in the region, according to analysts.

The defence ministry confirmed on Wednesday that the country’s second aircraft carrier was under construction in the port of Dalian.

It would be conventionally powered, with a standard displacement of 50,000 tonnes, and have a ski-jump flight deck, features that are very similar to those of the Liaoning, a Soviet-made vessel sold to China in 1998.

 

[Akasa]

UPDATED : Saturday, 2 Jan 2016, 12:12AM


China’s first home-made aircraft carrier will be a copy of a Soviet-era vessel with some refinements, with the navy rushing to ramp up its combat capacity as maritime tensions rise in the region, according to analysts.

The defence ministry confirmed on Wednesday that the country’s second aircraft carrier was under construction in the port of Dalian.

It would be conventionally powered, with a standard displacement of 50,000 tonnes, and have a ski-jump flight deck, features that are very similar to those of the Liaoning, a Soviet-made vessel sold to China in 1998.

For the 001A to be a "copy" would be to suggest that everything is identical across the two vessels, down to the nuts & bolts. We know this is not true and dishonest journalism at best.

Some functional differences between the Kuznetsov vs Liaoning vs Type 001A include:
- Significant changes to the island
- Removal of anti-ship & dedicated SAM launchers on Liaoning & Type 001A
- Modified deck arrangement on the Type 001A
- Installation of brand-new sensors & fire-control radars aboard the Liaoning & Type 001A
- Addition of a FL-3000N CIWS missile system & Type 1130 CIWS guns on Liaoning & Type 001A
- The steel used in the Type 001A's hull is of a different composition
- The Type 001A likely uses a new propulsion system

Both the Liaoning & Type 001A are evolutions of the Kuznetsov design, with improvements aimed at increasing the aircraft-carrying capacity, accommodating modern weaponry & electronics, and adapting the configuration to the needs of their forces.

 

[Oldman1]

Need not worry in the near future China naval force will escort US carrier to ensure US navy the safe passage through the SCS.

Wouldn't worry since its already safe for decades the U.S. Navy has patrolled there.

If you come for first time, we might feel uncomfortable but when US navy came so often, we get use with it, so I don't see anything frenzy, the more US navy come the stronger Chinese Navy present in SCS...good deal.



China need NUKE parity for sure.

You said you get use to it, but then you militarize the islands even though China says it won't be. Perhaps the presence of the U.S. warships changed your mind? Frenzy indeed!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You said you get use to it, but then you militarize the islands even though China says it won't be. Perhaps the presence of the U.S. warships changed your mind? Frenzy indeed!

Frenzy of what? that US navy will attack China? US stirred up trouble in SCS in the hope to get more allies such Philippine and Vietnam against China, but for us -> crisis is equal to opportunity, so we just sized this golden opportunity to reclaim and militarized these islands that has gone beyond US expectation, at the end US got empty handed: Vietname keep silent while Duterte give middle finger to US but China gain an control of SCS without fire a single shot.

 

[Bhupendra Singh_Cyan]

Beside piss contest, we don't under estimate India's ability to complete INS Vikrant soon, Indian carrier experience is also an inspiration for China too.

Chinese ability to do a work is mind boggling and should be taken as an inspiration rather than dick measuring, few people really don't understand thi though

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Chinese ability to do a work is mind boggling and should be taken as an inspiration rather than dick measuring, few people really don't understand thi though

Not to show any disrespect but I have a lot of dick measuring with most of Indian members here with exception of few that I refrain myself not to upset them.

 

[Nan Yang]

The Chinese modified the Kuznetsov design by the exact measures mentioned in the above post. This is why the Chinese carrier sports new sensors, weaponry, internal configuration, and why the Type 001A carrier also happens to have a new island.

The Type 001A is about as much of a "copy" of the Kuznetsov as the Vikramaditya is of the Kiev.



That's interesting; if true, then the age & perhaps obsolescence of the Soviet engines could've been reasons why the vessel had a low top speed of 20 knots. Nevertheless, the sale of engines doesn't detract from the fact that the Chinese essentially had to modify & refurbish the entirety of the carrier's interior.

I would take this with a grain of salt, given that the information is coming from one single individual.

Yes the engines are old tech but the Russian carrier which is older could do 32 knots. Pictures already came out showing the old tech engine and one major changes on the new Chinese carrier was about the new more automated engine. If only you have been following the 001A news.

And there is a lot more about how the Chinese negotiate the carrier and the blueprints. It's full of twists and turns. You could make a good movie out of it.

 

[Bhupendra Singh_Cyan]

Not to show any disrespect but I have a lot of dick measuring with most of Indian members here with exception of few that I refrain myself not to upset them.

It's a give and take process though


Everyone comes on this forum to show their frustration till I've seen.
Senior members also behave like kids lol.
Nothing you can do about
Nobody is going to war though, arent fool enough or living in 10th century

 

[Dungeness]

It's starting now!

 

[grey boy 2]

Sea water draining into the dry dock begun at 9am

 

[grey boy 2]

The improvement of 001A (CV-17) compared to 001 (CV-16)

 

[monitor]

According to fyjs, dry dock flooding started at 9: 00 AM

Dry dock flooding for CV 001A