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The best strategy to counter CBG is by deploying silent submarines + destroyers.

China should better go with numerous combination of submersible arsenal (equipped with 300 VLM) + Type 055 + type 095, it will be lethal to super carriers.
Correct. Plus those A2/AD missiles incl the HGV ones, and the air-launched ones, much cheaper and quickly readied asymmetrical cure of the CVBG diseases around the waters in the West Pacific. Of course the Chinese should keep on building their own CVBG fleet to the peer level. But admittedly it will take some more years even a decade plus to arrive at the comparable CV things.
 
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The bulbous bow has totally submerged under water and a lot of wooden boxes onboard.

It seems the sea trials of the new aircraft carrier 002 CV-17 will be carried out as per schedule, on around 23 April 2018, the 69th Anniversary of the founding of Chinese Navy, as already tipped off by a couple major media, the South China Morning Post roughly one month ago or so, followed later by the Global Times, at least I read that prediction in these two media.

Awaiting with great excitement :-)
 
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To be honest, I'm happy to see sea trials of the new aircraft carrier CV-17 soon. By it's still just a slightly improved version of aircraft carrier CV-16 Liaoning with ski-jump takeoff system and no carrier capable tactical airborne early warning aircraft.

The day I'm going to be awaiting with great excitement is when 003 finally show up. That will be truely a game changer for China as far as her ability of projecting power around the global. I'm more interested in 055 DDG news than CV-17 news now a days. Ships like 055 and 003 are the future. CV-16 and CV-17 both are more like training ships for China.
 
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To be honest, I'm happy to see sea trials of the new aircraft carrier CV-17 soon. By it's still just a slightly improved version of aircraft carrier CV-16 Liaoning with ski-jump takeoff system and no carrier capable tactical airborne early warning aircraft.

The day I'm going to be awaiting with great excitement is when 003 finally show up. That will be truely a game changer for China as far as her ability of projecting power around the global. I'm more interested in 055 DDG news than CV-17 news now a days. Ships like 055 and 003 are the future. CV-16 and CV-17 both are more like training ships for China.

I know it suck without AWAC plane for CV-16 and CV-17, for less threatening adversaries both AC should be good enough to handles them even with Helo warning. I think these two will be the last of it kinds in PLAN, nevertheless they have set the basic foundation for Chinese future carrier development.
 
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23/04 8am - 26/04 8am :D:D

Just saw these pics at the prof forum, SDF, without the proper credits being given to @cirr and PDF. I don't like this kind of practice employed by some PDF members who are also members there, either with the explicit same user IDs or using different IDs. As a free reader there I have been noticing this copy & paste of both pictures and info posted here to there without due credits being given done by several figures there. I hope this kind of practice will be amended/abolished! It's especially of great irony when that forum, SDF, is repeatedly emphasizing its prof stature, and why it's different from the rest, incl the so-called fan-boy club, PDF :-)
 
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Just saw these pics at the prof forum, SDF, without the proper credits being given to @cirr and PDF. I don't like this kind of practice employed by some PDF members who are also members there, either with the explicit same user IDs or using different IDs. As a free reader there I have been noticing this copy & paste of both pictures and info posted here to there without due credits being given done by several figures there. I hope this kind of practice will be amended/abolished! It's especially of great irony when that forum, SDF, is repeatedly emphasizing its prof stature, and why it's different from the rest, incl the so-called fan-boy club, PDF :-)

I know you hint to my repost at the SDF and if these are indeed @cirr's images you are correct and I must apologize. However otherwise I have a problem to accept that "friendly reminder" - or you need to expand your post in the other direction as well - since it's not only me who's posting, re-posting and re-re-posting images he (or she) finds at any certain forum but other members as well.

So again: Is Cirr the photographer, then you are correct, if he's not, so why should I or anyone else quote or give credit to him?

And if I'm not entirely wrong, then @cirr should have also given credit to "wenweipo.com", which is written on the bottom of that image.

Deino
 
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I know you hint to my repost at the SDF and if these are indeed @cirr's images you are correct and I must apologize. However otherwise I have a problem to accept that "friendly reminder" - or you need to expand your post in the other direction as well - since it's not only me who's posting, re-posting and re-re-posting images he (or she) finds at any certain forum but other members as well.

So again: Is Cirr the photographer, then you are correct, if he's not, so why should I or anyone else quote or give credit to him?

And if I'm not entirely wrong, then @cirr should have also given credit to "wenweipo.com", which is written on the bottom of that image.

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Deino, first of all, I really don't specifically target you in person, though I take it a case here since it's just hotly baked. You're a figure that I have personal respect for the balanced view, neutral, not carrying those negative insinuation/BIAS/sour grape — a genuine German character!! Sorry, I take it from the top figure (call it a tiger) as a notice to those less notable figures, to drop such practices. Again, nope, I don't specifically target you in person! I just feel annoyed to see such practices that have been occurring for some time. There are many cases happened.

IMO, @cirr or any other who posted it here as the secondary/3rd or even the 4th source, still entitled to the credit, as well as the hosting board, PDF, since the original sources incl the photographers, clearly don't interact here or in the SDF. Admit it, Without the second source we all won't get know to the posted info. For example, How many here read WENWEIPO regularly to be aware of such info. My apology if you feel that I unjustifiably targeted you as the victim. But I remain stick to my core messages that credit should be given to the 2nd source and PDF that hosting such info. And I have been observing, due to the "political nature", the kinds of core/active members who shape the two forums, PDF Chinese Column and SDF are different significantly. Not so many members from Chinese Mainland in the SDF, thus hot info reaches PDF faster, a natural thing since it's all about the Chinese Military. A significant different nature between the two. Of course I detest the fan-boy stamping on PDF that SDF proudly, repeatedly hyping. That's what I call a great irony!

WENWEIPO — http://news.wenweipo.com/2018/04/20/IN1804200055.htm
 
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Deino, first of all, I really don't specifically target you in person, though I take it a case here since it's just hotly baked. You're a figure that I have personal respect for the balanced view, neutral, not carrying those negative insinuation/BIAS/sour grape — a genuine German character!! Sorry, I take it from the top figure (call it a tiger) as a notice to those less notable figures, to drop such practices. Again, nope, I don't specifically target you in person! I just feel annoyed to see such practices that have been occurring for some time. There are many cases happened.

IMO, @cirr or any other who posted it here as the secondary/3rd or even the 4th source, still entitled to the credit, as well as the hosting board, PDF, since the original sources incl the photographers, clearly don't interact here or in the SDF. Admit it, Without the second source we all won't get know to the posted info. For example, How many here read WENWEIPO regularly to be aware of such info. My apology if you feel that I unjustifiably targeted you as the victim. But I remain stick to my core messages that credit should be given to the 2nd source and PDF that hosting such info. And I have been observing, due to the "political nature", the kinds of core/active members who shape the two forums, PDF Chinese Column and SDF are different significantly. Not so many members from Chinese Mainland in the SDF, thus hot info reaches PDF faster, a natural thing since it's all about the Chinese Military. A significant different nature between the two. Of course I detest the fan-boy stamping on PDF that SDF proudly, repeatedly hyping. That's what I call a great irony!

WENWEIPO — http://news.wenweipo.com/2018/04/20/IN1804200055.htm


Then I must indeed apologise for my unjustified and maybe too harsh reply. :(
 
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wait and see if it is true or not

Han Hai Langshan: news! 002 basically determine the 23 to 26 day test! No navigation area has been released!

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f54ff2b0102xz85.html




There are important events, push forward today!

From deep nights on April 20 2018 to April 21 morning, 002 lights were on, and the lights were brightly lit all night. Obviously it is working overtime and finishing the test before the trial.

In the afternoon of April 20, all outfitting ventilation pipes had been completely removed. The bar above the main control room of the ship island has also been removed. At present, all the 002 aircraft carriers have nothing to do with trial ships. They are being cleaned up quickly.

2, in the afternoon of April 20th, a large amount of smoke was emitted from the aircraft carrier chimney, which was larger than all the previous fires. The author judged that this is the real start of the 002 main fuel boiler system! In the past few months, the main engine was diesel auxiliaries. The smog is obviously not as big as this time.

In the case of full fire of the main fuel boiler, the last and most important work before the trial - the blow - pipe operation of the steam system should be carried out in the next 48 hours.

3, 20 afternoon, a large number of drainage from anchor hole position. The author studies this is to exclude the last batch of barn ballast water, or the accumulation of water in the balance tank, to add a large amount of oil and fresh water to the internal weight of the air before the test. At present, the normal drainage volume of the 002 aircraft carrier should be about one meter or more, and 10 thousand tons of fuel and fresh water should be injected again. During the first trial voyage, there was no weight of carrier aircraft, aviation fuel and ammunition, so it would not reach full line.

4, look at the deck surface on the afternoon of 20, all of which originally opened the ammunition elevator for transporting materials to the lower level cabin. At present, the surface cover has been completely closed. This shows that the transportation of main life materials to the cabin has ended. The log packing box before and after the flight deck is much less, and the rest of the boxes are clearly left empty, and it is estimated that the deck will be cleared out tonight!

5, we can see that several shipyard working teams are cleaning the surface of the aircraft carrier with high pressure water guns in the subarea, including cleaning the ship's island with a basket.

It is possible to thoroughly wash the parts above the waterline before sailing, indicating that the shipyard wishes to dress up 002 and go out to catch up. It also shows that, although the outfitting a large aircraft carrier in one year, the Dalian ship is in good control of the overall progress, and the closer the final trial date is, the less the time the time of the work is going to be.

There is still time and manpower to clean the aircraft carrier thoroughly. It is simply "leisurely and carefree". Because the surface of the hull is a bit rusty and dusty, it will not affect the first trial voyage. These things can be done again after docking. You know, the first trial voyage of the Liaoning ship, but even the container board room had not been evacuated, and rushed out to sea. Now 002 before the first time to sea, the dress is so neat and responsive that it reflects the overall completion degree, far exceeding the Liaoning ship of the same period.
6, the top right-hand corner of the ship's skating deck, which had been processed on the first few days, had not been expanded. In my opinion, it is also the case that the shipyard is not tense in the whole period of work, and it has been experimentation with a small surface, only as a project test. The final refinement of the flight deck has nothing to do with the first trial subject to start. This job is what we will do again after docking. It is not that the project has not been completed before the first trial.

Some people also said that the ship would not have tried the boat without the port number. In fact, it was the last action before the official service.

7, the proclamation of ban on navigation issued by the maritime bureau is actually two, one from 20 to 26, one from 23 to 27, and a coordinate frame published in two different waters from several hundred kilometers.

The first location is actually from Dalian Port to the north half of the old iron mountain channel, which belongs to the junction of Huang Bohai. The other is in the inner sea of Bohai, near the sea of Qinhuangdao.

The forbidden area in Bohai is larger, basically square, with a single length of about 90 kilometers, and the total area of the forbidden sea area is 8000 square kilometers.

From Dalian Port to the old iron hill waterway, from the 20 day on the prohibition of navigation, obviously in advance clearance, so that 002 can go from the north the Yellow Sea smoothly into the main test area of the Bohai inland sea. The location of Qinhuangdao's outer sea is more confidential, and it is not on the main channel of major ports.

8, it is doubted whether the two pilot areas are definitely related to the 002 trial voyage. Are there any other military operations or exercises? In fact, if there are military exercises, they usually carry two rounds of live ammunition. No two rounds of live ammunition, only military activities related to the ship. At present, the situation on the peninsula is rapidly easing. We have no need for large-scale exercise in yellow Bohai. And there is no need to announce two airways at the same time.

Others have speculated that the forbidden area of Lao Tie Shan is also related to the submarine operation. The water depth of the old iron mountain channel is more than 70 meters. Indeed, submarine exercises and even launching tests can be carried out. But the maximum depth of Bohai's restricted navigation area is only about 25 meters. Large submarines can't have big movements, so they should not be related to submarine training.

9, the forbidden area in the inland sea of Bohai is roughly the same as the initial trial voyage of the Liaoning ship. The 8000 square kilometers of the sea, has become a domestic carrier training "fixed elliptical playground", running a circle of about 360 kilometers, equal to 200 nautical miles, if a continuous run of 5 laps, it is equal to the high strength test of 1000 sea!

Can be fast and slow speed running, can also take over 30 knots of high speed, running hundreds of miles, equal to the domestic aircraft carrier power system, do a strict and comprehensive physical examination test!

Here, I wish the first trial voyage of the Shandong ship to a complete success.


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In April 21st, People's Republic of China Liaoning maritime bureau website news, the Liaoning Maritime Bureau issued a circular announcement, in from April 20th to 28th part of the sea area to carry out military tasks, the following:

Navigation warning:

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Northern the Yellow Sea, Bohai Strait, from 1600 to 27 April 20th, 1600 hours.

1.38 degree 51 '41 "N 121 degree 38' 12" E
2.38 degree 34 '12 "N 121 degree 38' 12" E

3.38 degree 33 '55 "N 121 degree 07' 51" E

4.38 degree 48 '13 "N 121 degree 14' 03" E

The execution of military tasks within the range of links. No Entry。

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Bohai, from 0800 to 26 April 23rd, at 0800.

1.39 degree 57.9 'N 119 degree 53.8' E

2.39 degree 57.9 'N 120 degree 41.9' E

3.39 degree 11.6 'N 120 degree 27.3' E

4.39 degree 11.6 'N 119 degree 39.4' E

The execution of military tasks within the range of links. No Entry。

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In northern Bohai, in from April 23rd to 28th, from 0800 to 1700 o'clock daily, military tasks were carried out in the following connected waters:

A: 40 degree 37 '00 "N 121 degree 05' 00" E

B: 40 degree 37 '00 "N 121 degree 20' 00" E

C: 40 degree 28 '00 "N 121 degree 20' 00" E

D: 40 degree 28 '00 "N 121 degree 05' 00" E

No vessel is allowed to enter the area during the above time period.
 
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