CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

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[Zhukov]

Why people always make this vital strategic mistake when discussing USA vs China?
Its not simple USA vs China. Take into Account these Countless US Colonies as well. Britain, France, Japan, Germany, South Korea, Australia, Canada and Israel. And even Some Independent Countries like Turkey and India are In the same line with USA.
Combine them together and then see where China Stands against their combined Economic Might. While China have no meaningful Allies. Pakistan and North Korea Don't even Count in big boys league and Russia have its own interests and by no means its an ally to china.
Study the Cold War Era, Soviet Union had so many Stalwart Allies through out the world when it used to challenge the West. The whole Eastern Block Countries of Eastern Europe East Germany,Poland,Czechoslovakia,Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, Afghanistan, India, Algeria,Yemen, Mongolia And so on.
and China Itself don't claim to challenge US. It knows very well that China is on the Rise and US is in big Mess. Just keep this trend Until you have such Powerful Alliances both Militarily and Economical, USA will eventually Die under its own weight if it continues its current Bully Policies.
China should open up to Europe, Sort a peaceful solution to Korea and Taiwan, Influence Japan, i.e get the Pacific in its gasp first.
Then Move on to Middle East with its massive Infrastructure Development Potential.
And Latin America and Africa.
Best of Luck PRC

 

[atan651]

Why people always make this vital strategic mistake when discussing USA vs China?
Its not simple USA vs China. Take into Account these Countless US Colonies as well. Britain, France, Japan, Germany, South Korea, Australia, Canada and Israel. And even Some Independent Countries like Turkey and India are In the same line with USA.
Combine them together and then see where China Stands against their combined Economic Might. While China have no meaningful Allies. Pakistan and North Korea Don't even Count in big boys league and Russia have its own interests and by no means its an ally to china.
Study the Cold War Era, Soviet Union had so many Stalwart Allies through out the world when it used to challenge the West. The whole Eastern Block Countries of Eastern Europe East Germany,Poland,Czechoslovakia,Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, Afghanistan, India, Algeria,Yemen, Mongolia And so on.
and China Itself don't claim to challenge US. It knows very well that China is on the Rise and US is in big Mess. Just keep this trend Until you have such Powerful Alliances both Militarily and Economical, USA will eventually Die under its own weight if it continues its current Bully Policies.
China should open up to Europe, Sort a peaceful solution to Korea and Taiwan, Influence Japan, i.e get the Pacific in its gasp first.
Then Move on to Middle East with its massive Infrastructure Development Potential.
And Latin America and Africa.

Best of Luck PRC

China only seeks a peaceful rise as it develops its economy and brings abt a better living to its people. You must understand that it is the USA who is imposing its will on China. China is only reacting to US's bullying. The US is bent on destroying China's rise at all cost! In such as case what do you expect China to do? Sit back and let the US kicks China around like they did centuries ago?

 

[Zhukov]

China only seeks a peaceful rise as it develops its economy and brings abt a better living to its people. You must understand that it is the USA who is imposing its will on China. China is only reacting to US's bullying. The US is bent on destroying China's rise at all cost! In such as case what do you expect China to do? Sit back and let the US kicks China around like they did centuries ago?

Play it smart, Avoid the conflict as much as possible. Let US drown in its own mess it have created. Break US monopoly on Software Market.
Us is itching to start more and more conflicts to assert its status. And also Assert it while it can and its powerful enough with Western nations still under its leash. Past 10 years from now and things will be drastically different. Just play calm and don't catch the bait. I would say empower the Anti-US Countries and push USA into deeper Shit. thats the smartest choice instead of a direct confrontation.
Invest in Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela. Get closer to neutral countries like South Africa, Brazil. Etc for short run

 

[Deino]

wait and see if it is true or not

Han Hai Langshan: news! 002 basically determine the 23 to 26 day test! No navigation area has been released!

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5f54ff2b0102xz85.html




There are important events, push forward today!

From deep nights on April 20 2018 to April 21 morning, 002 lights were on, and the lights were brightly lit all night. Obviously it is working overtime and finishing the test before the trial.

In the afternoon of April 20, all outfitting ventilation pipes had been completely removed. The bar above the main control room of the ship island has also been removed. At present, all the 002 aircraft carriers have nothing to do with trial ships. They are being cleaned up quickly.

2, in the afternoon of April 20th, a large amount of smoke was emitted from the aircraft carrier chimney, which was larger than all the previous fires. The author judged that this is the real start of the 002 main fuel boiler system! In the past few months, the main engine was diesel auxiliaries. The smog is obviously not as big as this time.

In the case of full fire of the main fuel boiler, the last and most important work before the trial - the blow - pipe operation of the steam system should be carried out in the next 48 hours.

3, 20 afternoon, a large number of drainage from anchor hole position. The author studies this is to exclude the last batch of barn ballast water, or the accumulation of water in the balance tank, to add a large amount of oil and fresh water to the internal weight of the air before the test. At present, the normal drainage volume of the 002 aircraft carrier should be about one meter or more, and 10 thousand tons of fuel and fresh water should be injected again. During the first trial voyage, there was no weight of carrier aircraft, aviation fuel and ammunition, so it would not reach full line.

4, look at the deck surface on the afternoon of 20, all of which originally opened the ammunition elevator for transporting materials to the lower level cabin. At present, the surface cover has been completely closed. This shows that the transportation of main life materials to the cabin has ended. The log packing box before and after the flight deck is much less, and the rest of the boxes are clearly left empty, and it is estimated that the deck will be cleared out tonight!

5, we can see that several shipyard working teams are cleaning the surface of the aircraft carrier with high pressure water guns in the subarea, including cleaning the ship's island with a basket.

It is possible to thoroughly wash the parts above the waterline before sailing, indicating that the shipyard wishes to dress up 002 and go out to catch up. It also shows that, although the outfitting a large aircraft carrier in one year, the Dalian ship is in good control of the overall progress, and the closer the final trial date is, the less the time the time of the work is going to be.

There is still time and manpower to clean the aircraft carrier thoroughly. It is simply "leisurely and carefree". Because the surface of the hull is a bit rusty and dusty, it will not affect the first trial voyage. These things can be done again after docking. You know, the first trial voyage of the Liaoning ship, but even the container board room had not been evacuated, and rushed out to sea. Now 002 before the first time to sea, the dress is so neat and responsive that it reflects the overall completion degree, far exceeding the Liaoning ship of the same period.
6, the top right-hand corner of the ship's skating deck, which had been processed on the first few days, had not been expanded. In my opinion, it is also the case that the shipyard is not tense in the whole period of work, and it has been experimentation with a small surface, only as a project test. The final refinement of the flight deck has nothing to do with the first trial subject to start. This job is what we will do again after docking. It is not that the project has not been completed before the first trial.

Some people also said that the ship would not have tried the boat without the port number. In fact, it was the last action before the official service.

7, the proclamation of ban on navigation issued by the maritime bureau is actually two, one from 20 to 26, one from 23 to 27, and a coordinate frame published in two different waters from several hundred kilometers.

The first location is actually from Dalian Port to the north half of the old iron mountain channel, which belongs to the junction of Huang Bohai. The other is in the inner sea of Bohai, near the sea of Qinhuangdao.

The forbidden area in Bohai is larger, basically square, with a single length of about 90 kilometers, and the total area of the forbidden sea area is 8000 square kilometers.

From Dalian Port to the old iron hill waterway, from the 20 day on the prohibition of navigation, obviously in advance clearance, so that 002 can go from the north the Yellow Sea smoothly into the main test area of the Bohai inland sea. The location of Qinhuangdao's outer sea is more confidential, and it is not on the main channel of major ports.

8, it is doubted whether the two pilot areas are definitely related to the 002 trial voyage. Are there any other military operations or exercises? In fact, if there are military exercises, they usually carry two rounds of live ammunition. No two rounds of live ammunition, only military activities related to the ship. At present, the situation on the peninsula is rapidly easing. We have no need for large-scale exercise in yellow Bohai. And there is no need to announce two airways at the same time.

Others have speculated that the forbidden area of Lao Tie Shan is also related to the submarine operation. The water depth of the old iron mountain channel is more than 70 meters. Indeed, submarine exercises and even launching tests can be carried out. But the maximum depth of Bohai's restricted navigation area is only about 25 meters. Large submarines can't have big movements, so they should not be related to submarine training.

9, the forbidden area in the inland sea of Bohai is roughly the same as the initial trial voyage of the Liaoning ship. The 8000 square kilometers of the sea, has become a domestic carrier training "fixed elliptical playground", running a circle of about 360 kilometers, equal to 200 nautical miles, if a continuous run of 5 laps, it is equal to the high strength test of 1000 sea!

Can be fast and slow speed running, can also take over 30 knots of high speed, running hundreds of miles, equal to the domestic aircraft carrier power system, do a strict and comprehensive physical examination test!

Here, I wish the first trial voyage of the Shandong ship to a complete success.


NOTE:
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In April 21st, People's Republic of China Liaoning maritime bureau website news, the Liaoning Maritime Bureau issued a circular announcement, in from April 20th to 28th part of the sea area to carry out military tasks, the following:

Navigation warning:

Liaohang police 0081
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Northern the Yellow Sea, Bohai Strait, from 1600 to 27 April 20th, 1600 hours.

1.38 degree 51 '41 "N 121 degree 38' 12" E
2.38 degree 34 '12 "N 121 degree 38' 12" E

3.38 degree 33 '55 "N 121 degree 07' 51" E

4.38 degree 48 '13 "N 121 degree 14' 03" E

The execution of military tasks within the range of links. No Entry。

Liaohang police 0082

Bohai, from 0800 to 26 April 23rd, at 0800.

1.39 degree 57.9 'N 119 degree 53.8' E

2.39 degree 57.9 'N 120 degree 41.9' E

3.39 degree 11.6 'N 120 degree 27.3' E

4.39 degree 11.6 'N 119 degree 39.4' E

The execution of military tasks within the range of links. No Entry。

Liaohang police 0083

In northern Bohai, in from April 23rd to 28th, from 0800 to 1700 o'clock daily, military tasks were carried out in the following connected waters:

A: 40 degree 37 '00 "N 121 degree 05' 00" E

B: 40 degree 37 '00 "N 121 degree 20' 00" E

C: 40 degree 28 '00 "N 121 degree 20' 00" E

D: 40 degree 28 '00 "N 121 degree 05' 00" E

No vessel is allowed to enter the area during the above time period.

Thanks a lot ... by the way, can anyone provide the link of this "navigation warning"?

Thanks in advance,
Deino

 

[gambit]

I would say empower the Anti-US Countries and push USA into deeper Shit. thats the smartest choice instead of a direct confrontation.

You should read the news more instead of giving useless and clueless advice on the Internet.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-u...end-membership-of-anti-u-s-bloc-idUKKBN1HR2P4

BRASILIA (Reuters) - Half of the nations belonging to Unasur, a South American bloc set up a decade ago to counter U.S. sway in the region, have decided to suspend their membership, a Brazilian official told Reuters on Friday.

That news is barely one day old. These anti-US countries are deeper in the shits of their own creation than whatever their feeble alliance can do to US.

Invest in Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela. Get closer to neutral countries like South Africa, Brazil. Etc for short run

All loser countries.

 

[lcloo]

This is unusual!!! Lots of cranes... and less wooden crates of furniture on deck. Though the long radio antenas not yet fitted.

 

[clarkgap]

Thanks a lot ... by the way, can anyone provide the link of this "navigation warning"?

Thanks in advance,
Deino

But huahua and many people indicate the aircraft carrier will not be tested in April. It is only a normal military exercise.

 

[yusheng]

Thanks a lot ... by the way, can anyone provide the link of this "navigation warning"?

Thanks in advance,
Deino

you can find the warning in MSA of PRC, or MSA of liaoning Province

http://www.msa.gov.cn/html/xinxichaxungongkai/index.html?id=9C219298-B27F-460E-995A-99401B3FF6AF

中华人民共和国辽宁海事局
辽航警0081 0082 0083
http://www.lnmsa.gov.cn/List_HangXingJingGao.aspx

 

[UserUnknown2025]

you can find the warning in MAS PRC, or MAS of liaoning Province

http://www.msa.gov.cn/html/xinxichaxungongkai/index.html?id=9C219298-B27F-460E-995A-99401B3FF6AF
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中华人民共和国辽宁海事局
辽航警0081 0082 0083
http://www.lnmsa.gov.cn/List_HangXingJingGao.aspx
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Is this merely an exercise or is CV17 actually going for sea trial?

 

[yusheng]

Is this merely an exercise or is CV17 actually going for sea trial?

i don't know, i think it should be multple use; someone says there are some new submarine will be in trial testing at the same time since one of the testing area is very near the Chinese submarine factory.

 

[帅的一匹]

US is about to put 60% of their military force in Pacific to counter China, combine with Japanese Navy, it's pretty challenge for China as task, 6 or 7 carriers wouldn't be enough, in the critical moment US can reinforce with more force and more aircraft carriers to Pacific. it's laughable if China can handle the situation with 10 AC.

China need at less 3 AC for northern Eastern fleet, 2 on Taiwan, 2 for SCS, 2 for training, 2 for repair/maintenance, I would say 11 minimum.

9 at least

 

[JSCh]

Today, from weibo.
Sometimes it rain.

 

[yusheng]

this morning,
is ready to move
chinese on the picture:
wish motherland build PALN the first class in the world！

live:6 tugboats are in place

 

[GumNaam]

China's 2nd ACC ready and coming soon, China's 3rd ACC with catapult launch (maybe even a magnetic one). Still got a ways to go though brothers, us navy has 19 ACCs.