Crucial Indian Cruise Missile Tests In A Year.

[Trichy]

For this kind of anti cruise missile you need to test that in atleast half of the speed first. Oh first develope any at that stage atleast for your tests. Then if it is done then tell that we do else just

 

[Hulk]

Some people are living in dellusioned world that they have unlimited stock of missiles. The fact is India stock is not huge and Pakistan's might be even less.

 

[SpArK]

Cruise missile Nirbhay will be ready in 2012​

The country’s first indigenous subsonic cruise missile, Nirbhay (Fearless), will be ready early next year.

“The integration of the engine is under way. All processes are on for the sub-sonic medium-range cruise missile,” said Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) chief VK Saraswat at the air show.

The missile with a range of 1,000km can be launched from multiple launchers. It will arm all the three services.Nirbhay is expected to supplement the BrahMos cruise missile, which has a range of 300km.

About the hypersonic cruise missile, a more advanced version of the BrahMos, Dr Saraswat said it also would be ready by 2012. A successful test of the technology of the missile was carried out in a laboratory in May 2008 at a speed of 6.5 Mach. The hypersonic demonstrator vehicle will attain a level flight, for a ground-to-ground test, at a height of 30 km from the ground, before it hits the target with a speed between seven and eight Mach.

The hypersonic missile BrahMos-2 will be the Mach 8 version of the missile. It will be the country’s first hypersonic cruise missile. It is an advanced version of the present air-launched missile.

DRDO and NPO-Mash are working on a sustained flight scramjet, which will be the core element in the Mark-2 version of BrahMos.

About the ballistic missile defence shield, Dr Saraswat said that the next advanced air defence test (AAD) will take place this month.

The ballistic missile defence shield test had failed on March 15, 2010 but was test-fired successfully later.

The exo-atmospheric interceptor missile, called PAD (Prithvi Air Defence), will now be called PDV (Prithvi Defence Vehicle), and will intercept at 150km altitude compared to the earlier 50km range.

“All elements of aerospace are within our grip and India would soon be an aerospace power,” Saraswat said.

The nuclear-capable strategic Agni-V, with a range of 5,000km, will be tested by the end of this year. The software and hardware of the missile are in the integration stage.

Aero India 2011: Cruise missile Nirbhay will be ready in 2012 - India - DNA

 

[ganimi kawa]

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@ Sohni dharti,

Can you please elaborate the sequence by which a single brahmos will be detected, tracked and intercepted all through Infrared spectrum? I think there are a few discrepancies in your theory which I may be able to point out.

I just want to know what your concepts are about cruise missile interception, especially with IR seekers, so that we can discuss clearly.

 

[Developereo]

Some people are living in dellusioned world that they have unlimited stock of missiles. The fact is India stock is not huge and Pakistan's might be even less.

A short-range, subsonic, heat-seeking interceptor is a whole lot cheaper than a hypersonic, stealth cruise missile.

 

[Skull and Bones]

A short-range, subsonic, heat-seeking interceptor is a whole lot cheaper than a hypersonic, stealth cruise missile.

So a short-range, subsonic, heat-seeking interceptor will successfully intercept a hypersonic, stealth cruise missile.
Time for someone to do his/her homework.
For some, billions of dollar in R&D is nothing in front of their weird logic and sheer sense of patriotism.

 

[Developereo]

Please read the thread before commenting. It's all there.

 

[ganimi kawa]

Please read the thread before commenting. It's all there.

I have read it and it was haphazard, full of inaccuracies and random assumptions.

So, I'm giving you a chance to crystallize your thoughts, do some background research if you want and come back with a single post. Explaining why you think brahmos can be intercepted so easily by few cheap, subsonic, IR guided missiles?


In fact, I don't know any Subsonic missile used for Missile defence role anywhere in the world! Perhaps you might want to explain that!


P.S. You started by stating "Brahmos is a dud!" ; do keep that in mind!

 

[Developereo]

I have read it and it was haphazard, full of inaccuracies and random assumptions.

The procedure is all there, in a single post on page two.

The point is that the interceptor does not have to be supersonic; even a subsonic interceptor will do (hint: pythagoras).

The BrahMos was dismissed as a potent threat by the STARTFOR article.

Do you guys really think the US doesn't have the technology to match BrahMos?
Why do you suppose they haven't bothered?

The reason is quite simple:
A slower cruise missile has more stealth and manoeuvaribility.
A really fast hypersonic missile (mach 20) is worth building but no country has the materials science technology for the required missile body.
In the middle is the dud zone, where BrahMos lives.

 

[Kinetic]

A short-range, subsonic, heat-seeking interceptor is a whole lot cheaper than a hypersonic, stealth cruise missile.

Why are you saying same thing again and again without specifying which missile will do that? Subsonic interceptor!!! lol Ten 'short range, subsonic, heat seeking interceptor' can't stop a 'hypersonic, stealth cruise missile'!!! Almost every country going for point defence systems is either active radar seeker or command guidance.

 

[Skull and Bones]

This is what your Startfor article says

The BrahMos, a new supersonic anti-ship missile developed by an Indian-Russian venture, appears poised for widespread proliferation — possibly replacing the subsonic U.S.-made Harpoon and French-made Exocet as the world’s anti-ship weapon of choice. This development would fundamentally alter the maritime threat environment, putting technology that formerly was the sole purview of the Soviet Union in the hands of a wide array of potential buyers.

Analysis
The supersonic BrahMos anti-ship missile is being prepared for its first test-launch from a submarine, which could take place later this month. Already a well-tested design, the compact and versatile BrahMos also appears to have an export market waiting for it. Though the missile’s true potential remains to be seen, it seems poised to achieve widespread proliferation.

Taking its name from a juxtaposition of the names of the Indian Brahmaputra and Russian Moscow rivers, BrahMos Aerospace Private Ltd. began as an Indian-Russian venture in 1998. However, the design work on the BrahMos missile can be traced to the Soviet Union in 1985 — the fledgling SS-N-26, on which the BrahMos is based, had already been through substantial testing by the time the company was formed. From the beginning of the joint venture, the export market has been part of the BrahMos’ future.

The world anti-ship missile market has been dominated since the 1970s by the French Exocet and the U.S. Harpoon. Compared to their predecessors, these missiles were compact and versatile. It was easy to find room on the deck of a ship for a few launcher canisters. They flew close to Mach 1 and, after a couple of design evolutions, were capable of being launched out of torpedo tubes or from aircraft. They quickly became the global standard, either through export sales or through widespread copying of the basic design.


Exocets were used in combat in 1982 in the Falkland Islands war, sinking the HMS Sheffield and another ship (a third was damaged). Five years later, the USS Stark was struck by an Exocet fired from an Iraqi Mirage F-1 fighter (although the U.S. frigate survived). Eventually the Exocet (and other missiles based on the same design) grew from a first-class naval weapon, which it remains, into a tool of nonstate actors. In July 2006, an Iranian-supplied, Chinese-built C-802 — which, while not necessarily a direct copy, is similar to the Exocet in most significant ways — was used by Hezbollah to attack the INS Hanit off the coast of Beirut.


But despite the Exocet’s popularity, supersonic anti-ship missiles — for a long time the sole purview of the Soviet Union — are far more capable and devastating weapons. Missiles like the Soviet SS-N-19 Shipwreck and SS-N-22 Sunburn make naval planners nervous. At speeds up to Mach 3, when a supersonic sea-skimming missile appears on the horizon, response time is measured in seconds. Furthermore, at such speeds, the kinetic energy of the impact alone stands to do massive damage to a modern, thinly-armored surface combat vessel, even if the warhead fails to detonate. If the missile is destroyed at close range, debris traveling at high speed can still pepper the target, or even inflict more serious damage.

However, these weapons have proven too big and unwieldy to become truly successful export products. The Shipwreck was never exported, and China received the Sunburn only as a result of importing the Russian platform designed to carry it, the Sovremenny-class destroyer.

This is where the BrahMos comes in. Designed from the ground up as a supersonic missile, the BrahMos can approach speeds of Mach 3 — three times as fast as either the Harpoon or the Exocet. The standard BrahMos missile can carry up to a 650-pound warhead, which is heavier than the Harpoon’s payload and nearly double that of the Exocet. Touted as the “Universal Supersonic Cruise Missile” by the BrahMos joint venture, it — like the Harpoon and the Exocet before it — can be land-, surface-, sub- or air-launched and offers a substantial improvement in range from its predecessors.

Of course, the BrahMos is not perfect. The first of two major drawbacks at this point is the diameter. Unlike the Harpoon and Exocet, the BrahMos is too thick to fit into a standard 21-inch torpedo tube (or even the rarer 26-inch tubes). This means submarines will have to be modified to carry it — not a particularly cheap or attractive option. Also, the BrahMos does not come cheap — reportedly in excess of $2 million each, more than twice the cost of a Harpoon or Exocet. However, the improved capability could prove more than sufficiently compelling.

The BrahMos has already begun to be fielded on Indian naval vessels, and seems set to become a mainstay of the Indian military. Malaysia and Indonesia have also expressed interest — Malaysia is expected to sign a formal deal later this week, and reportedly plans eventually to equip its new Su-30MKM Flanker jets with the missile. The export market, it would appear, is ready for an upgrade in capability and is willing to pay the price.

It is quite telling that the first potential export customer for the BrahMos is Malaysia. In other words, the first country outside of Russia, India and China to field a supersonic anti-ship missile is not another great naval power, but a modest one. The fact that Malaysia could soon field an offensive naval capability that was once the sole purview of the Soviet Union marks a fundamental shift in the maritime threat environment — a fact that could ultimately change the playing field not just for navies, but also for worldwide shipping.


And Malaysia is only the first. Other nations from Algeria to Venezuela might find the new capability similarly enticing. Nations such as Taiwan could be just as intrigued by the availability of a supersonic cruise missile — a role that the BrahMos also can play with modified targeting and guidance — for land attacks. Ultimately, however impressive the BrahMos’ success in the export market proves to be, the genie is out of the bottle; a new generation of versatile, compact supersonic anti-ship missiles is here to stay. If the BrahMos fails to capture that market, Russia has alternative export products up its sleeve.

the inadequacies stated here are done with, and the price factor is not a problem for the Indian and Russian side

 

[graphican]

There is no point of tracking if you are not able to hit it down. As of my knowledge, we don't have means to counter its speed - YET.

The important aspect of threat from Brashmoos it is that its a threat to China as well as Pakistan.. so you know.

 

[tallboy123]

The procedure is all there, in a single post on page two.

The point is that the interceptor does not have to be supersonic; even a subsonic interceptor will do (hint: pythagoras).

The BrahMos was dismissed as a potent threat by the STARTFOR article.

Do you guys really think the US doesn't have the technology to match BrahMos?
Why do you suppose they haven't bothered?

The reason is quite simple:
A slower cruise missile has more stealth and manoeuvaribility.
A really fast hypersonic missile (mach 20) is worth building but no country has the materials science technology for the required missile body.
In the middle is the dud zone, where BrahMos lives.

funny guy..
So US is lord of technology,no one can make better technology,my foot.
Your explaination is really silly....
With subsonic missile you can hit a supersonic missile with pinpoint accuracy..
Is It reality..?
The theory you gave is possible for subsonic missiles.
It would be funny to think that a sam can destroy a missile travelling @ 1km per sec and that too from front..
get up stop watching those hollywood movies...

 

[ganimi kawa]

The procedure is all there, in a single post on page two.

Ok! That entire post is just based on a single assumption.

" Brahmos has a very high IR signature as compared to the Subsonic AShMs."


Assuming it is true (not going into details of IR suppression methods on Brahmos) , even then it does not mean that the subsonic missile will never be detected by those same IR sensors. As you must be knowing Sub sonics too have a significant IR profile (hint: jet exhaust!).

Now, you know that Brahmos is thrice as fast as other subsonics.

So, the reaction time for enemy detecting a Brahmos @ 90 km and a Subsonic @ 30 km will be equal.

Not much of an advantge, is it?


I'll answer every assumption of yours in time, meanwhile, please answer the above query!




P.S. What about giving example of a subsonic missile defence, I think almost every defence scientist in the world has read Pythagorus!

 

[Developereo]

Why are you saying same thing again and again without specifying which missile will do that? Subsonic interceptor!!! lol Ten 'short range, subsonic, heat seeking interceptor' can't stop a 'hypersonic, stealth cruise missile'!!! Almost every country going for point defence systems is either active radar seeker or command guidance.

The ESSM claims to intercept BrahMos but it is designed to intercept all kinds of missiles.
An interceptor for BrahMos does not need active radar sensing; all it's looking for is an IR target moving at mach 2.8+.
And since the BrahMos is coming towards it, the interceptor doesn't need to chase it down.

This is what your Startfor article says

This is not the article I was talking about. That article specifically talks about IR signature due to surface friction.

So US is lord of technology

Actually, when it comes to ramjet engine technology and materials science, it is.

It would be funny to think that a sam can destroy a missile travelling @ 1km per sec and that too from front..

What's funny about that?
What is different about computing an intercept vector from the front as opposed to another angle?

(not going into details of IR suppression methods on Brahmos) , even then it does not mean that the subsonic missile will never be detected by those same IR sensors. As you must be knowing Sub sonics too have a significant IR profile (hint: jet exhaust!).

The IR signature in question is due to surface friction on the missile's skin, not exhaust.
The faster the speed, the greater the IR signature caused by friction.

P.S. What about giving example of a subsonic missile defence, I think almost every defence scientist in the world has read Pythagorus!

My point is that the defence system need not be supersonic because the BrahMos is coming towards it. The interceptor does not need to chase the BrahMos, just get in its way.