CRPF mulls fitting guns with GPS to track Maoist moves

[trinity]

How do you expect the Maoists to showcase their talents? Presently, they are in warmode for the last few decades. The only thing I can point out is their tremendous tenacity to fight a better force. Not bad for uneducaed, illerate village ppl? Right? Funerals of our soldiers and others who die is a sad act but why are you blaming the Maoists? You should be putting that blame on the system that has failed us all. Sadly, you misplace your feelings on the wrong ppl. I never said revolution is brought thru bloodshed but there are times it will have to be used. You are lying to yourself to believe otherwise.


I hope the Maoists get the msg maybe they target criminals to achieve their goals. But I think criminals elements help their present cause as they fight the govt. If they were to attack corrupt politicans Im sure our govt would mobilze much more since they are all threatened due to their corruption. Democracy in India had failed bro not because of the ppl. We all have responsibility to teach everyone how to utlize it. We failed on not educating the masses.

 

[trinity]

(1)Distorted Freedom history, those who died and fought became looser, those who played became leader - no Bhagath Singh, No Netaji in history books(just a small paragraph) (2)Distort Indian History in Textbooks - Academically debunked things like Aryan Invasion, North South Divide, Upper Lower Caste, Sati. When the reality is, The beginning of Hindu creation starts in South India, in the Kingdom of Manu, Casteism was based on Karma or social hierarchy due to work nature and Sati was practiced when Hindu woman wouldn't submit to the Islamic invader but rather jump into the fire. (3)Huge Chapters for the Mughal Invaders but non for Shivaji or the Vijayanagara or the Ah0m -all which preserved, against all odds India's Hindu identity and saved it from Islam..its so unique, India is the only culture to have survived Islam. (4)For congress, traitors are hero's are hero's are traitors...a facade for secular Hindus and not so secular minorities.And thats why they dont want to investigate Netaji...whom they eliminated.

 

[trinity]

There is an email address to one of the posts I put up. The guy wants to orgnaized effective action to force the govt to take correct measures.

 

[trinity]

TREACHERY AND THE INA TREASURE | MissionNetaji.org


Read up. There is a reference that shows how the British noted there were two trunks. What happened to one of the missing trunks? Seems like our govt has been corrupt and lying to us since the early days.


Allegations were made in 1970s that Damle actually carried two, not one, trunks and that they contained "gold and diamond ornaments" worth crores. En route to Delhi, Damle's movements were detected by the British authorities in Hong Kong. The Governor-General of Hong Kong is alleged to have "sent a cable to the British Foreign Office informing them of the two mysterious sealed trunks from the Japanese on way to India".


This is why I have no faith in our govt. Think about this, only 125 million ppl in India are thought to have internet connection. That;s mean you all are elite compared to the rest of the country. Wake up.

A country with no identity, no self respect, no integrity, no honesty, no infrastructure, no morals, no law and order and what else? No nationalistic feeling, a country which does not even know its true history, culture and heritage ( while other countries are seriously discovering the wealth of knowledge in Indian Vedas and heritage) and ruled by thugs, criminals and crooks of highest order who are looting this country at a level, surpassing Mughals and British invasion... A BIG CHANGE IS AWAITED TO GET THE HOUSE IN ORDER AND IT MIGHT PROBABLY START WITH Mr. Modi (but only if hje corrects these past wrongs and gets justice) or the Maoists becoming the Prime minster of the country... Peace!

 

[Sergi]

You are saying we are debating but you have actually avoided answers to my questions from all previous posts. I will be waiting for those answers.

Sergi I think our posts ave opened this debate to a much higher degree than our own Indian media! Its good to see all the points good and bad on both sides. Taking the violent approach is usually the lesser of two evils but many times its the path that has to be taken.

that's the Luxary of Democracy. Anyone can talk. Commies will hang you just for talking against them. The blind Adv from china is fresh proof of what I write.
Taking violent approach can NEVER be the lesser evils. It's more evil. Explain how it's lesser evil.

Sad but true. In fact, you can see this approach in India's historical fight for Independence.

you mean the Indian armed revolutionaries ??? You want to compare Bhagat, Azaad and others to these Mao fans ??? You got to be kidding me. Thats the direct insult man. You really want me to write the difference here ???

Now let me bring to why our govt has been hijacked and the powers that be, won;t give up their control. Democracy is going nowhere. Its the need of the hour and the elite, civilians, the military, etc, wont let it go. So any debate on other options is pointless. Well, you could take ideas and incorporate into govt I guess. That would be a good benefit.

I agree with that who's gona tell that to those retards. problems with your Mao fans is they don't belive in the rule of people. They still think India is ruled by Capatalist and forginers. only option to that is the Polit beuro formed by those geniuses.
They need to understand their ideology is only good on paper.it's Every application around the world is a disaster so far. Why not let that go ???

Anyway, Gov't as been the biggest destablizing factor in India. When I say Government, I am including all levels. Lately, our govt is carefully focused on social media and how it bring down India. Well, I agree but instead of focusing on right wing militant groups Hindu and Muslims, they are more obessed with social activitists and civil rights campaigns. Why?

You are ill informed. All extreme elements are under continuos watch and scanner. You can take my word on that. Just don't ask why
On Civil activists - its whole big other issue. But if you are pointing to recent "janLokpal" govt will pay its price in elections in civilised manner.
If you are pointing at HR activists I am really not a big fan of them. If you ever see any HR activist fighting for the deaths of police please point me. They are biased out front. Some of them found working for local mafia. Hit google search.

Do you think that is a threat to our democracy? I listed above a many points. I talked about the Chief Minister of a certain naxal afflicted state and how I have proof. Nobody cares bro. Not a single person. Not a single media personality. I pointed out the Wiki leaks that exposed all the names of those individuals with money in foreign banks. Look at the inaction our govt has taken. Why? Look at the money involved. Look at the scams? All this corruption is what is slowing down development my friend. Our developemnt of these areas will be half *** attempts. Nothing will change.

you are right. But common people are responsible too. You don't vote, you don't participate you don't support the eligible candidate , you see who's good for you, then you don't have any right to complain. Still thinks are changing now. Hope they will pick up speed

At some point you got to wake up man. Maoists however bad they are, quite frankly provide me and others with a sense of hope that they would do things much better.

I am already up man ...!
first let them allow their female cadre to have some respect and rights. You are expecting something good from them for common man ??? Good luck. Talking and doing is different. I am writing it again and again. Mao and his followers failed to do what they think in China. Today the leadership is parting away from that ideology. And you belive our genious Mao fans who are not willing to see beyond that can do better than Mao himself. Can you assure they won't kill people similar to what Mao did in cultural revolution ???
Please explain be the baits of your Hope ???

Our govt has not been able to do anything.

wrong again. You were telling me to keep mind open our govt certainly fail to do many things but you can't say they do nothing

We have a long list of excuses but no answers why? The Green Revolution was helped in part by America but India failed to upkeep that revolution. We are not as bad as before but we have slipped backwards in agriculture. The economy not opening up doesnt prevent us from educating our masses and how to handle and grasp the world. What stopped us for 50 yrs from doing that much? Nothing bro just incompetence.

Wrong again: USA didn't helps ATALL . Actually it was US who was tring to manipulate our govt decisions with the food .
A US citizen did. India didn't failed to keep up. That was end of the road in Indian context. The HYV that were good in Maxico and other countries were not that effective in Indian climate. The varieties which can were and are on full capacity since then.
Our agriculture was good enough for the pre-INDEPENDANCE pollution. It failed to meet the need of exploding population.
You really need to dig some history on india about population , literacy , economy , world politics.

Let;s talk about Netajo Bose. There is a recent debate why we keep on pushing his death aside. Its almost as if certain powers don;t want him to be mentioned anymore. I suggest you read up on him.

I know a lot about him. You might like conspiracy theories. I took the the govt of Japan's word. If yu don't know 3/4 task groups went to Japan to find out what happen to Netaji. No information at all. If you want to say Japan govt is hiding info because of Indian govt .....

Why would our govt care about our foreign relations so much? He was one of us. One of our greatest countrymen, yet we do great dishonor to his legacy. Could we be concerned by our foreign relations with Russia or are certain powers in govt more concerned about themselves. Its something that has to be explored. But our govt will move at a snails pace, but ppl like you think that is acceptable. Sorry it isn;t in this day and age.I could understand being slow 200 yrs ago even a 100 yrs ago. But I can show you govts that were more effective back then also. We have tech now. Only excuses to back up our shortcomings doens;t solve anything.

only controversy about Netaji is his death. Nothing more. Please wiki is not always trusted source. GOI found all those task forces of civilians and judges. There are official statements from GOI. Show me any credible link saying GOI deny info.

 

[Sergi]

How do you expect the Maoists to showcase their talents?

By not killing anyone and by being civilised. Let go arms go talk and convince people. Win all local covil bodies. Admin them with efficiency and took higher and higher governance bodies and prove point to the people.

Presently, they are in warmode for the last few decades. The only thing I can point out is their tremendous tenacity to fight a better force. Not bad for uneducaed, illerate village ppl? Right? Funerals of our soldiers and others who die is a sad act but why are you blaming the Maoists?

so ??? As I said yesterday so is Taliban. Your point ???
I am blaming the Mao fans because they do it. If I don't get electricity in my remote village am I supposed to kill the SEB's repair-men or wire-men ???
It's pathetic that you even support the killings for any reason - correct or incorrect. We don't live in stone age. Even casualties on border can't be supported. Lose if human life mean something to you ??? I prey god you never get that experience personally . God bless.

You should be putting that blame on the system that has failed us all. Sadly, you misplace your feelings on the wrong ppl. I never said revolution is brought thru bloodshed but there are times it will have to be used. You are lying to yourself to believe otherwise.

wrong people ??? One who is currupt/un-efficient/selfish or the one who kills for the crimes ??? Are we in Stong ages.
You didn't say. It is said by everybody. Mao, Lenin ,Stalin. It's the basic idea of revolution in communism.

I hope the Maoists get the msg maybe they target criminals to achieve their goals. But I think criminals elements help their present cause as they fight the govt. If they were to attack corrupt politicans Im sure our govt would mobilze much more since they are all threatened due to their corruption. Democracy in India had failed bro not because of the ppl. We all have responsibility to teach everyone how to utlize it. We failed on not educating the masses.

What criminal ??? Show me one such hit.
We failed to educate masses. Ok. How killing people is going to do that ????
Till date Maoists had killed police , CRPF and village people.


PS: my auto correct is quite fu@ked up repling you. So don't mind typos.

 

[Sergi]

(1)Distorted Freedom history, those who died and fought became looser, those who played became leader - no Bhagath Singh, No Netaji in history books(just a small paragraph) (2)Distort Indian History in Textbooks - Academically debunked things like Aryan Invasion, North South Divide, Upper Lower Caste, Sati. When the reality is, The beginning of Hindu creation starts in South India, in the Kingdom of Manu, Casteism was based on Karma or social hierarchy due to work nature and Sati was practiced when Hindu woman wouldn't submit to the Islamic invader but rather jump into the fire. (3)Huge Chapters for the Mughal Invaders but non for Shivaji or the Vijayanagara or the Ah0m -all which preserved, against all odds India's Hindu identity and saved it from Islam..its so unique, India is the only culture to have survived Islam. (4)For congress, traitors are hero's are hero's are traitors...a facade for secular Hindus and not so secular minorities.And thats why they dont want to investigate Netaji...whom they eliminated.

What are you taking about ??? Go have a look at school books man. Do you want me to give you page numbers ???

 

[trinity]

The last post was just something that I copied and pasted from someone else. I thought it was interesting though the factual content is questionable. I cannot verify. No access. The reality is that the quality of our education changes from public to private, from state to state, from village to village. THere is no standardization in teaching crednentials on a national level.



Anyway Sergi, I feel you know ppl who may have died from Maoists? Is that true? Im sorry for your loss. As for the Netaji issue,




Blast from the past | Sasankasekhar Sanyal

On August 3, 1977, Sasankasekhar Sanyal, the MP from Jhangipur, went hammer and tongs against Netaji's political rivals in the Lok Sabha.

I will tell you that in 1946-47 when the top leaders of the Congress were hatching the conspiracy of partition against our election manifesto, myself and Sarat Bose were MLAs isolated from the rest of the Congress leaders. Myself and Sarat Bose were against partition; Gandhiji was conniving at partition; others were clamouring for partition....

The Nawab of Bhopal charted a plane from taking Jawaharlal Nehru to Singapore where Lord Wavell was; he was then Viceroy; General Auchinleck, Commander-in-Chief of the war was also there ....


Lord Mountbatten who was at the head of the Southeast Asia Command at that time was summoned to Singapore base and Jawaharlal Nehru was given certain questions by Lord Mountabatten. He said: Look here; Scotland Yard has not yet written off Subhas as dead or gone disappeared never to come. If that is so, if Subhas comes back to India, will you be the Prime Minister or Subhas will be? That was question No 1. Question No 2 was, supposing the country is not partitioned, will Bengal contribute the Prime Ministership or will UP contribute the Prime Ministership. The hint was very clear and the vacillating great leader agreed to partition. This matter I wrote in a Bengali journal Yugawani long long ago. Nobody contradicted.






There are a bunch of stuff just cick on articles from this site.

Articles | MissionNetaji.org






It doesn;t matter the times we are in. The same **** has been going on for centuries. The difference now is that we are bale to connect, share this knowledge and gain the truth more than eve before from the comfort of our homes. Like I said, Maoists will always have a base of support due to our gov;t incompetence. We have pushed ppl who have no voice no power aside for their special interests.


Im not questioning the fact that he is dead. I question the factual evidence behind it all. You have to read behind the lines and take everything with a bit of salt. Who stands the most to loose, if Netaji came back? I think he died in Russia with a number of credible proof coming out of it. Even his wife believed it and was annoyed by Pranab Mukerjee. Something to think about it.


I dont support death but death is promised to us all. I am not afraid of it. Its a fact of life that will come whenever. Live everyday as it is the last day. I have pointed out so many core issues that come back to govt corruption. If stay quiet, then how will we ever progress? Only at a snails pace? The American Revolution was the result of armed conflict. Sure, Gandhi got Independence but at what costs.



Maoists will kill just like security personnel will kill anyone who gets in the way of their operations. Thats a given. I don;t see what the issue is. Both are gunning for each other. The question is who is fighting for morally right reasons? I see the connection to China and such. I don;t agree with such crap. My only reason for thinking they deserve some applause is that they fight to ensure everyone is treated fairly. Blame the govt for not giving justice, for not acting fair, for allowing our women to be raped, for being lenient on sentencing, etc? These crimes have been happeneing for a damn long time, yet nobody makes any damn change unless we protest like crazy in Delhi. The reason why I posted all these corruption issues and all that money in the Swiss banks is because that money is being diverted from development. Why the failure of our govt to act? It's not an issue of it being slow, Its simply because the govt is not acting at all or only for special core interests/groups.

 

[Sergi]

The last post was just something that I copied and pasted from someone else. I thought it was interesting though the factual content is questionable. I cannot verify. No access. The reality is that the quality of our education changes from public to private, from state to state, from village to village. THere is no standardization in teaching crednentials on a national level.

yes there is. All NCRTE books are availbe online on many educational forums. It's a good read if you are interested. Try 8/9/10/11/12 standard History books. All state has their own education board and system but they have to follow NCERT guidelines.

Anyway Sergi, I feel you know ppl who may have died from Maoists? Is that true? Im sorry for your loss.

one of my friend was killed barbarically - literally barbarically. A just married PSI from a poor family. I can't forget the sight of his funeral.

As for the Netaji issue,

Trust me I have read a lot lot more.
Nataji's death is one of the mysteries of our history.
Japan govt ( the same that fought the war ) had recorded the plane crash and Netaji's death.
Nobody in India buy that.
There are two theories 1. As you mentioned he was captured and imprisoned by Russians
2. He got away and live his life with different identity.
There is nothing to prove any of it.
The incident in your link is correct. But Brithish do have the legitimate fear of Netaji. For instance see through their eyes. A man that turned Indians in British army against British for the first time after 1857. The enormus support for INA soilders facing court martial that their death penalties were canceled. If by any miracle Netaji would have returned India he would have been the people's choice.
A new nation having a PM who had fough against Britain with the army he created , would never have been in favour of Britain.

But many conspiracy theory creators forget few facts.
- Netaji didn't hate Mr. Gandhi or Nehru.
- Netaji respect Mr. Gandhi that much he resigned the congress presidency Just because Gandhi want Mr. Sitaramayya to have that who lose the election against Netaji. Netaji had the option to continue and he would have expelled every resistance inside "Indian national congress". He didn't . He resigned.

- He named one of the BRG of INA after Gandhi.
- fact: he never went against Gandhi eventhough he hardly agree with him on anything.
-INC choose Mr. Patel as their leader. Gandhi put his blessings on Nehru's shoulder. Patel backed off for the same resons.
So technically Netaji returning to India after WW2 wasn't going to change Nehru's position.

It doesn;t matter the times we are in. The same **** has been going on for centuries. The difference now is that we are bale to connect, share this knowledge and gain the truth more than eve before from the comfort of our homes. Like I said, Maoists will always have a base of support due to our gov;t incompetence. We have pushed ppl who have no voice no power aside for their special interests.


Im not questioning the fact that he is dead. I question the factual evidence behind it all. You have to read behind the lines and take everything with a bit of salt. Who stands the most to loose, if Netaji came back? I think he died in Russia with a number of credible proof coming out of it. Even his wife believed it and was annoyed by Pranab Mukerjee. Something to think about it.

answered above

I dont support death but death is promised to us all. I am not afraid of it. Its a fact of life that will come whenever. Live everyday as it is the last day. I have pointed out so many core issues that come back to govt corruption. If stay quiet, then how will we ever progress? Only at a snails pace? The American Revolution was the result of armed conflict. Sure, Gandhi got Independence but at what costs.

you have mixed up your facts. "American Revolition" was against forgine rule. And that too after the legitimate demands were rejected.
Gandhi got us the INDEPENDANCE on the cost of his life. I don't like Gandhi at all. But won't over look his contribution. After all he was a human like us. Bound to make mistakes. That's wont take work away. And India is one nation today cause we ACHIVE it without or negligible violence.

Maoists will kill just like security personnel will kill anyone who gets in the way of their operations.

you ever see security personnel blow up the bus cause 10/20 Mao fans are travelling in it ???
Do you read that security personnel don't take the wounded Mao fan to hospital and let him die there ??? Ever killed surrendered Mao fan ???
Ever see security personnel stoned Mao fans to save bullets ???
It's not the same thing. If they have the balls let them hit something big or come out and fight.

The question is who is fighting for morally right reasons? I see the connection to China and such. I don;t agree with such crap. My only reason for thinking they deserve some applause is that they fight to ensure everyone is treated fairly. Blame the govt for not giving justice, for not acting fair, for allowing our women to be raped, for being lenient on sentencing, etc? These crimes have been happeneing for a damn long time, yet nobody makes any damn change unless we protest like crazy in Delhi. The reason why I posted all these corruption issues and all that money in the Swiss banks is because that money is being diverted from development. Why the failure of our govt to act? It's not an issue of it being slow, Its simply because the govt is not acting at all or only for special core interests/groups.

Moral reason ??? They don't even show the moral to respect the dead.
You are pretty brain-washed ( no offence ). You should visite the Naxal affected area. See ground reality. Talk to locals. You will know all the good things and morality of these Mao fans.
The only Base they got is power and fear. If they ever had the base in local populous "Salva Judam" would never been a success. And they would have inducted the govt. trained fighters in their cadet instead if going to court to close it down. Simple logic.
They give people choice - joint the cadre or die. In past people got no other option. Now govt has given the option to join police. It's paying well.

 

[Sergi]

@trinity : quote or mention so I get the notification of your reply

 

[trinity]

@trinity : quote or mention so I get the notification of your reply

This is about something else but it touches development check it out around 8:00


Academic Imperialism - Vinay Lal - YouTube

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Im not brain washed man. I only support naxalites but their only option is to join Maoists. Thats is te only way they can fight the corrupt system

 

[Sergi]

@trinity : so no point in discussion
You made your mind I made mine.

 

[trinity]

@trinity : so no point in discussion
You made your mind I made mine.

There is always a point. I think you made me see that the Maoists are far from perfect. I believe that the violent approach will work against them eventually. I hope you truly see why they took such a drastic path? Not the Maoists but why the Naxals willingly joined. Development is not the core problem as we are led to believe. Its part of the problem though. But the corruption in govt is the main issue. See while corruption in govt can be found anywhere anytime, its the lack of justice and the prevailing attitude to be reactive and not practive but places India in a position far below other nations. Our gov't has no vision bro whether you like to admit that or not. QUite frankly, India has achieved a great deal from the ability of its ppl with very little help from our gov;t. Sure, the gov;t will go out of its way to help certain members (the elite) but very little trickles down to the middle and lower classes.



I can write down many ways to improve the situation. But what is the point, if the gov't is not willing to support and instead works against it, since it may empower the very ppl they try to keep enslaved or downtrodden? I hope you eventually see while Naxals and Maoists aren;t perfect, the path they chose was the only path available in an unjust system. A system that perpetually worked against them at all costs, in the interests of the powerful, the elite, and the wealthy.