CRPF mulls fitting guns with GPS to track Maoist moves

[Ayush]

and the plan remains as a plan forever.

talk
propose
suggest
plan
goal
aim
discuss

just no result!

so indian

Time to change your name to unpeaceful troller.

 

[Abingdonboy]

You can download a operation manual book of any gun from Internet. And these Maoists aren't illiterate infact some of them are over educated

I don't think anybody is going to give CRPF that kinda budget. Even if they got it, It won't be big deal to to remove these GPS from the weapons or use them for trapps. Most likely it's a information leaked to avoid the weapon loot.

Most suitable solution for the problem should be 1/2 dedicated servilience satellites and powerful and quick air cover. Then these ideology lunatics will run like hell

But the problem is GOI treat them as political group and NOT as terrorists. Just brand them terrorists.

They are already on the run-no need to spend the huge costs you are calling for. WIth current budget the forces are already doing a commendable effort. IIRC spy-sats are being used through the NRTO for the fight against the Moasits. Also the GoI has completly ruled out the use of airpower against their own citizens so that's a non-starter.

 

[Koovie]

They are already on the run-no need to spend the huge costs you are calling for. WIth current budget the forces are already doing a commendable effort. IIRC spy-sats are being used through the NRTO for the fight against the Moasits. Also the GoI has completly ruled out the use of airpower against their own citizens so that's a non-starter.

I think Maoist are not stone age mentality

They respect human life unlike bastard Taliban

They set farmers on fire who refused to supply them.

You can download a operation manual book of any gun from Internet. And these Maoists aren't illiterate infact some of them are over educated

I don't think anybody is going to give CRPF that kinda budget. Even if they got it, It won't be big deal to to remove these GPS from the weapons or use them for trapps. Most likely it's a information leaked to avoid the weapon loot.

Most suitable solution for the problem should be 1/2 dedicated servilience satellites and powerful and quick air cover. Then these ideology lunatics will run like hell

But the problem is GOI treat them as political group and NOT as terrorists. Just brand them terrorists.

CRPF has enough money. Just look at the list of ongoing tender. They are already using UAVs and GPS for anti naxal ops.

http://crpf.nic.in/tender_notices.htm

CRPF uses GPS, UAVs to fight Maoists
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/crpf-uses-gps-uavs-to-fight-maoists/article4048449.ece



Cobra battalions are equiped with latest firearms and gear.

 

[Abingdonboy]

It's all good, these guys are on it (minus RR of course!!):

 

[Sergi]

They are already on the run-no need to spend the huge costs you are calling for. WIth current budget the forces are already doing a commendable effort. IIRC spy-sats are being used through the NRTO for the fight against the Moasits. Also the GoI has completly ruled out the use of airpower against their own citizens so that's a non-starter.

On Bolded part I know GOI's stand. I am just saying it is a major policy flaw. Terrorists are terrorist desi or videsi. They have to be killed.

I won't agree on the term - on the run.
Friend of mine is serving in Maharashtra police. Even though Maoist aren't that strong in our state some of the parts of the state specifically the border part of Gadachiroli Dist are No go for police. And even CRPF don't make a movement in that area without considerable man power.

I don't know about the stat cover you mention but I am sure Maharashtra police don't get any stat intel. Don't know about CRPF get it or not. But I think the article is saying CRPF lack the real time intelligence and the the poor human intelligence network. Human network is always going to be poor in this area.

 

[somebozo]

a GPS device can be made small enough to hide in the gun handle and still has long enough battery life - just that India doesnt have to tech yet so it will have to depend on foreign firms initially!

 

[Abingdonboy]

On Bolded part I know GOI's stand. I am just saying it is a major policy flaw. Terrorists are terrorist desi or videsi. They have to be killed.

I won't agree on the term - on the run.
Friend of mine is serving in Maharashtra police. Even though Maoist aren't that strong in our state some of the parts of the state specifically the border part of Gadachiroli Dist are No go for police. And even CRPF don't make a movement in that area without considerable man power.

I don't know about the stat cover you mention but I am sure Maharashtra police don't get any stat intel. Don't know about CRPF get it or not. But I think the article is saying CRPF lack the real time intelligence and the the poor human intelligence network. Human network is always going to be poor in this area.

Sergi, the Moaist problem is significant so not everywhere will be targeted by the GoI at once. When I say things are getting better I am generalising and talking from a Macro POV, yes pockets will remain for a while but once the strongholds get fewer and further between the forces can turn their attention to other areas.


Wrt airpower, personally I think it is a good thing but I take your point. However it is an ethical debate and I see the point that what's the difference between killing a Moaist with a 5.56mm bullet and dropping a 500lb LGB on his house. I don't think this conflict lends itself all that well to the use of air power and the mantre of any CI force is "boots on the ground". Area domination and groundwork is key.

Having said that I'm not opposed to the MIL-17s/ALHs operating in CASEVAC/MEDEVAC roles being armed with door-mounted mini-guns instead of the current MMG/LMG especially in the context where only last week those idiots fired and damaged an IAF CASEVAC helo.

 

[Sergi]

CRPF has enough money. Just look at the list of ongoing tender. They are already using UAVs and GPS for anti naxal ops.

Tender Notices

CRPF uses GPS, UAVs to fight Maoists
The Hindu : News / National : CRPF uses GPS, UAVs to fight Maoists



Cobra battalions are equiped with latest firearms and gear.

Buddy car gps tracker costs around 200 dollers. micro gps transmitter for civilian use cost about 700/800 dollars per piece. So say minimum 1600 doller per piece ( I am guessing but it would be more than this figure ) for milletry grade material which can be fitted in gun with concealment. So how much transmitters CRPF can affort ??? If I am not wrong that will cost more than the half of the value of the gun itself.

Ok. Cobra's got stuff. What about regular contingent ??? They are still with insas without body armour. Cobra's are low in number.

UAVs aren't every where. Hope they get more.

 

[Sergi]

Sergi, the Moaist problem is significant so not everywhere will be targeted by the GoI at once. When I say things are getting better I am generalising and talking from a Macro POV, yes pockets will remain for a while but once the strongholds get fewer and further between the forces can turn their attention to other areas.


Wrt airpower, personally I think it is a good thing but I take your point. However it is an ethical debate and I see the point that what's the difference between killing a Moaist with a 5.56mm bullet and dropping a 500lb LGB on his house. I don't think this conflict lends itself all that well to the use of air power and the mantre of any CI force is "boots on the ground". Area domination and groundwork is key.

Having said that I'm not opposed to the MIL-17s/ALHs operating in CASEVAC/MEDEVAC roles being armed with door-mounted mini-guns instead of the current MMG/LMG especially in the context where only last week those idiots fired and damaged an IAF CASEVAC helo.

1. Excatly that's what needed sir. When forces tighten their grip on one area say Gadachiroli in Maharashtra these Mao fans move to MP or AP or CG. They stay low there for while and let MH cool down. Then they do something there and move to MH. they are playing this since decades now. Will you belive they have their own concrete bunkers and machine guns ??? And I think sir in jungle warfare a dedicated team of 100 men will cause enough trouble to Governmet. And here we are talking about thousands of idiots.

Ground work is key. No doubt. But main thing should be cutting recruitments. The main cause of recruitments are no development and fear.

On air support , it will be a big moral boost for troops serving in that area. Few years ago a police party of Maharashtra police was killed brutally by these Mao fans. Not with bullets. They use stones to crush heads. Party was trapped and no air resue was available. Wireless conversation transcripts where publish in local daily. Party was asking for help for 2 hr. nothing. After that incident MH home minister promissed about 2 Helos. I don't know what happen to that. But over all moral of police after that incident was down.

 

[Koovie]

Buddy car gps tracker costs around 200 dollers. micro gps transmitter for civilian use cost about 700/800 dollars per piece. So say minimum 1600 doller per piece ( I am guessing but it would be more than this figure ) for milletry grade material which can be fitted in gun with concealment. So how much transmitters CRPF can affort ??? If I am not wrong that will cost more than the half of the value of the gun itself.

Ok. Cobra's got stuff. What about regular contingent ??? They are still with insas without body armour. Cobra's are low in number.

UAVs aren't every where. Hope they get more.

Actually there are 6 Cobra battalions and regular CRPF guys also get BPJs and even X95s (CRPF got over 10000 X95s). Just take a look at the tenders, they will induct more and more stuff in the next years.
Tender Notices

 

[Abingdonboy]

Actually there are 6 Cobra battalions and regular CRPF guys also get BPJs and even X95s. Just take a look at the tenders, they will induct more and more stuff in the next years.
Tender Notices

AFAIK there are 10 COBRA btns.

10 btns=10,000+ COBRAs!

 

[Sergi]

Actually there are 6 Cobra battalions and regular CRPF guys also get BPJs and even X95s. Just take a look at the tenders, they will induct more and more stuff in the next years.
Tender Notices

Ok. Can you tell me when will they arrive ???
We know the tender process. Don't we so lets say things won't be changing in next 3 years

 

[Koovie]

Ok. Can you tell me when will they arrive ???
We know the tender process. Don't we so lets say things won't be changing in next 3 years

Sure it will take time, but we made great progress in many areas if you compare what we had a few years back. Not only in equipment but also tactics changed over that time.

AFAIK there are 10 COBRA btns.

10 btns=10,000+ COBRAs!

From the CRPF website:
The Central Reserve Police Force came into existence as Crown Representative’s Police on 27th July 1939. It became the Central Reserve Police Force on enactment of the CRPF Act on 28th December 1949. It has completed 60 years of glorious history. The Force has grown into a big organization with 207 Bn, (including 181 executive Bns, 2 Mahila Bns, 10 RAF Bns, 6 CoBRA Bns, 2 DM (NDRF) Bns, 5 Signal Bns and 1 Special Duty Group), 37 Group Centres, 11 Training Institutions, 2 CWS, 7 AWS, 3 SWS, 4 Composite Hospitals of 100 bed and 17 Composite Hospitals of 50 bed.

http://crpf.gov.in/default.aspx

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sure it will take time, but we made great progress in many areas if you compare what we had a few years back. Not only in equipment but also tactics changed over that time.



From the CRPF website:
The Central Reserve Police Force came into existence as Crown Representative’s Police on 27th July 1939. It became the Central Reserve Police Force on enactment of the CRPF Act on 28th December 1949. It has completed 60 years of glorious history. The Force has grown into a big organization with 207 Bn, (including 181 executive Bns, 2 Mahila Bns, 10 RAF Bns, 6 CoBRA Bns, 2 DM (NDRF) Bns, 5 Signal Bns and 1 Special Duty Group), 37 Group Centres, 11 Training Institutions, 2 CWS, 7 AWS, 3 SWS, 4 Composite Hospitals of 100 bed and 17 Composite Hospitals of 50 bed.

Home - CRPF

Mr. Vijayakumar said the force had inducted the state-of-the-art Israeli-made Special Forces weapon, the Tavor-21 assault rifle, for its 10 elite Commando Battalions for Resolute Action (COBRA), engaged in counter insurgency operations in different regions of the country. CRPF combatants now relied more on night-vision equipment and other electronic sensors to locate and neutralise armed extremist and militant groups.

The Hindu : Cities / Thiruvananthapuram : CRPF on modernisation drive: DGP

From July 2012. Maybe the info on the CRPF website is out of date.

Ok. Can you tell me when will they arrive ???
We know the tender process. Don't we so lets say things won't be changing in next 3 years

Many of these things are already in use and these are just follow-on orders. But yes, wait 3 years for today's tenders to see results is the general rule of thump in India for the past few years.

 

[Sergi]

Sure it will take time, but we made great progress in many areas if you compare what we had a few years back. Not only in equipment but also tactics changed over that time.



From the CRPF website:
The Central Reserve Police Force came into existence as Crown Representative’s Police on 27th July 1939. It became the Central Reserve Police Force on enactment of the CRPF Act on 28th December 1949. It has completed 60 years of glorious history. The Force has grown into a big organization with 207 Bn, (including 181 executive Bns, 2 Mahila Bns, 10 RAF Bns, 6 CoBRA Bns, 2 DM (NDRF) Bns, 5 Signal Bns and 1 Special Duty Group), 37 Group Centres, 11 Training Institutions, 2 CWS, 7 AWS, 3 SWS, 4 Composite Hospitals of 100 bed and 17 Composite Hospitals of 50 bed.

Home - CRPF

1. Not objecting first part. Even I am saying the same thing. It will take time.

2 can you tell me how many Cobra Bns are active in anti- Naxal ops ??? I don't think all of them will be sent there.

Many of these things are already in use and these are just follow-on orders. But yes, wait 3 years for today's tenders to see results is the general rule of thump in India for the past few years.

and that's also if and only if nothings go wrong it's a real pitty. GOI should consider of completing any process within a year for change