CRPF mulls fitting guns with GPS to track Maoist moves

[Sergi]

I think the Maoists hijacked the movement from the naxals who willingly joined for guidance and supply. Sadly, both joined for different purposes but both complemented each other.

That's what theory says. Look at the leadership of all Comunist fractions and of Naxals at that time. All these guies used to work together. But so called ideology differences cause a drift in their approach and surprisingly most of them join hands after sometime what that mean ???


You mention Rape case in your first post. Let's assume a senario
- mob is angry due to the rape and death of a young girl
- mob is furious against the administration and security for their late or no response
- there come a highly charismatic leader to address them and convince them only solution to save their girls from such act is to kill the every police in that area who failed to protect the victim to set a lesson for the remaining cops.
- people already angry took knifes and swords and rod ( only availbe weapons ) and take on Delhi police.
We don't need to predict the result. And we aren't interested in that.
Real question is
do think this should happen ??? Or correct ???
Answer this and I will continue with my argument. ( it's not finished in this post. Have to add more but need your response on the question )

 

[trinity]

That's what theory says. Look at the leadership of all Comunist fractions and of Naxals at that time. All these guies used to work together. But so called ideology differences cause a drift in their approach and surprisingly most of them join hands after sometime what that mean ???


You mention Rape case in your first post. Let's assume a senario
- mob is angry due to the rape and death of a young girl
- mob is furious against the administration and security for their late or no response
- there come a highly charismatic leader to address them and convince them only solution to save their girls from such act is to kill the every police in that area who failed to protect the victim to set a lesson for the remaining cops.
- people already angry took knifes and swords and rod ( only availbe weapons ) and take on Delhi police.
We don't need to predict the result. And we aren't interested in that.
Real question is
do think this should happen ??? Or correct ???
Answer this and I will continue with my argument. ( it's not finished in this post. Have to add more but need your response on the question )

Listen corrupt elements will always work together. There is an attraction and a bond between such groups. Do you remember Veerappan? The bandit who killed many good soldiers? Well, you do know he was protected by certain political interests? The reason I brought it up is that politics unfortunately plays a role that we tend to overlook noe acknowledge. Ideology will lways be there but in the greater interests of survival, enemies or different parties well join hands to give themselves a stronger position. As for the Communists, think about it man. Those West Bengal Chuttiyas have more love for China than for India. It doesn;t matter what the ideology is, what matters to me is it is INdia for Indians by Indians not some other country.


As to your questiong with rape. it has happened and has occurred quite often. The scenario you have thought is quite reasonable. But the Maoists of today are not much better. Supposedly, some of them have engaged in such **** behavior sadly. There are many factors that led to this rise. Main one is corruption. Politics in cahoots with mafias take over prime and from the poor. Sex trafficking involving politics and mafia. Sadly, these naxals have been on the receiving end of gang rape and such for long time. We also fail to realize that caste in such remote crap areas is used as a weapon to enslave certain members of our society. Im serious. Im not saying such garbage to malign Hinduism. Im saying it coz certain interests use religion to empower and strengthen their position. The police and law in such areas is unusally lenient to these ppl and as such they are able to get away with murder and rape. Education, Politics, law,etc are all connected and all vital for for India. We need to keep religion in our hearts and minds, but the moment we leave the house, we should only care and follow Federal laws so that such ideologies don;t disturb our peace. Perhaps, my thoughts are too futuristic to think of in a place like India but sometimes we need to test new ideas in order to progress evenly across the board.


Even if don;t believe me just look at how our civil right activists and protestors are being treated in India today? They are jailed of false charges, murdered, hit with fines, court dates that go on for yrs........the sole purpose of this all is to wear them down, to weaken them, to break their drive and spirit, to slow them so much that it will make them quit such actions. The same thing is occurring in the USA and al over the world. Its a class issue but its not Rich versus poor. Its RICH AND CRIMINAL elements versus THE MIDDLE AND POOR CLASS. While poor and middle class ppl can be criminals like anyone else, the corrupt elite create the conditions which foster such criminal activities.


So while I dont agree with the Maoists entirely, the wrongs I have seen committed cannot be corrected without their presence. In fact, their presence has forced India to pay attention. Our democracy has been hijacked. If democracy can be hijacked in the US, what makes you think it cannot happen just easily in our India?

 

[Sergi]

Listen corrupt elements will always work together. There is an attraction and a bond between such groups. Do you remember Veerappan? The bandit who killed many good soldiers? Well, you do know he was protected by certain political interests? The reason I brought it up is that politics unfortunately plays a role that we tend to overlook noe acknowledge. Ideology will lways be there but in the greater interests of survival, enemies or different parties well join hands to give themselves a stronger position. As for the Communists, think about it man. Those West Bengal Chuttiyas have more love for China than for India. It doesn;t matter what the ideology is, what matters to me is it is INdia for Indians by Indians not some other country.


As to your questiong with rape. it has happened and has occurred quite often. The scenario you have thought is quite reasonable. But the Maoists of today are not much better. Supposedly, some of them have engaged in such **** behavior sadly. There are many factors that led to this rise. Main one is corruption. Politics in cahoots with mafias take over prime and from the poor. Sex trafficking involving politics and mafia. Sadly, these naxals have been on the receiving end of gang rape and such for long time. We also fail to realize that caste in such remote crap areas is used as a weapon to enslave certain members of our society. Im serious. Im not saying such garbage to malign Hinduism. Im saying it coz certain interests use religion to empower and strengthen their position. The police and law in such areas is unusally lenient to these ppl and as such they are able to get away with murder and rape. Education, Politics, law,etc are all connected and all vital for for India. We need to keep religion in our hearts and minds, but the moment we leave the house, we should only care and follow Federal laws so that such ideologies don;t disturb our peace. Perhaps, my thoughts are too futuristic to think of in a place like India but sometimes we need to test new ideas in order to progress evenly across the board.


Even if don;t believe me just look at how our civil right activists and protestors are being treated in India today? They are jailed of false charges, murdered, hit with fines, court dates that go on for yrs........the sole purpose of this all is to wear them down, to weaken them, to break their drive and spirit, to slow them so much that it will make them quit such actions. The same thing is occurring in the USA and al over the world. Its a class issue but its not Rich versus poor. Its RICH AND CRIMINAL elements versus THE MIDDLE AND POOR CLASS. While poor and middle class ppl can be criminals like anyone else, the corrupt elite create the conditions which foster such criminal activities.


So while I dont agree with the Maoists entirely, the wrongs I have seen committed cannot be corrected without their presence. In fact, their presence has forced India to pay attention. Our democracy has been hijacked. If democracy can be hijacked in the US, what makes you think it cannot happen just easily in our India?

1. I am saying the same thing. Ideology counts zero when it come to survival or getting to the power. World known phenomenon. I am glad you see the commies love for some other country than the one they belong to

2. Actually you are wrong on the caste system causing Naxal problem. At start they use the tribes as their recruits. If you don't know the tribals are free from caste system Castes come into the play in the rise and broadening of the Naxal base in rural area in later period

Do you know What happen in Starting of so called Naxal movement is something similar to the senario I created in above post:
- few over educated and highly freaky ideologist hide in the jungle to avoid the arrests.
- they need the base for their cause
- what they did ??? They show the tribles the pic of progress and convince them that govt. isn't working for their welfare. So it's not their govt. it belong to rich people. So only Way to make things correct is killing govt related people.
- So these tribes with these genious leaders take on the well armed police with axes , knives , bows and arrows.
- result is world known.
- but question is who got killed and why. How can killing be solution to any problem ??? Few leaders got killed too.
- I am not denying any short comings in admin or politics. But how killing them is a solution.
- if they want to make things straight why not they go for elections and put the voice of struggle to world ??? Guess what they don't belive in elections cause India is ruled by some rich and Forgin masters.
- they preach development and good living. But do exactly the opposite.
- one of the serving collector said , " there is nothing like perfect development. Development come with pros and cons.
You want roads, electricity and infrastructure - your land is going to be acquired. We can't build in air
you want your area to be developed - outsiders are going to come there and earn a living.
You love jungles and it's products - but there is going to be competition with development. You can't hold a monopoly.

3. Too many issues in one go. I said try to avoid it
No political system is free of corruption or pressure and advantage groups. Democracy is a easy target but it's better than other systems. People have the voice in his system. No going to comment on others systems.
Yes atrocities happen all over the world. No doubt. eg rapes. They happen in US also. Is their death clause for it in US ??? And if you don't know the Indian women activist are against the Death penalty for rapes cause they think it will cause more cases of killings after rape. So no victim to report the crime. It was discussed in early 2000 when one rapist from WB was hanged for rape and murder of a teenage girl.
Political hits on the activist. Happen all over the world. India isn't exception. It might be more intense in India but we are trying to reduce it. Need time for that
Judiciary - yes Indian judiciary isn't ideal. But it's not bad either. They have done good job till now. And new judicial reforms will try to make it better and fast.

- where did I day democracy can't be hijacked in India ??? Democracy is very easy to manipulate. But do you have a better option ??? Sooner or later people understand this and remove apportunitists from power. But it's a slow process

You said you don't agree with Maoists entirely. I don't agree with them ATALL
State one thing that they do correctly

 

[trinity]

1. I am saying the same thing. Ideology counts zero when it come to survival or getting to the power. World known phenomenon. I am glad you see the commies love for some other country than the one they belong to

2. . At start they use the tribes as their recruits. If you don't know the tribals are free from caste system Castes come into the play in the rise and broadening of the Naxal base in rural area in later period

Do you know What happen in Starting of so called Naxal movement is something similar to the senario I created in above post:
- few over educated and highly freaky ideologist hide in the jungle to avoid the arrests.
- they need the base for their cause
- what they did ??? They show the tribles the pic of progress and convince them that govt. isn't working for their welfare. So it's not their govt. it belong to rich people. So only Way to make things correct is killing govt related people.
- So these tribes with these genious leaders take on the well armed police with axes , knives , bows and arrows.
- result is world known.
- but question is who got killed and why. How can killing be solution to any problem ??? Few leaders got killed too.
- I am not denying any short comings in admin or politics. But how killing them is a solution.
- if they want to make things straight why not they go for elections and put the voice of struggle to world ??? Guess what they don't belive in elections cause India is ruled by some rich and Forgin masters.
- they preach development and good living. But do exactly the opposite.
- one of the serving collector said , " there is nothing like perfect development. Development come with pros and cons.
You want roads, electricity and infrastructure - your land is going to be acquired. We can't build in air
you want your area to be developed - outsiders are going to come there and earn a living.
You love jungles and it's products - but there is going to be competition with development. You can't hold a monopoly.

3. Too many issues in one go. I said try to avoid it
No political system is free of corruption or pressure and advantage groups. Democracy is a easy target but it's better than other systems. People have the voice in his system. No going to comment on others systems.
Yes atrocities happen all over the world. No doubt. eg rapes. They happen in US also. Is their death clause for it in US ??? And if you don't know the Indian women activist are against the Death penalty for rapes cause they think it will cause more cases of killings after rape. So no victim to report the crime. It was discussed in early 2000 when one rapist from WB was hanged for rape and murder of a teenage girl.
Political hits on the activist. Happen all over the world. India isn't exception. It might be more intense in India but we are trying to reduce it. Need time for that
Judiciary - yes Indian judiciary isn't ideal. But it's not bad either. They have done good job till now. And new judicial reforms will try to make it better and fast.

- where did I day democracy can't be hijacked in India ??? Democracy is very easy to manipulate. But do you have a better option ??? Sooner or later people understand this and remove apportunitists from power. But it's a slow process

You said you don't agree with Maoists entirely. I don't agree with them ATALL
State one thing that they do correctly

Naxalite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Read it all. It gives a good explanation of all.

1. Thanks. As for ideology, I think it will always be there but diluted especially with leadership dropping dead and changing all the time.

2. With regard to Caste, read the Wiki

"These conflicts go back to the failure of implementing the 5th & 9th Schedules of the Constitution of India. See Outlook India comment by E.N. Rammohan 'Unleash the Good Force' - edition July 16, 2012. In theory these Schedules provide for a limited form of tribal autonomy with regard to exploiting natural resources on their lands, e.g. pharmaceutical & mining), and 'land ceiling laws', limiting the land to be possessed by landlords and distribution of excess land to landless farmers & labourers. The caste system is another important social aspect of these conflicts."


Many movements in the world have started with smart ppl who perceive an ideology. Doesn;t mean it is wrong or right. As for convincing the ppl, its not hard. They are not blind and they see the injustice themselves. Could some of the leaders of these movements be corrupt and power hungry? Sure that is a possibility. But that doesn;t excuse the gov;t. The failure to act is what angers ppl. The failure to give justice is what led them to rise up. Sadly, throughout history even ours, killing has led to many things. Success, Failure, Enlightenment, Revolution, Freedom, etc. I think they preach development and a standard of living after they have gained control of India, so that keeps them motivated to continue the struggle. Is it possible? I don;t think so. More than anything they have some numbers but the govt is scared because the more it fails, the better Maoism looks. Gov;t has nobody to blame but itself. We could have implemented major reforms to make things right. We never do.


As for development, we can do a better job. We have to use our imagination and creativity. Sadly, many of our leaders lack such skills. I'll give you a small example, nothing to do with Maoists. Look at the Taj Mahal. If they had an ounce of vision, they would have created a 5-10 mile zone in all directions banning traffic from coming to close. Such a move would keep the area dust free, pollution free, plant more trees, beautify the area, stop vehicle pollution which is harming the Taj. Make ppl walk around and bicycle. Its a no brainer to me. Look at how the Gov;t pushed the nuclear reactor in TN? The did not address key concerns by the ppl regarding safety. They tried to force and rush this project without objections. Remember, the leader of the group whom the govt declared as receiving foreign assets and support? Well what happened to that? There charges were merely fluff to shut him down. Our govt has no vision sir. None whatsoever. They never even thought about implementing any green energy projects along this. Not entirely but a small percentage to offset such energy demands would greatly help india towards the future. India's hsitorical strength has been our green living. Sadly, we forget.

Developing in Maoist held areas after we have peace should be creative and imagitive. Create minimal prence in the interior of areas. Use IT, green energy, maybe even highligth such areas to be a tribel tourism trek. I m sure if we brainstormed, we could infuse a great deal.




3. Democracy is only good if we allow it to be effective. We shouldn;t be comparing ourselves to the US. We should learn form their mistakes. We should be taking notes from Norway, Denmark or any other country that does a certain thing correctly. We should learn from that and implement. The voice we all have that you mentioned is being restricted and controlled more and more. Its quite obvious now, that our govt is not listening to us unless we riot and protest. It doesn;t have to be that way. We should have learned and never forgot this lesson from the way the British used to treat us so. And now we do this to our countrymen?


As for rapes, again we are comparing to US? Why? Compare to Saudi Arabia. The US uses the death penalty for other crimes not rape though. Its a man's world sadly. So change that perception. Rape causes far more damage than we know or think. Instead of dying and leaving the world as we know it, rape victims become living dead. To rehabilitate we have to divert so many resources. Do you think India has a good handle on such things? Not nearly as good as the US bro, not nearly. I can tell you of ppl who have raped getting only 2-6 yrs in prison in th US. Its sad. Nirbhay's case involved death, so it makes it slightly different. Her father is demanding death. I think many victims if not all, would want death? Let's ask all the victims and let them decide? Why do male chauvinist politicans and ideologues decide? Why do we adhere to human rights when we don;t practice such to our own damn law abiding citizens? The way I see it, some politicans are engaged in such sexual lifestyles. While it may not be rape, sex trafficking and forcing those victims into prostitution is pretty much the same damn thing. I see nothing wrong with the WB rapist who was hanged. The way I see it, we just allowed him to see God quicker so he can have a 1:1 discussion with his maker!



In a democracy, we should never attack activists who are trying to expose problems, push for action, change our attitudes, correct mistakes, etc. They are the very ppl who make democracy and our quality of life better. Just because it happens in the rest of the world doesn;t mean we should follow along. Why do copy the bad habits? Why not the good habits?


I agree the judiciary is somewhat good. Strengthening it will go a long way and keep corruption out of it. I agree democracy till now has been a slow process. But instead of waiting around, why isn't our gov;t thinking of unique ways to quicken the process of making our voters more informed? We need more out of the box ideas and a govt willing to support such innovation for India's development.


I don;t think the Maoists are right for taking to arms. But I can understand why. Picking up the gun is sometimes the only way to get the attention of those in power. It makes them think cautiously before they make a rash decision. But sadly, I have seen politicans willing to push our police and para forces with little planning/training/weapons into such sensitive zones only to be attacked and killed for their greed and mistakes. In the end, nobody wins except those in the top. I posted a link showing the CHinese link. But CHina has been involved since the movement since the beginning.


I respect the Maoists becoz have showed how an effective a fighting force they can be. They are Indians like you and me. True guerillas in my book not bad for a bunch of tribals. But when you analyze our history, we forget the Tribals like the Bunts put up the fiercest resistance against foreign invaders.


But I always wonder, if they are so against the establishment, how come they don;t target the corrupt politicans? Or are those corrupt politicans working together with the Maoists for their own greed? I don;t know yet.


I think what the movement has done more than anything is highlight there is an elite in India that got along with the British Raj. They were behind the scenes and in front of the scenes when we got Independence and consolidated their position. Just look around not all but many of them have family connections and influence going back many yrs ago. How can you get an equal chance? You can't. Even Bollywood has some.



Cops nail China link with Naxals - Times Of India

 

[trinity]

Sergi read up these links

Kartam Joga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Im sure you know this incident, but are you aware of the issue of mining rights?
April 2010 Maoist attack in Dantewada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Even a link about Maoists respecting the CRPF who were killed

http://www.bhaskar.com/article/CHH-RAI-maoists-crpf-personnel-raipur-3076745.html?HF-18=


As for development, look at this short perspective

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...t-page/28120949_1_bastar-tribals-forest-guard




Sergi, I know the Chief Minister of a certain Naxal afflicted state is corrupt. A University friend of mine lives in the same state. He has a business delaing with gov;t contracts. His business partner is close friends with this CM, so when the bids come, he gets the opportunity to see what the lowest bid is, so that he can make a lower offer to seal the contract. Just imagine how many more incidents this CM and others must be doing? My friend has asked me to join in. Even if you are not corrupt, you must engage in such activities to survive. Do you see how F-ked up this system is? Yes I know this goes everywhere blah blah.....but we are focused on India. The sad thing is that supplies provided are subpar and they somehow charge more. In the end, the ppl get shafted.

 

[Sergi]

@trinity: one by one dude ( I am assuming you are a guy. Recently I find out someone I was talking on net was a girl. That was embarrassing as I use some GOOD language sometimes )

You posted that many links. It will take time to read. But will reply

 

[Sergi]

@trinity: Post#49
I can write a better article that the wiki article you mention. It has lot of incorrect things. Most probably a comrade write it up.

1. Apportunity culture runs in everything and everybody. Nobody is exception. And these things happen evenif the leaders are same

2. On caste system you misunderstood. Even your link is saying the first phase of struggle was between landlords and the workers. I am not denying the caste system later sprung up as the need to widen the Naxal base.

And what are you suggesting ??? If govt fails people's anger has every right to toast it up ???
Yes most of the time the welfare policies in democracy are bound to fail. India became independent in 1947. What were the odds to implement the ideal constitution in 20/40 even 60 years with the base situation in 1947 ???
Look on the otherside PRC formed around the same time under communist rule killed millions of its own people under the name cultural revolution. Did half of the number people died in such govt sponsored atrocities ???

I don't agree with most of the atrocities you mention but assume I agree with everything you say in that regard ,
How can you justify the killings ??? The basic idea of commies " there can't be a revolution without bloodshed "
Point out one commi govt that had/has successfully implemented the ideas they preach ???
And I never understand how can one's anger on somebody support the killings of somebody else who is alien to the conflict.
I understand tribals killing landlords ( not supporting it though ) but what about the police they killed ??? If you don't belive/participate and honour the govt functions you don't have any right to say a word about short comings. Development is a continuous process. Nobody has a magic wind to correct it in one go.

 

[Sergi]

Sergi read up these links

Kartam Joga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you want to tell us how a CPI(M) activitists close down the atrocities of Salva Judam with the help of Indian judiciary ???
look like they don't like someone using their style on them ??? What about the Atrocites done by the CPI(M) cadre and it's fractions ??? When they are thinking of stopping them. And the article mention that activist was imprisoned on the suspicion. That's a joke. There is punishment till proven guilty. Definatly not on suspicion. So you get the article's quality.
I am curious though ....What happen to CPI(M) 's INDEPENDANCE agenda ???

Im sure you know this incident, but are you aware of the issue of mining rights?
April 2010 Maoist attack in Dantewada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

link is about incident. Nothing about mining. Check it. You might give me wrong link

Even a link about Maoists respecting the CRPF who were killed

Maoists-CRPF personnel -

I tell you what respect they show. The bastards killed the wounded personnels as well. And when same thing Salva Judam do to them they cry faul. They have the jungle and guerilla warfare advantage till the day GOI allow the air power. Then surely I will be writing how heroically Mao fans die for their ideology but trust me one big air hit and these ideology guru's will surrender. But dam govt and it's policies. Atleast Mao fans should be happy about this policy

As for development, look at this short perspective

'For tribals, development means exploitation' - Times Of India

I quote a serving Collecter in above post. If you want I will go in detail.

Sergi, I know the Chief Minister of a certain Naxal afflicted state is corrupt. A University friend of mine lives in the same state. He has a business delaing with gov;t contracts. His business partner is close friends with this CM, so when the bids come, he gets the opportunity to see what the lowest bid is, so that he can make a lower offer to seal the contract. Just imagine how many more incidents this CM and others must be doing? My friend has asked me to join in. Even if you are not corrupt, you must engage in such activities to survive. Do you see how F-ked up this system is? Yes I know this goes everywhere blah blah.....but we are focused on India. The sad thing is that supplies provided are subpar and they somehow charge more. In the end, the ppl get shafted.

Tell me one policial system where there is zero curruption ??? People with power always have big benefits. I am not advocating that but it's something you can't change in democracy. Are you suggesting we should change our policial system to communism ???
Even the China - Mao's home country is looking beyond his theory. But our idiots in India are not willing to see that. China already a communist country ( now say quasi communist ) is not willing to follow Mao's guide lines. And some of our geniuses want to do that in India ???
and about blah blah blah focus India - are we exceptions ???

 

[trinity]

Srikumar Hariharan (Stockholm)


DEAR NRI & OCI SISTERS & BROTHERS! The corrupt & criminal politicians of India 1947-2013, via their innumerable wanton acts of omissions & commissions, are the ones who have driven us away from our beloved ones, hearth & home & no one else. By plundering systematically, they reduced our once richest nation into an oligarchic kleptocracy, lunatic asylum & wasteland fit only for thugs to live in. To escape that living hell on earth & get better returns for our skills, we were forced to migrate. Most of us would not have migrated at all, if we have had the same good opportunities back at home. However, all migrants get discriminated in one way or another, both at home & abroad. Some are only more/less discriminated than others. That is the real truth. Even the value of the money we earn by the sweat of our brows abroad is substantially destroyed by the trillions in black money generated 24x7 by our looting politicians now & the subsequent sky-high real inflation it actually creates. We are thus the biggest losers & casuality of the corrupt & we suffer more than anyone else due to it. They are thus an extremely serious direct threat to the personal safety, security & welfare of each & every NRI & OCI & therefore must be neutralized 100% by whatever it takes. HENCE, ALL OF US MUST START TO ORGANIZE OURSELVES IMMEDIATELY & THUS SAFEGUARD ALL OUR VITAL COMMON INTERESTS. IT IS NOT ONLY OUR FUNDAMENTAL DEMOCRATIC & HUMAN RIGHT, BUT ALSO A SOLEMN RESPONSIBILITY. After all, our interests, problems & possibilities are exactly the same. People in the same boat have a whole lot to gain by pooling their resources together. It is a must for a bright future for all of us, our progeny, mother country & our present country of residence. FOR THAT PURPOSE, WE MUST START USING OUR UNIQUE COMPETENCES, INSIGHTS, CLOUT & ALL POSSIBILITIES AT HOME & ABROAD TO OUR ADVANTAGE. LOCAL, REGIONAL, NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL LEVEL ARRANGEMENTS ARE A MUST IN THIS CONTEXT. TO BEGIN WITH, I PROPOSE THAT WE 1. ESTABLISH AN IMMEDIATE EMAIL & TELEPHONE CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER, 2. START DISCUSSING WAYS & MEANS OF SAFEGUARDING OUR VITAL INTERESTS IN INDIA & ABROAD, BY USING ALL MODERN PROACTIVE & INTERACTIVE FACILITIES, NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL LAWS, RULES & REGULATIONS & 3. HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD IN CONCRETE TERMS. 4. LET US START BY COLLECTING EMAIL ADDRESSES & TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF ALL OUR LIKE-MINDED KITH & KIN ALL OVER THE WORLD & DISCUSSING IT! Long live unity & solidarity among all NRI & OCI! Long live the fight against the corrupt, who are enemy no 1 of our India & all Indians in general & NRI & OCI in particular! PLEASE SEE INDOSWEDISHASSOCIATION'S WEBSITE FOR MY WHEREABOUTS, THANKS! -Srikumar Hariharan, President & Chief Negotiator, Modersmalslararforbundet (National Union of Sweden's Mother Tongue Teachers & Trainers) & President, Indo-Swedish Association. Tel: 08-7608320, 070-7766114. Please contact me, if this interests you, thanks!




A NEW VISION & STRATEGY TO MAKE OUR INDIA THE RICHEST, SUPER POWER NO1 & BEST WELFARE NATION: INDIA NEEDS NOW A NEW NATIONAL AWAKENING & AN IMMEDIATE ALLIANCE OF THE GOOD AGAINST THE EVIL, resulting in a 100% democratic, credible, dynamic, proactive, interactive & ruling group asap. We need a thorough metamorhosis & complete makeover to bid goodbye to the murky past & welcome a glorious future. Only an entirely new breed of good, honest, enlightened, modern & progressive politicians, totally committed to the nation & its citizens & equipped with an adequate agenda, can give our grand Indian aspirations an entirely good & different direction, dimension, quality, content & impetus & also firmly lead us into the 21st century. Strategic alliances with lesser evils may also be needed to annihilate the main ones. All good Indians must now enter politics en masse & thereby help unseat the unworthy ones in it today. A national & international talent hunt may tco the leadership need. The new leaders must change our politics from the present primitive, anachronistic, completely hollow & hero-based to a serious, modern, ideology, objective, value, principle & agenda-based one, as we see in all refined & welfare nations. A clear premium must be placed on all real merits, honesty, integrity, commitment etc to engineer a reverse brain & resource drain & signal a 100% necessary moral rearmament & complete & thorough system changes. A holistic & scientific national agenda for progress & welfare based on the superb Swedish model ought to be worked out with a national consensus & made our sole guiding star. FROM ALL ACCORDING TO ABILITY & TO ALL ACCORDING TO NECESSITY MUST BECOME OUR NEW NATIONAL MOTTO. By rewriting the outdated Indian Constitution,100% accountability & transparency must be ensured & power decentralized. All our corrupted & destroyed systems, incl the 4 pillars of our democracy, must be saved, cured & put in foolproof working condition again. All our dynasties must be democratically exterminated & all other main problems identified & solved thoroughly & systematically. We must flush our hitherto failed foreign policy, join NATO - our natural allies - procure good & powerful friends & a permanent seat in UNSC. We must engineer a polarization between the good & the evil & annihilate the latter. It must undo meticulously all the harm done to India & Indians by the totally corrupt, criminal, anti-India & anti-Indian politicians 1947-2013. FOR THAT VITAL NATIONAL MISSION, IT MUST CAPTURE POWER AT THE CENTRE & IN THE STATES ASAP. IT MUST START BY JAILING ALL THE CORRUPT & RETRIEVING THE TRILLIONS THEY HAVE STOLEN & STASHED AWAY AT HOME & ABROAD. IT MUST BE INVESTED INSTANTLY IN POVERTY & ILLITERACY ELIMINATION, EMPLOYMENT & WELFARE GENERATION, INFRASTRUCTURE INCL IT IN GENERAL & ELECTRICITY & CLEAN WATER TO ALL IN PARTICULAR & THUS GIVE A NEW HOPE TO OUR HOPELESS CITIZENS. Our totally derailed India must thus be put on tracks.


SOLUTIONS:1 Run a corruption-check on all Indian ministers, leaders of main parties, all top bureaucrats & their kith & kin; prosecute the guilty in a new anti-corruption court in every state. 2 Give all citizens & residents 3 weeks to declare assets & incomes; jail all with wealth disproportionate to known sources. 3 Confiscate assets from 1 & 2 & invest it in a new poverty & illiteracy-eradication program, jobs, infrastructure incl IT & environment-cleaning in general & electricity & clean water & other essential services to all 24x7 in particular. 4 New laws to kill corruption incl nepotism, equate it with high treason, retrieve black money. 5 Modern billing system with a chip connected to the ITD in the cash register of all businesses, multiple IT-checks, new ID system & salaries only via banks. 6 Rewrite the Constitution to ensure full transparency, accountability & modern, standardized laws for all. 7 Liberalize economy à la Sweden, reform to save all 4 sick pillars of democracy & agriculture, make India greener & stop pollution. 8 Lifetime bar for all convicted for 6 m/more from all elections. 9 Laws for 0 discrimination, to reform working of politicians, parties & bureaucrats.10 State funding of parties based on the no of seats won at panchayat, municipal, state & LS elections,100% tranparency for donations.11 A 2-term ceiling for PM & P.12 New laws to ensure100% equality & protection for women, minimum wages, fair land reforms, social justice, environment-friendly, sustainable growth & via monogamy & fp stop population explosion.13 New social security for the disabled, children & old.14 Total welfare, health scheme & insurance for all.15 New day & nightcares, leisure centers for children & youth & homes for seniors & destitutes.16 Make education modern, free & compulsory.17 Build1 school & library per1k residents.18 Make the ratio of the lowest & highest salaries in the public sector1:5.19 Microloan to the deserving. 20 Reverse brain & resource-drain & save farmers, producers & retailers from FDI-aftermath & justice to Sikhs & others for all genocides since1947. 21 0 tolerance to crimes, case settlement within1 month per court. 22 Ban bandhs etc causing production-loss. 23 New laws to improve democracy, election system, work culture & safety & security for all. 24 New export, import & foreign policies to secure welfare, borders, peace & fight terrorism. 25 Improve R&D, planning, housing, transport, railways, storage, quality of air, water, food, medicines & consumer-rights. 26 Promote national unity, communal harmony, inventions, small & big industries, IT, culture, mass-media, literature, film, art etc. 27 Modernize defence & make its industry no1 in the world to create jobs & deter & India must join NATO & UNSC. 28 New premium for tax-payers & whistleblowers for a100% system-change. 29 Build 500 m low-cost houses & toilets. 30 Clean-India drive. Let's thus make our India the richest, most powerful & best welfare nation!

WHY THIS PROBLEM? Our 100% criminal, anti-India & anti-Indian politicians 1947-2013 have corrupted India to the core ("Yatha raja, tatha praja.") & created the world's largest poverty - at least 30% bpl now & one of them has simultaneously become the 4th richest politician in the world! They're responsible for all forms of corruption incl nepotism, almost 100% criminalized & paralyzed politics, bureaucracy, unemployment, illiteracy, very poor standards of life, education, healthcare, extremely poor infrastructure etc. Most cities, towns & villages lack enough electricity, clean water, good roads, IT, other essential services etc even now. They've created history's biggest brain & resource drain, sky-high inflation, very poor defence, terrorism, bad plannings, lack of opportunities for a decent life, all kinds of socio-ecomnomic & political problems like casteism, communalism, extremism etc. They've caused all environmental issues incl polluted air, water & adulterated food causing cancer, asthma, NDM-1 etc & serious law & order problems incl mafias & syndicates terrorizing citizens. Via omissions & commissions, they've made sure that there is no child & seniorcare worth the name, almost 0 achievement in sports & games, neglected our culture, values, national unity & integration, agriculture, industry, R&D, IT etc. It happened only because our politicians've been & still are plundering the earmarked funds. Via all world records in corruption & regressive laws, they've reduced our once richest nation into a poor oligarchic kleptocracy, lunatic asylum & wasteland fit only for thugs to live in. Corruption & oppression 24x7 are the only things they are good at, born & live for. These financial terrorists are now striving to destroy our economy even further & thereby also our nation. They're thus a direct threat to the personal safety, security & welfare of all Indians. The bloodsuckers're doing nothing that politicians must & everything they shouldn't. The fact that a corrupt foreigner is ruling India today proves how 100% useless & destroyed our country & all its systems really are. It's the root cause of all our problems today. Nepotistic & malevolent dynasties have been & are our biggest corruptors & destroyers. India is victim of their conspiracy to keep it permanently problem-riddled & thereby poor. All our systems, incl all 4 pillars of democracy, stand almost 100% corrupted & destroyed now. All our politicians & parties've completely failed us. Lawlessness, anarchy & mayhem prevail, tarnishing our image, repelling investors & resulting in almost 0 production. We cannot prosper via only services. Our national interests are being sacrificed & vital natural resources plundered. Nothing in India works now as it ought to. We're thus facing unprecedented extreme dangers of all kinds. No nation can survive the ongoing steady & sure decline. Hence the immediate necessity to devise an adequate national strategy for holistic leadership & system changes.

 

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SEE THE FOUNTAIN-HEAD & ROOT CAUSE OF THIS & ALL OTHER MAIN PROBLEMS IN INDIA NOW! PROGRESS REPORT - UPA: 1_Jeep_Scandal_2_Haridas_Mundhra_Scandal_ 3_K_D_Malaviya_Oil_Scandal_4_1971_Nagarwala_Scandal_ 5_Sukhna_Land_Scandal_6_Oil_for_Food_Programme_Scam_ 7_Palmolein_Oil_Scam_ 8_IPO_Scam_9_Mining_Scams_ 10_Bitumen_Scam_11_Cement_Scandal_12_IPL_Scam_ 13_Animal_Husbandry_Scam_14_Satyam_Software_Services_Scam 15_Tansi_Land_Scam_16_ULIP_Insurance_Scam_ 17_Cash_For_Votes_Scandal_18_RBG_Resources_Scam_ 19_Bangalore__Mysore_Infra_Corridor_Fraud_20_Bofors_Scam_ 21_Haji_Scams_22_Animal_Fodder_Scam_23_Human_Trafficking_Scam_24_Churhat_Lottery_Scam_ 25_Telgi_Stamp_Papers_Scam_26_Urea_Scam_ 27_St_Kitts_Forgery_28_Anantnag_Transport_Subsidy_Scam_ 29_Yugoslav_Dinar_Scam_30_Uday_Goyal_Agrotech_Scam_ 31_Emaar_Scam_32_Spiritual_Guru_Scams_ 33_HDW_Submarine_Scandal_34_Kashmir_Sex_Racket_Scam_ 35_Land_Acqu_Scams_on_name_of_SEZ_with_harassment_false_cases_ 36_Pro_Fund_Scam_with 37_Ketan_Parek_Stock_Market_Scam_38_Bansali_Scam_ 39_Cobbler_and_Shoes_Scam_40_Nagarjuna_Finance_Scam_ 41_Dalmia_DSQ_Software_Scam_42_UTI_Scam_ 43_Uday_Goyal_Scam_44_Letter_of_Credit_(LOC)_Scam_ 45 _Sanjay_Agrawal_Home_Trade_Scam.Scam_46_LIC_Insurance_Scam_ 47_Harshad_Mehta_Stock_Market_Scam_48_Suflam_Sujalam_Scam_ 49_Madhavpura_Mercantile_Co_Bank_(MMCB)_Scam_50_Hawala_Transaction_Scams_ 51_Global_Trust_Bank_Scam_ 53_Charminar_Co_Urban_Bank_(CCUB)_Scam_ 53_Vasavi_Bank_Scam_54_Krushi_Co_Urban_Bank_(KCUB)_Scam_ 55_Prud_Bank_Scam_56_Nagpur_District_Central_Co_Bank_(NDCCB)_Scam_ 57_2010_housing_loan_scam_58_Sugar_Import_Scam_ 59_Preferential_Allotment_Scam_60_Meghalaya_Forest_Scam_ 61_Fertiliser_Import_Scam_62_Telecom_Scam_ 63_SNC_Lavalin_Power_Project_Scam_64_Teak_Plantation_Swindle_Scam_ 66_Scorpene_Submarine_Scam_66_Taj_Corridor_Scam_ 67_Army_Ration_Pilferage_Scam_68_State_Bank_of_Saurashtra_Scam_ 69_Flood_Relief_Scam_70_Rice_Export_Scam_ 70_Bulletproof_Jackets_Scam_71_MCD_Pension_Scam_ 73_AICTE_Scam_74_Medical_Council_of_India(MCI)_Scam_ 75_Rail_Recruitment_Scam_76_NREGA_Scam_ 77_Siachen_Scam_79_J_&_K_Milk_Scam_80_Gorshkov_Scam_81_MPLAD_Scam_ 81_Public_Distribution_System(PDS)_Scam_82_Rajya_Sabha_Vote_Scam_ 83_Cash_for_Questions_in_Parliament_Scam_ 84_City_Limouzine_&_Realcom_Scam__85_CWG_SCAM_ 86_Adarsh_Housing_Society_Scam__87_2G_spectrum_scam 88_Tax_Evasion_Scam_ 89_KG_Basin_AIR_INDIA_Scam 90_ISRO_Devas_S_band_Devas_Antrix_deal__ 91_Madhu_Koda_laundering_money_4000_Cr 92_Enron_power_project_Maharashtra 93_Petrol_pump_and_gas_agencies_scam 94_Feb_2012_NATIONAL_SOLAR_PLAN_SCAM_13000CR NDA:1_Kargil_Coffin_scam_2_Barak_Missile__3_Balekeri_Port_scam(Karnataka)_ 4_Banglore_Land_scam__5_Bellary_Scam__ 6_Ekal_Vidyalaya_Scam_1999__7_Chattisgarh_Corruption_Scandal_2003 8_Development_Fund_(MPLADS_Scheme)_Scam 9_Petrol_pump_and_gas_agencies_scam 10_Cattle_feed_fraud 11_Scam_in_Anganwadi_centres 12_Rs500_crore_SSY_scam 13_Indigold_Refinery_land_scam...SOLUTION: A COMPLETE LEADERSHIP & SYSTEM CHANGE.

SEE WHO ALL ARE ON THIS NOTORIOUS LIST EXPOSED BY WIKILEAKS ON 02-08-2011!
"Name Amount [INR cr] Name of Bank Number of Accounts

1 Prabodh Mehta 28000 LGT bank of Leichenstein 2 Main (5 sub) 2 Chintan Gandhi 1956 LGT bank of Leichenstein 1 Main (3 sub) 3 Arun Mehta 2500 LGT bank of Leichenstein 1 Main 4 Ramdev Paswan 3500 Union Bankaire Privee UBP 1 Main 5 Neera Radiya 289990 UBS 4 Main (13 sub) 6 Rajeev Gandhi 198000 UBS 7 Main (25 sub) 7 Naresh Goyal 145600 Bank CA St. Gallen AG 25 Main (3 sub) 8 M K Stalin 10500 Alternative Bank ABS 10 Main (5 sub) 9 Manoj Dhupelia 9850 LGT Bank of Leichestein 2 Main 95 sub) 10 A Raja 7800 Aareal Bank AG 1 Main (3 sub) 11 Harshad Mehta (D) 135800 UBS AG 13 sub 12 SS Palanimanickam 4800 Rothschild Bank AG 1 Main (4 sub) 13 Ketan Parekh 8200 Bank COOP AG 5 Main (2 sub) 14 Paban Singh Ghatowar 3908 Bank aek Genossenschaft 2 Main (1 sub) 15 Rendezvous Sports World 29800 Aargauische Kantonal Bank 5 Main (17 sub) 16 HD Kumaraswamy 14500 Bank Frei & Co. AG 1 Main (25 sub) 17 CP Krishnan Nair 4520 B I Di Investimenti 1 Main 18 Laloo Prasad Yadav 29800 AKB P Bank, Zurich AG 2 Main (1 sub) 19 J M Scindia 9000 Bank EEK AG 5 Main (3 sub) 20 Kalanidhi Maran 15000 Clariden Leu AG 15 sub 21 Karunanidhi 35000 Baloise Bank Soba 8 Main (sub) 22 Sarath Pawar 28000 Alternative Bank ABS 4 Main (7 sub) 23 Suresh Kalmadi 5900 UBS 4 Main (5 sub) 24 Chithambaram 32000 Rothschild AG 19 sub 25 Raj Foundation 189008 LGT Bank of Leichestein 1 Main (45 sub) 26 Urvashi Foundation 289745 LGT Bank of Leichestein 2 Main (95 sub) 27 Ambrunova Trust 17658 LGT Bank of Leichestein 1 Main (13 sub) 28 Arun Kochar 15450 LGT Bank of Leichestein 14 sub 29 Prabodh Mehta 1480 LGT Bank of Leichestein 1 Main." Besides these, there are, according to WikiLeaks, "more than 985 names" that have swindled trillions.1. Why are not even these 29 suspected financial terrorists, who were exposed as early as 02-08-2011, probed yet? Letting them escape, if guilty, is itself a crime. 2. This & other corruptions prove that India today is in fact an oligarchic kleptocracy & not at all any refined democracy. 3. How come UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi, pm Man Mohan Singh & fm Chidambaram are hiding the HSBC list & the list of "more than 985 names" from us, the citizens? 4. How come SG, who incurs our tax payers 2 times (INR 5 bn) Queen Elizabeth's expenditure, unlike all our other politicians, is refusing to declare her incomes & assets? Wherever there is opacity, there is bound to be corruption. Especially in a country like ours, with all the existing world records in corruption & graft. 5.The only rational conclusion: they &/their kith & kin are on those lists & therefore they are suppressing it for fear of what the people will do to them, if it came out. THE ONE & THE ONLY REAL SOLUTION: A DEMOCRATICALLY CORRECT, COMPLETE LEADERSHIP & SYSTEM CHANGE! So, wake up while you still may, my dear sisters & brothers! PLEASE SPREAD THIS AMONG ALL YOUR KITH & KIN, THANKS!

LOOTED INDIAN MONEY in Swiss banks, other tax havens & invested abroad 1947-2012: about $100 trillion (FC). Looted money invested in India in real estate, shares, businesses etc by our corrupt politicians & their kith & kin: about 100 trillion USD. " IGI Airport scam = $32 billion(FC) Coal Mining Scam = $213 billion(FC) Karnataka Wakf Board Land Scam = $39 billion(FC) Andhra Pradesh land scam = $20 billion(FC) Service Tax and Central Excise Duty fraud = $3.82 billion(FC) Gujarat PSU financial irregularities = $3.39 billion(FC) Maharashtra stamp duty scam = $126 million(FC) Highway scam = $13.97 million(FC) Ministry of External Affairs gift scam = $100,000(FC) Himachal Pradesh pulse scam = $200,000/month(FC) Flying Club fraud = $38 million(FC) Jammu and Kashmir Cricket Association scam = $10 million (MC) Punjab paddy scam = $3.59 million(FC) Arvind Joshi and Tinu Joshi = $50 million(FC) Uttar Pradesh seed scam = $9.98 million(FC) (2011 - 1948) Obsolete French Fighter Jets = $11 billion(FC) NHRM = $2 billion(BC) Goa mining scam = $700 million(FC) Noida Corporation farm land scandal = $40 million(SC) Bellary mines scandal = $3.2 billion(FC) BL Kashyap EPFO Scam = $118 million(FC) Hasan Ali Khan = $8 billion(MC) ISRO-Devas = $300 million(FC) Cash-for-votes = $715,000(FC) 2G spectrum scam/Radia Tapes = $6.9 billion(BC) Adarsh Housing Society(FC) Commonwealth Games = $15.5 billion(FC) LIC Housing Loan scam = $200 million(FC) Belekeri port = $12 billion(FC) Lavasa = $80 million(FC) Uttar Pradesh Food Grain = $44 billion(BC) APIIIC = $2 billion(FC) IPL Cricket = $8 billion(FC) Madhu Koda = $800 million(SC) UIDAI = $1 billion(FC) Vasundhara Raje land scam = $4.4 billion(FC) Satyam = $1 billion(FC) Scorpene Deal = $10 million(FC) Oil-for-food programme (Natwar Singh) = $10 billion(FC) Gegong Apang PDS = $200 million(ST) Taj corridor = $44 million(SC) Ketan Parekh = $200 million(FC) Barak Missile = $200 million(FC) Calcutta Stock Exchange = $2 million(FC) Cobbler scam = $214 million(FC) Sukh Ram = $5 million(FC) SNC Lavalin = $10 million(FC) Advani Hawala = $18 million(FC) Bihar fodder = $211 million(BC) C R Bhansali = $200 million(FC) Pickle bribes = $20,000(FC) Telgi scam = $4.46 billion(MC) JMM bribes = $59,000(FC) Sugar import = $130 miillion(MC) Harshad Mehta = $800 million(FC) Indian Bank = $260 million(FC) Bofors = $400 million(FC) HDW commissions = $4 million(FC) Antulay = $6 million(FC) Nagarwala = $1 million(FC) Haridas Mundhra = $10 million(FC) Kuo oil scandal = $440,000(FC) Teja loans = $5 million(FC) BHU = $100,000(FC) Jeep scandal = $160,000(FC) Coal-Gate Scam 36$ billion(FC) Granite Minint Tamil Nadu =$3.5 billion(FC) Maharastra irrigation Scam = $7.5 billion (FC)..." Google & see Wikipedia's "List of scandals in India", add the latest ones & spread it among all voters, thanks! REMEMBER THAT IT IS OUR HARD-EARNED MONEY THAT CAN HAVE BEEN LOOTED! SOLUTION: LEADERSHIP & SYSTEM CHANGE.

 

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We have not taken a single action against these ppl. Our govt wanted to give such ppl an opportunity to declare their assets and escape prosecution. Our Delhi High Court had to issue a notice to all hospitals and Police not to turn away rape and accident victims? Sergi, does it take 50 yrs to do this very basic act? Where is the common sense?


At the end of the day, the Maoists have proven to be more better organized and more active. Hands down. YOu can crib about how democracy is slow and not perfect but India its worse. There is no more excuses. The fact that our govt fails to act is a key problem. As China evolved, im sure the Naxalites can change also. Fast track courts have been suggested since Independence Sergi. Its not because we are slow, its because our govt is corrupt and has not intention of giving us justice. Wake up man. You are only fooling yourself if you think this is great.

 

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As for the Salva Judum, Its not that I disagree with the action. But when you use such forces then you only alienate more ppl. Thats not what we are trying to do here right? As for the activist, well the courts proved there was no evidence and the security forces fabricated the evidence? So where is the justice? You seem to have a blind eye to this and the action taken against civil activists. If a lot of ppl are complaining, and then I think its a resaonable assumption to think there is wrongs that need to be corrected. Yet, these issues keep getting sidelined.


Its quite funny you think war is sweet and nice? Come on man, wake up. The reason we are reluctant to use air power, is because it our ppl and at the end of the day, our gov;t is the MAIN REASON THEY TOOK TO ARMS IN THE FIRST PLACE. The mistreatment of ppl will only go on for so long. Maoists and Naxalites started as individual groups but they were attracted to each other for support. I don;t give a damn anout Maoism. I only care about our ppl. The biggest cuprit is our govt and till yuou get that thru your head, then you are living in a dream. Maybe democracy is not the best course for us at this point. Maybe we should concentrate on building up the ppl to a point where they can fully embrace democracy. Just a suggestion.

As for the link on Dantewada, there is a reference to mining. You have to read it buddy. Its under "repercussions." The problem is you attacking this issue without an open mind. You have to consider all angles. The one issue I identify the most is that our govt is fuked up. Only you accept that, then we cannot change for the better.

 

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We have not taken a single action against these ppl. Our govt wanted to give such ppl an opportunity to declare their assets and escape prosecution.

Nobody is defending them. Govt can delay that but can't avoid. GOI's interest in hiding that is world known. Do I need to write why ??? Or at any point my argument defened these ppl ??? I don't think so

does it take 50 yrs to do this very basic act? Where is the common sense?

Yes, it does. And it will take more 20/30 years for implementing most of thinks in DPSP. And about 40 years to all. Is that a surprise for you ??? You dig up all these data on Mao fans why not something on Indian govt ???
- Indian govt was struggling till 1974 to meet the food need of its population. Situation changed only after "Green revolution". So basically our govt. was fighting for food till 25 years after INDEPENDANCE. All the wars , economy revolving around mansoon and primary sector and on on and on. Won't go in detail you get the idea.
- our financial position was such that after the fall of USSR , world bank denied any assistance to India in 1991. It was only after 1996 we were is some good condition and world starts investing in us after we open our economy in 1991.

At the end of the day, the Maoists have proven to be more better organized and more active.

so is Taliban. your point ???
If you have forget let me remind you what the better organised and more active Mao and his followers did in China. Or you too belive in ethical cleansing under some funny name "cultural revolution" ?

And please explain to me in what ??? Killing people and police. Blowing up schools and hospitals. Kidnapping doctors and admin works. Burning infra development tools ???
Where else they have shown their organisation skills and activity log ??? Educate me on that

YOu can crib about how democracy is slow and not perfect but India its worse. There is no more excuses. The fact that our govt fails to act is a key problem

You have a solution for that ??? Naxal's evolving ??? Man that's a joke. Keep me posted then that happens.
You do understand that these guies and their organisation is almost 50 years old. They can't spread their ideology outside jungles. They can do it only by convincing people and not by killing people. Guess what why they haven't done that ??? Waiting for evolution

Fast track courts have been suggested since Independence Sergi. Its not because we are slow, its because our govt is corrupt and has not intention of giving us justice. Wake up man. You are only fooling yourself if you think this is great.

And so are all the points in DPSP.
Where did I defende govt ??? I am defending democracy. Two total diffrent things.
Wake up ??? Really so what you suggesting me. Take some arms and kill the currup govt ???
You are avoiding this from the start of our argument. How killing solves the problem ???
Sorry but I don't belive in "Revolution is brought though the bloodshed"

BTW: what are you suggesting ??? India becoming a communist country under our great Naxal leaders ???

 

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As for the Salva Judum, Its not that I disagree with the action. But when you use such forces then you only alienate more ppl. Thats not what we are trying to do here right?

I hope you know Salva Judam is a local force. Yes I agree they do some Atrocites. Can you guess why they did it ??? It was a pay back for the all long torture. And if you think these things alienating people then what about killings of village people on the charges of being police informers ??? Is that the act of bonding ??? Salva Judam was a success and it was only because people living in that area were ready to fight these Mao fans given the apportunity. So that mean your Mao fans were not able to convince their objective to the ground on which they were standing. Finally they need help of judiciary to close it down. They couldn't do that by themselves.

As for the activist, well the courts proved there was no evidence and the security forces fabricated the evidence? So where is the justice? You

No evidance No punishment. You want me to tell that court find the evidance fake and still punish the activist ???
Give me the verdict. I want to study it. You are making a big claim rather allegation And if you said something like this in public life , it's a contempt of court. And if you think justice is not served. Why not go to upper court ??? Or you want to say the activist who managed to close down Salva Judam with the help of court isn't able to defence himself ??? When court shut down SJ its justice and when it punish the guilty proven its injustice ???

Its quite funny you think war is sweet and nice? Come on man, wake up

you think i was being funny ??? I was dam serious ans still is. tell me that when you attend the funeral of your friend hacked by these retard ideologies. Spare me atleast that lecture.
And why not ??? These idiots kill anybody at their will. Why not return some of their own medicine ???

The reason we are reluctant to use air power, is because it our ppl and at the end of the day, our gov;t is the MAIN REASON THEY TOOK TO ARMS IN THE FIRST PLACE

BS. Reasons are diffrent.
1. It's not in mandate of our Armed forces ( internal matter )
2. Govt can authirise the use of armed forces in internal matter but it highlight it on world level
3. So many innocent people will come in the line of fire

Maybe democracy is not the best course for us at this point.

Enlighten me on e best availbe course. Ppl to ppl bond can't run a village let alone the country. But I am really curious what are you suggesting.

As for the link on Dantewada, there is a reference to mining. You have to read it buddy. Its under "repercussions." The problem is you attacking this issue without an open mind. You have to consider all angles. The one issue I identify the most is that our govt is fuked up. Only you accept that, then we cannot change for the better

I read that. I want you to phrase it here. I have answer to that.
Where I have shown close mind ???
I am asking you in every post - how killing is gona solve problem ??? You have problems fight though system. Have problems with system convince people to stand up for the change. But how in the world killing anyone do that ???
And killing whom ??? Police , villagers ??? If they have that much balls why not take on any currupt political leader ? Or someone holding power. When the A.P.'s CM died in crash Maoist where quick to deny any involvement . That was true but why bother to deny. Simple reason they don't want the full scale attention.
Again, what's better option you have ??? Enlighten us. And you sure these Mao fans of yours will be diffrent from the idiot govt we are having right now ???

They are blind. They oppose anything that is connected to US just for the reason that US is enemy of communism. Man even nuclear deal. And you want to trust Indian governance with them ??? It's a joke ???

 

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Sergi I think our posts ave opened this debate to a much higher degree than our own Indian media! Its good to see all the points good and bad on both sides. Taking the violent approach is usually the lesser of two evils but many times its the path that has to be taken. Sad but true. In fact, you can see this approach in India's historical fight for Independence. Now let me bring to why our govt has been hijacked and the powers that be, won;t give up their control. Democracy is going nowhere. Its the need of the hour and the elite, civilians, the military, etc, wont let it go. So any debate on other options is pointless. Well, you could take ideas and incorporate into govt I guess. That would be a good benefit.


Anyway, Gov't as been the biggest destablizing factor in India. When I say Government, I am including all levels. Lately, our govt is carefully focused on social media and how it bring down India. Well, I agree but instead of focusing on right wing militant groups Hindu and Muslims, they are more obessed with social activitists and civil rights campaigns. Why? Do you think that is a threat to our democracy? I listed above a many points. I talked about the Chief Minister of a certain naxal afflicted state and how I have proof. Nobody cares bro. Not a single person. Not a single media personality. I pointed out the Wiki leaks that exposed all the names of those individuals with money in foreign banks. Look at the inaction our govt has taken. Why? Look at the money involved. Look at the scams? All this corruption is what is slowing down development my friend. Our developemnt of these areas will be half *** attempts. Nothing will change. At some point you got to wake up man. Maoists however bad they are, quite frankly provide me and others with a sense of hope that they would do things much better. Our govt has not been able to do anything. We have a long list of excuses but no answers why? The Green Revolution was helped in part by America but India failed to upkeep that revolution. We are not as bad as before but we have slipped backwards in agriculture. The economy not opening up doesnt prevent us from educating our masses and how to handle and grasp the world. What stopped us for 50 yrs from doing that much? Nothing bro just incompetence.




Let;s talk about Netajo Bose. There is a recent debate why we keep on pushing his death aside. Its almost as if certain powers don;t want him to be mentioned anymore. I suggest you read up on him.


Subhas Chandra Bose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mission Netaji is a Delhi-based Indian non-profit trust that conducts research on Subhas Chandra Bose's disappearance. Some documents the organisation has dug out have information connected to Bose's disappearance. This led to more documents that remain classified. Several Indian ministries, including the Indian Prime Minister's Office, have refused to make public the documents under the Right to Information Act campaign launched by Mission Netaji, on the ground that their disclosure will affect India's relations with foreign countrie



Why would our govt care about our foreign relations so much? He was one of us. One of our greatest countrymen, yet we do great dishonor to his legacy. Could we be concerned by our foreign relations with Russia or are certain powers in govt more concerned about themselves. Its something that has to be explored. But our govt will move at a snails pace, but ppl like you think that is acceptable. Sorry it isn;t in this day and age.I could understand being slow 200 yrs ago even a 100 yrs ago. But I can show you govts that were more effective back then also. We have tech now. Only excuses to back up our shortcomings doens;t solve anything.