Cousin marriages (we need to talk about this)

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

simple... i did it for my family and i continue to do it for them.

Well your issue is generally a matter your own personal choice. And it is really up to you to decide what you want to do. Marrige etc is 100% personal choice and I can't say anything what you can or should or should not do

That is why is it recommended for folks to marry when they can decide or age of decision making

However personally have seen many people who marry in their inner circle and are living a fantastic life

Similarly also folks who married outside of the circle and are living fantastic life

Cousins are not your direct blood line , only your real sister (which you can't marry obviously)


Birth defect Autism , obviously rising regardless if your baby is born from inner circle marrige or outer circle marrige (So I just debunked this theory right there)

PS: I have also seen lot of folks crash and burn in the so called perfect outer circle marriges

Bottomline : It is really up to you and her to have that special connection / attraction to make things work and this bond can happen in both inner circle or outer circle marriges

 

[qamar1990]

Okay but if you don't love her you need to stop this marriage, don't give someone the illusion of happiness if it doesn't exist.

my wife is happy and my family is happy. thats all that matters.

Well your issue is generally a matter your own personal choice. And it is really up to you to decide what you want to do. Marrige etc is 100% personal choice and I can't say anything what you can or should or should not do

However personally have seen many people who marry in their inner circle and are living a fantastic life

Similarly also folks who married outside of the circle and are living fantastic life

Cousins are not your direct blood line , only your real sister (which you can't marry obviously)

i dont care if people do it... im not saying out law it... i just think people shouldnt marry cousins. atleast not first cousins.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Yes that is all that matters "Husband / Wife" happy then what will PDF forum will do to change that

But for cousin marrige I think it is really up to individual decisions by individual people becasue there is no logical reason to not do it

Similarly same goes for outer circle marriges all about individual choice and attraction

 

[Samurai_assassin]

You are having a very childish view on things.

Do you find Gays and Lesbians disgusting as well? I doubt it. Even if you do, I doubt you are going to stop them. I find this disgusting too, but I'm not going to ban it unless it's a problem. And it only becomes a problem over generations, if there was a problem when it occurs even once it wouldn't be legal in most countries such as the UK smarty pants.

So you think anyone who marries someone within their own race is racist? Well done, you have broken the stupid charts.



Hence why I said in my first few lines that this problem affects a lot of countries. Heck it goes as far as South Africa!



It's less dangerous the more distant you go, but as I said before man, if you only do it once it's fine.



The thing is, since it's the result of marrying your cousin over generations, she might actually have the problem as well.



Can you please read my post to see how stupid your statement is? Thank you.



This needs to be one because if the practice continues over generations birth defects will go up and eventually we are going to be left embarrassed in front of the world along with many other nations.



Actually we have one of the highest.



But that's only if it occurs constantly over generations.



The risk is there for any marriage at all.

Children with Down's syndrome or autism can occure in any family. White Britis women who have children at later age in life have a higher risk of having children with Downes Stndrome. Autism can occure in any child.

 

[Hamza913]

But for cousin marrige I think it is really up to individual decisions by individual people becasue there is no logical reason to not do it

How many times do I have to tell you, THERE ARE PLENTY OF REASONS NOT TO DO IT IF ANYONE IN YOUR RECENT FAMILY HISTORY HAS ALREADY DONE SO!

Why India is darker in map. In brahmin community we don't even marry other brahmin girl who have same gotra.

My gotra is shandilya which mean all other people who have shandilya gotra are our relatives. Brahmin children get their gotra from his father.

India has plenty of cousin marriages in the south.

my wife is happy and my family is happy. thats all that matters.


i dont care if people do it... im not saying out law it... i just think people shouldnt marry cousins. atleast not first cousins.

Very noble of you sir.

It should be made illegal to do it several times over generations. But people will only accept it once they are educated.

 

[Zarvan]

Cousin Marriage is a disgusting practice, we need to illegalize it - I don't care what the Mullahs say. It has led to genetic/physical/mental degradation over the generations; we reverse this as Turkey has, but we'd need to stop the practice immediately.

I've read a dawn article informing how the average height decreased from 5'8/5'9 to 5'5.7.

While countries such as Turkey have banned this practice and reversed its effects.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...-finds.aspx?pageID=238&nID=7164&NewsCatID=339

It's allowed in Islam and we give a dam what you have to say. But yes Islam also encourages to have weddings outside families. In RASOOL SAW time most marriages used to take place outside families but won't never be illegalize it.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

It's allowed in Islam and we give a dam what you have to say. But yes Islam also encourages to have weddings outside families. In RASOOL SAW time most marriages used to take place outside families but won't never be illegalize it.

Pakistan needs to encourage cross cultural marriages such as Punjabis marrying Pashtuns, Sindis marrying Balochis, Kashmiris marrying punjabis etc....no doubt this occures occasionally but it should be openly promoted as it can create a sense of unity.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan needs to encourage cross cultural marriages such as Punjabis marrying Pashtuns, Sindis marrying Balochis, Kashmiris marrying punjabis etc....no doubt this occures occasionally but it should be openly promoted as it can create a sense of unity.

I agree it is happening now specially between Punjabi and Pathans but still less in Baloch and Sindhi

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

How are we Punjabis so different in this regard? In Jatt Sikh traditions, 2nd, 3rd cousins let alone first cousins are addressed as sister. Leave alone cousins, I can't even marry someone from the same Jatt tribe as my Mom, Dad, maternal and paternal grandmothers.

Is cousin marriage also prevalent in Pakistani Jatts? @save_ghenda

@Tea addict What about Haryana Jats?

Are you sure Sikhs don't marry their cousins? One authentic Punjabi guy was saying that cousin marriage is prevalent in Sikh community.

 

[haviZsultan]

Cousin Marriages are fine until you don't start doing it after one Generation after another and than another and so on. You should also do marriages outside your families. In RASOOL SAW time there were very few cousin marriages mostly were outside family.



Sorry free mixing not allowed and it would never allowed to please liberals and other fools. On the other hand Muslims need to start early marriages. As girls and boys reach age of 20 their parents should get them married I even know really rich parents who delay there children marriages for no reason and when children end up doing some sort of crap they are crying. As for cousin marriages they are allowed in Islam but ALLAH encourages Nikah which you can do with cousion or outside family doesn't matter.

See this is the problem with you. You interpret our beautiful Islam very narrowly. Even bringing your chauvinistic view to this relatively fun thread and besmirching it with orthodoxy. When Khadija RA worked as a businesswoman and was not told to stay at home while she dealt with male traders should be proof that male and female can mingle and respectably. These introductions of male female segregation came much after Islam was initially launched. Yet the more narrow minded the view the more we muslims tend to adopt it.

Look at the benefits of working women. If they work there will be extra money for the household, extra wealth and extra happiness. But in some parts of Pakistan women are still treated as chattel, a tool in the hands of brothers and fathers.

 

[Zarvan]

See this is the problem with you. You interpret our beautiful Islam very narrowly. Even bringing your chauvinistic view to this relatively fun thread and besmirching it with orthodoxy. When Khadija RA worked as a businesswoman and was not told to stay at home while she dealt with male traders should be proof that male and female can mingle and respectably. These introductions of male female segregation came much after Islam was initially launched. Yet the more narrow minded the view the more we muslims tend to adopt it.

Look at the benefits of working women. If they work there will be extra money for the household, extra wealth and extra happiness. But in some parts of Pakistan women are still treated as chattel, a tool in the hands of brothers and fathers.

First what Hazrat Khadija RA did was before Islam. Secondly that society was known for all sorts of Haram thirdly even in that society Hazrat Khadija RA hardly contacted with Male Traders herself. Thirdly he brother and father were alive and they mostly used to deal with other people also slaves she owned which were first slaves of her previous husbands. Thirdly after Islam vast majority of women don't used to work and those who did they did those work in which they hardly have to leave home. This is problem with you people who read one Islamiyat book which hardly has any knowledge hardly that often even has wrong.

 

[haviZsultan]

First what Hazrat Khadija RA did was before Islam. Secondly that society was known for all sorts of Haram thirdly even in that society Hazrat Khadija RA hardly contacted with Male Traders herself. Thirdly he brother and father were alive and they mostly used to deal with other people also slaves she owned which were first slaves of her previous husbands. Thirdly after Islam vast majority of women don't used to work and those who did they did those work in which they hardly have to leave home. This is problem with you people who read one Islamiyat book which hardly has any knowledge hardly that often even has wrong.

Then how did Khadija RA meet Muhammad SAW? If she did not contact males at all. This is an excuse to oppress women. In short I disagree. Women have equal rights as men in Islam. Not what you advocate.

 

[Zarvan]

Then how did Khadija RA meet Muhammad SAW? If she did not contact males at all. This is an excuse to oppress women. In short I disagree. Women have equal rights as men in Islam. Not what you advocate.

She didn't meet him. It was her slave who came and described him to her and what he did during the entire trip. She didn't met him until marriage day this is was in fact uncommon thing even in that society I mean before Islam. I don't need your agreement I follow Quran and Sunnah not liberals twisted meaning of equal rights.

 

[Śakra]

How are we Punjabis so different in this regard? In Jatt Sikh traditions, 2nd, 3rd cousins let alone first cousins are addressed as sister. Leave alone cousins, I can't even marry someone from the same Jatt tribe as my Mom, Dad, maternal and paternal grandmothers.

Is cousin marriage also prevalent in Pakistani Jatts? @save_ghenda

@Tea addict What about Haryana Jats?

This is same for all North Indians. South Indians marry their cousins tho.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Are you sure Sikhs don't marry their cousins? One authentic Punjabi guy was saying that cousin marriage is prevalent in Sikh community.

Sikhs do not marry their immediate cousins but have a strong tendency to marry within their cast such as Jatt.

I agree it is happening now specially between Punjabi and Pathans but still less in Baloch and Sindhi

I've heard the accusation and discredit assumptions by some in the wider circles of society that Pakistanis have a low IQ due to cousin marriages. This is a complete false statement. In Britian the reson for poor education attainment levels by certain sections within the British Pak community directly comes down to a lack of intervention by parents. In most cases the father will most likely be employed as a taxi driver or work in the catering/food industry whilst the mother will be a housewife. Both parents wil have a deep concern for their extended family in Pakistan and make regular visits. At times this can have an impact on engaging in any interest with their own children. Due to this absence of not engaging in their childs academic studies (speaking with teachers attendin parents meetings) the children grow older without any real guidance or interest and gain very poor attainment levels. This cycle continues with the next generation. This is why many British Pakistanis are not employed in top white collar managerial positions.