Could BD deploy air defence destroyer in rivers?

[arp2041]

Bd is inducting uss enterprise soon....in order to form carrier task force it will require aegis destroyers...it's a need not choice

 

[Genesis]

Thanks for your thoughts.

Yes I have considered depth as the Brahmaputra
,which looks like the ideal river, is on average 38 m deep.

Camouflage is a good point you make. Yes, SAM systems could be hidden in forests, whereas a destroyer cannot.

WW2 may not be be the best analogy as the ships did not have guns with such long-range guns as the modern long-range SAMs.

Range doesn't matter, as long as they know what it is, they can stay away from it. But they can't stay away from a place where they must be in. I'm not sure how Bangledesh actually is structured, but are the rivers covering all the key posts? A SAM can be anywhere.

Another important thing to consider is the people needed to handle a SAM system isn't that many, to lose one is not the end of the world. 64 missiles would be on a 052D, plus the sensors and the hull. Most importantly too many people would be on a ship, and the lose of life would be huge.

This is the reason 071 and San Antonio class are not bigger. Imagine the loses if just one is lost.

 

[arp2041]

OK. Enough with the jokes..

Who started it first?

 

[Arthur]

My friend, you want a mobile air defence system?
Just buy some S or HQ series systems.

But if you are insistent on a river mobile system just put a search & track radar on the largest ferri you can manage. Bam, mobile riverine air defense radar.

Having a destroyer retrofitted to use in river is just pure waste in my opinion. Land based systems are good enough.

 

[Nilgiri]

The one big advantage is that it's radar and SAM systems could theoretically engage targets over nearly all of BD from middle of BD.

Of course the ship would be vulnerable to missile/plane attacks, but it would also have protection from other SAMs and fighter aircraft,
as well as it's own strong defences.

I know the idea may sound crazy but the benefit may just outweigh the cost due to BD's unique geography, assuming no real technical bar.

I dont think there is enough space underneath padma bridge bro:

It will be just south of Dhaka right?

 

[UKBengali]

Range doesn't matter, as long as they know what it is, they can stay away from it. But they can't stay away from a place where they must be in. I'm not sure how Bangledesh actually is structured, but are the rivers covering all the key posts? A SAM can be anywhere.

Another important thing to consider is the people needed to handle a SAM system isn't that many, to lose one is not the end of the world. 64 missiles would be on a 052D, plus the sensors and the hull. Most importantly too many people would be on a ship, and the lose of life would be huge.

This is the reason 071 and San Antonio class are not bigger. Imagine the loses if just one is lost.

Assuming the technical changes can be made on the radar, then it looks like the biggest issue is the loss of such an expensive asset(+ people).

BD is so small that a Type-052D can cover virtually all
of BD if placed in middle of country.

 

[UKBengali]

Not even 1 DAM constructed from past 46yrs to STORE waste WATER and CONTROL FLOODING every year, boasting "air-defence destroyer at Brahmuputra river in times of war?"

No doubt lungis are best pole Walters and a JOKE

Comeon...

I am talking about the technical feasibility here.

Dont troll if you have nothing to contribute.

 

[alaungphaya]

BD is so small that a Type-052D can cover virtually all
of BD if placed in middle of country.

But you can buy the same SAM system that is on a destroyer for cheaper and deploy that instead of deploying a whole ship in a scenario it was not built for.

 

[Nilgiri]

@UKBengali ignore my padma bridge comment. I did some data look up and the ship should be able to pass through. Should not be an issue I think.

 

[UKBengali]

I dont think there is enough space underneath padma bridge bro:

It will be just south of Dhaka right?

Good point but the bridge is 120m in height.

More than enough as the clearance under bridge should be around 1/3rd that.

Remember that Padma Bridge will be designed for large passenger ships to pass under that carry hundreds of people.

But you can buy the same SAM system that is on a destroyer for cheaper and deploy that instead of deploying a whole ship in a scenario it was not built for.

That is true.

However, BD has the problem that a SAM system
will most likely have to be in a fixed location due to lack of land.

Also if the radar can be modified to work over both
land and sea, then you also have the flexibility of the use
of a normal ship.

 

[Nilgiri]

Good point but the bridge is 120m in height.

Actually that height includes the submerged piles (i.e total structural height).

The width of the bridge is 18 m so obviously what is above the water is not 120 m (looking at the ratios).

So I am having my doubts again since the 52D beam is listed at 18 m and its height looks taller than that beam.

Beam being the width of the ship.

Is there a middle section which much greater height on the bridge?

Its not looking promising from this video:

Look how big that train is in comparison to the bridge. It will let barges through and many other sorts of ships....but not a tall destroyer with AESA radar mast I think.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

Why would we need destroyers into rivers? Destroyers are used for deep sea strikes, whereas corvettes are the ones that are used to patrol and defend sea lines close to land. If we need an air defence system, we can just put one on land that covers the rivers as well as nearby lands.

 

[UKBengali]

Actually that height includes the submerged piles (i.e total structural height).

The width of the bridge is 18 m so obviously what is above the water is not 120 m (looking at the ratios).

So I am having my doubts again since the 52D beam is listed at 18 m and its height looks taller than that beam.

Beam being the width of the ship.

Ok. Without much more research we wont know for sure.

 

[kaykay]

Yesterday OP was attacking India with his 160 4++/5 gen aircrafts and now he is operating Aegis destroyers in rivers. He keeps exposing his Intellectual disability from time to time.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yesterday OP was attacking India with his 160 4++/5 gen aircrafts and now he is operating Aegis destroyers in rivers. He keeps exposing his Intellectual disability from time to time.

Relax, treat it as a humour subforum.

That is what I plan to do from now on....and go with the flow in the hypothetical dream worlds.