So low caste hindus don't study because of culture?
yes...
Acording to latest report low caste hindus are 4th class and muslims 5th class citizens in India.
what about the Sikhs who are ridiculed in all corners??
The report is called Sachar committe report here are the main findings
*Most of the variables indicate that Muslim-OBCs are significantly deprived in comparison to Hindu-OBCs. The work participation rate (WPR) shows the presence of a sharp difference between Hindu-OBCs (67%) and the Muslims. --> they are lazy..
*The share of Muslim-OBCs in government/ PSU jobs is much lower than Hindu-OBCs. --> this is could be because of discrimination or that they are not qualified
*There are about 5 lakh registered Wakfs with 600,000 acres (2,400 km²) land and Rs 6,000 crore book value. --> 600,000 acres is more like equivent to 600,000 crores...
*The presence of Muslims has been found to be only 3% in the IAS, 1.8% in the IFS and 4% in the IPS. --> where merit is the main criteria
*Muslim parents are not averse to mainstream education or to send their children to affordable Government schools. --> The access to government schools for children of Muslim parents is limited. this is govt failure since they don't have schools for Muslims in muslim majority areas
*Substantially larger proportion of the Muslim households in urban areas are in the less than Rs.500 expenditure bracket. --> because they don't have high paying jobs why? because they are not qualified
Responses from Muslims Politicians..
Syed Shahabuddin,the former MP from Janata Dal says Sachar Committee has collected the facts and figures more than suffice. But it should have put forward some concrete resolution like Minority Reservation.
BJP representative Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi has said
Sachar committee was created for vote-bank reasons. It was designed to serve a political purpose especially ahead of the Uttar Pradesh assembly elections."
THank you
And don't tell this is culture thing because it's not, and Dalits are facing discrimination for thousands of years but at least now they get reservations in schools unlike muslims.
have you read my posts and links?
Muslims in India, the bulk of whom are of indigenous origin converted from lower castes and S.Cs., have been subjected to neglect and exclusionary discriminatory treatment largely because of the shadow of Partition and partly because of strong sub-group loyalties found in the Hindu society organized on the basis of a rigid caste system
Reservation For Muslim in Andhra Pradesh | TwoCircles.net
Andhra Pradesh government provided four percent reservation to socially and educationally backward Muslims in jobs and educational institutions by replacing the ordinance providing the same with AP Reservation (in favour of socially and educationally-backward Muslims) bill 2007 on Monday.
Though only 15 classes (include 80-85 % of Muslim population) have been included to take the benefit of the reservation quota as was identified by the AP backward classes commission. Act does not include the upper-caste Muslims like Bohras, Khojas, Mughals, Pathans and Syyeds.
4 percent reservation for socially educationally backward Muslims in AP
Caste-based reservation will harm Muslims: Aariz Mohammed
the criticism that creamy layers within Muslim will get all the benefits and those who really need reservation will continue to suffer
: First of all, Muslims have the highest drop out rate among school age children. This is because they do not have enough schools in Muslim majority areas. Secondly, a large majority think that there is enough discrimination against them that they will not get any jobs so what is the use of studying.
First thing we have to do is to change our mindset. Our Holy Book started with the first word which was âread.â? If we donât do anything to make sure our community members read then what kind of Muslim are we?
Second thing is that financially Muslims here are in really bad shape. Muslims who are in better position economically should sponsor or support others. They should help in the establishment of schools in Muslim areas. They should come forward to sponsor Muslim kids for their education.
Caste-based reservation will harm Muslims: Aariz Mohammed | TwoCircles.net
Once Kuldip Nayar, the doyen of secular journalists in India, pointed out to me the near absence of Muslims from all posh Delhi residential colonies, though there were some Muslims who could afford the cost.
As the National Commission for Religious and Linguistic Minorities has recommended, inter alia, reservation of seats and posts for religious minorities in education and public employment the bogey of its unconstitutionality and the slogan of secularism in danger is bound to be raised by not only the Sangh Parivar but the secular intellectual and political class, and the judiciary.
Muslim quota & Hindu fear of national disintegration | TwoCircles.net
he Tamil Nadu government has cleared the decks to promulgate an ordinance to introduce reservations for Christians and Muslims of backward caste denominations to the extent of 3.5 percent each from Sep 14, Chief Minister Muthuvel Karunanidhi announced here Thursday.
Now caste-based reservations for Tamil Nadu minorities | TwoCircles.net
In AP, Karnataka and Tamilnadu, Muslims have established hundreds of educational institutions including professional colleges. There are 3 medical colleges in AP, 40 engineering colleges and 100 MBA/MCA colleges run by muslims. The fees is fixed by govt at Rs 26 -30000 for Engineering, MBA, MCA p.a.The tragedy is there are less muslim students than the available seats.
The reason being, out of 2 lakh odd students who complete X standard, Muslims are less than 10%. By the stage of XII they are further reduced. In AP there is an Entrance test for admission to professional course after XII. Only 6000 students qualify when there are 8000 available seats.
Engineering/MBA/MCA Muslim Seats Lying Vacant In S India | Indian Muslims
I have tried to show, with the help of interviews, oral histories as well as statistics, that although the Backward Caste/Dalit Muslims form the overwhelming majority among the Muslims of Bihar, they are victims of pervasive discrimination and, on the whole, are economically and educationally extremely marginalized. The state has done little, if anything, for them, and, instead, has sought to promote ashraf or so-called 'upper' caste Muslims, who form only a small minority among the Muslims, as Muslim 'leaders'. I tried to highlight the nexus between the state and the so-called ashraf political and religious leadership in Bihar, a phenomenon that can be observed in other parts of India as well. This explains, as I have shown, how under various governments in Bihar non-ashraf Muslims have hardly received any representation, whether in successive ministries or in government services. Most of the few Muslims who have been so represented have been from the so-called ashraf, and they do little, if at all, for the non-ashraf Muslims, being hardly concerned about their plight at all. In addition, I have highlighted the fact that in large parts of Bihar the Backward Caste/Dalit Muslims continue to face social discrimination at the hands of both self-styled ashraf Muslims as well as so-called 'upper' caste Hindus. I have shown how the leadership of large Muslim religious organizations is almost completely in the hands of the so-called ashraf Muslims.
Ali Anwar's Struggle By Ali Anwar &Yoginder Sikand
The Congress Government in Andhra Pradesh announced a 5% reservation for Muslims in educational institutions as well as in jobs. This has been done by creating category E for Muslims, as there already exists categories A, B, C and D for "backward classes." The reason for creating the category E for Muslims seems to be that Muslims in A.P. are extremely backward and poor. The order for reservation cited that in A.P. about 65 per cent of Muslims live below the poverty line whose annual income is less than Rs.11,000/-. It also says that 16% of Muslims in A.P. live below the double poverty line whose annual income is below Rs.4,500/-.
Where there is poverty there is widespread illiteracy. The literacy rate in A.P. is around 18 per cent among men and is abysmally low -- 4 per cent -- among women. Thus Muslims are worse than dalits all over India in general and in A.P. in particular. It should open the eyes of those who keep accusing Islam of spreading through sword and that Muslim rulers were busy spreading Islam and breaking Hindu idols. Large parts of Telangana were ruled by Nizam for several centuries and yet Muslims are so poor and backward precisely in that part of the state.
It is because only the poor dalits converted to Islam and not highly influential Hindus who enjoyed high status in Nizam rule. No attempt was ever made to convert them to Islam. Even in Hyderabad city, which was the Centre of Nizam rule Muslims are abysmally poor and backward. Thus the A.P. Government created category E for poor and backward Muslims to give them 5% reservation.
3. INDIA: RESERVATION FOR MUSLIMS - SHOULD IT OR SHOULD IT NOT BE?
Dozens of Muslim students of a government-run Urdu school in a Bihar village have refused to take mid-day meals cooked by a Dalit woman.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Now_Muslims_refuse_food_cooked_by_Dalit/articleshow/2159029.cms
Now you say Muslims are discriminated against
Finally a sane voice/...
"Dear Sir, I write with a heavy heart, knowing that my
views may pit me on the same side as the Sangh
Parivar.he decision to have 50 % reservation for
Muslim students in Aligarh Muslim University, may
hurt the Muslims of India tremendously. In the
aftermath of Gujarat 2002, Muslims all over India have
turned towards quality education on an almost war
footing.Estimates are that within a couple of decades,
Muslims will be the best in fields as diverse as
medical. engineering, research and management.
Yet perceptions in public are equally important.In the
popular mind, any rservation, whether based on caste
or donations, ultimately implies poor quality.This is
the last thing, my community needs at this stage.Even
today, in Gujarat of Modi , Muslim students are in
medical colleges, on merit, to the tune of about 4.5
%.. The Muslim population figure is about double in
Gujarat.But what counts is that these doctors can hold
their heads high , even though Gujarat is full of
doctors, both of the reservation and non reservation
kind.
I do not want non-Muslim perception about Muslim
professionals to become negative. After all the only
way to solve the Muslim tangle in India, is through
Muslims rising on their own feet, with total trust in
Allah alone. "
Against reservations for Muslim students
I totally agree with this guy.. Schools should be open for all.. Universities and Jobs only for merit no reservations...
I hate jinnah and Indira Gandhi not for being bad leaders but for some of their actions..
Again you should speak about ur self and not bring every single sikh in to it. Because majority of sikhs feel insulted and so does everybody else.
