Convergence of the US and Indian Strategic Interests vis-a-vis China

[BHarwana]

Not exactly. IN will only be half the size of the PLAN in only 2027. Between 2037-47, both navies should be on par.

Those are the timelines we are speaking off.

India cannot match the full potential of China in Naval area. Indian might be able to counter China is Indian Ocean but then again China will always have Pakistani help and Pakistani Navy is also developing at alarming pace. China is out of allies in SCS agreed but China it's self is a huge force and US resources are spread wide already with Russia will also help China in Eeast China sea. Turkey has no threat from Russia. If turkey is going against USA Russia will happily give Turkey room just like Russia is letting Turkey attack US backed assets in Afrin operation.

 

[jetray]

Russia and China are not allied. Their current interests converge for now, but it will change in 10-20 years.

thats right why would russia want an entity right next to it , which can threaten it in future.

Firstly India cannot gain full control of Indians ocean region because Indian Navy is not that far fetched for now but in future India is concentrating on Navy more than Army as can be seen from Indian defence budget.

we have the home advantage, our supply lines are shorter and we can always fall back on airforce deployed near the coast for the support.

Key choke point for trade is malacca straits which is not way too far from Andaman Islands.

 

[BHarwana]

we have the home advantage, our supply lines are shorter and we can always fall back on airforce deployed near the coast for the support.

Key choke point for trade is malacca straits which is not way too far from Andaman Islands.

China also has the home advantage because of Pakistan and Chinese military can be supplied easily through many Pakistani ports plus the CPEC has the capacity to fully support Chinese trade because CPEC is not based on existing land routes to China but it is an additional route to China.

 

[jetray]

China also has the home advantage because of Pakistan and Chinese military can be supplied easily through many Pakistani ports plus the CPEC has the capacity to fully support Chinese trade because CPEC is not based on existing land routes to China but it is an additional route to China.

If china needs reinforcements where will it come from?

 

[BHarwana]

If china needs reinforcements where will it come from?

What reinforcements you mean here? troops or equipment?

 

[randomradio]

India cannot match the full potential of China in Naval area. Indian might be able to counter China is Indian Ocean but then again China will always have Pakistani help and Pakistani Navy is also developing at alarming pace. China is out of allies in SCS agreed but China it's self is a huge force and US resources are spread wide already with Russia will also help China in Eeast China sea. Turkey has no threat from Russia. If turkey is going against USA Russia will happily give Turkey room just like Russia is letting Turkey attack US backed assets in Afrin operation.

There is a huge focus on IN's build up. 200 ships by 2027, 6 SSNs, 5 SSBNs etc. It's similar to or larger than what the PLAN is today.

Turkey is a NATO country. So it will be forced to contest space with Russia. There is no alternative irrespective of the Syrian situation.

Turkey is not a blue water navy and that's not their objective either. They won't contest any space in IOR against India. The same with PN. Both will be green water navies at best even if allowed to build up for 20+ years. All that both countries will have is some frigates, some diesel-electric submarines etc. Not enough to contest any major navy.

By 2040 or so, the only big naval players will be the USN, PLAN and IN. All others will be too small.

 

[BHarwana]

There is a huge focus on IN's build up. 200 ships by 2027, 6 SSNs, 5 SSBNs etc. It's similar to or larger than what the PLAN is today.

Turkey is a NATO country. So it will be forced to contest space with Russia. There is no alternative irrespective of the Syrian situation.

Turkey is not a blue water navy and that's not their objective either. They won't contest any space in IOR against India. The same with PN. Both will be green water navies at best even if allowed to build up for 20+ years. All that both countries will have is some frigates, some diesel-electric submarines etc. Not enough to contest any major navy.

By 2040 or so, the only big naval players will be the USN, PLAN and IN. All others will be too small.

This debate cannot end my friend as we are talking about future and there are many factors involved in this only time will tell so lets end this point less discussion only God know what will happen till every one gears up for confrontation
but there will be only peace and proxy war for next 10 years that is for sure. No major stand off till then.

 

[jetray]

What reinforcements you mean here? troops or equipment?

troops and equipment both. While fighting a war any country which provides supplies (including oil ) are legitimate target these include oil tankers of other countries as well. As such no country will risk providing supplies unless they want to get sucked into the war.

 

[neem456]

Once I heard some one saying China needs Pakistan to be strong than any country for it's own safety and China will do any thing to make Pakistan strong.

lolz isn't it a pity that pakistan is in such a situation, that they have to keep praying that some other country does something for your country to keep it afloat

 

[BHarwana]

troops and equipment both. While fighting a war any country which provides supplies (including oil ) are legitimate target these include oil tankers of other countries as well. As such no country will risk providing supplies unless they want to get sucked into the war.

If you are taking about a war between India and China then you are looking at the picture wrong. First of all in India China war the main push on India is going to come from North rather than sea. Now the balance of power in Indian well China has as much home advantage in Indian Ocean as India has because of Pakistan. Indian advantage is a bit bigger because of Indian vast coast line and more facilities on the western costs. But China has many installations in Africa and they will also contribute. The big question is where will Indian supplies going to come. You cannot make Naval assets over night. you and I both know those things take time to develop and Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles will play a much bigger role. I don't sea a carrier group battle in Indian ocean, rather it will be more submarine and battle ship war. The end result will depend on which generals who devise the strategy rather than military equipment. Resupplying is not an issue for china. They have wast Naval assets and they can over whelm Indian if they push Indian ocean in full force and here US help and Pakistani help will turn the tide and also Russian element will decide the fate. Plus Iran will jump in against USA so it will be a mess and nothing can be said until every one make a final decision.

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

It will be battleground Pakistan. Proxy wars are prone to rage with all the tribal controlled areas, and the already difficult Afghan border.
Vested interests of both the US and China, major corruption, a lack of division of power, huge debts and the dangerous mullah outlook of some citizens - are a disastrous combination in my view. Add the mutual India-Pakistan hatred in the mix.
The Pakistani public has a massive responsibility here.
Wake up neighbors.

Same problems you have You have uncontrolled areas of whole north same RSS terrorist same debts and corruption and hatred against Pakistan.

lolz isn't it a pity that pakistan is in such a situation, that they have to keep praying that some other country does something for your country to keep it afloat

As America doing with you

 

[Mehmood usmani]

Cpec is very much important project and after the completion and there is no worry for pakistan for their defence it will be life line for china and death line for both india ans usa and the end of american hajemony in this region pakistan will be the next regional power

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

A good read from the Indian Defense Review:

South East Asia: United States & India Convergent Strategic Interests 2018
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/south-east-asia-united-states-india-convergent-strategic-interests-2018/
02 Feb , 2018

The main point is to deny China room for maneuvering in the maritime field, and the US and the Indians are on the same page! The principal objectives are:
(1) Checkmate China’s hegemonic designs over South East Asia
(2) Checkmate China’s unchallenged maritime sway over the South China Sea
(3) Pre-empt China from establishing control over the strategic maritime chokepoints (the Malacca Straits, Lombok Straits and Soya Straits)

Now, the trillion Yuan question is - who'll bell the cat????? As for Pak, her strategic intersects are in turn converging with those of China (Newton's 3rd law). No doubt CPEC carries an immense strategic importance when all the chips of the puzzle are put together. Interesting times ahead....

My dear Turk Friend,


The answer is €3 Trillion+ Pak Economy fully integerated with the Heartland. That is the game...

It is in the Chinese Strategic interests that Pak must have not only massive military strength but more importantly economic strength to keep India boxxed in the planes of Gangeez....

China needs at least two more decades of Peace and Harmony to achieve her national revival.
Now Destiny of Pak is intertwined with that.

The troublemakers are busy.... from Black Sea to Afro-Asian Ocean to the China Seas.... but the Reality has changed now.

Indians are great at tactics but blind to Strategy...

India is three decades too late to contain China.
All the Indian friends now hope/dream is that the US-JP do the hunting for them... it doesn't work that way in REALITY!

The Two Great Gates of Eurasia are Turkey and Pak... and both will be tested to the very limit.
Freedom is Never given... it Must have to be Taken.

Only the Strong survive in this World.

Pak's only curse and India's only blessing has been the utter corrupt and incompetent Pak ruling classes.
The day that changes.... Destiny shall summon the brave!

Annex Northern Syria and be done with it... your people are too kind...finish the job there!

Regard,

Mangus

 

[Sh@msu]

who'll bell the cat?????

the problem is that there is no cat,that's a whole god damn Dragon breathing fire.
Belling that Dragon and making it angry might be a very bad idea.
Uncle Sam,please meet Big Boss Chen.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

My dear Turk Friend,


The answer is €3 Trillion+ Pak Economy fully integerated with the Heartland. That is the game...

It is in the Chinese Strategic interests that Pak must have not only massive military strength but more importantly economic strength to keep India boxxed in the planes of Gangeez....

China needs at least two more decades of Peace and Harmony to achieve her national revival.
Now Destiny of Pak is intertwined with that.

The troublemakers are busy.... from Black Sea to Afro-Asian Ocean to the China Seas.... but the Reality has changed now.

Indians are great at tactics but blind to Strategy...

India is three decades too late to contain China.
All the Indian friends now hope/dream is that the US-JP do the hunting for them... it doesn't work that way in REALITY!

The Two Great Gates of Eurasia are Turkey and Pak... and both will be tested to the very limit.
Freedom is Never given... it Must have to be Taken.

Only the Strong survive in this World.

Pak's only curse and India's only blessing has been the utter corrupt and incompetent Pak ruling classes.
The day that changes.... Destiny shall summon the brave!

Annex Northern Syria and be done with it... your people are too kind...finish the job there!

Regard,

Mangus

Pak and Turkey have a strange correlation- what happens in Turkey also has a ramification in Pak, and vice versa!!! Pak is pregnant with a better leadership....