Conspiracy to denigrate Sino-Pak ties

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An excellent article and a must read for all Pakistani members on pdf (who are can read and write: literacy 101)
Definitely we can see such politicians and media person's trying their best to create doubts in the minds of common man I always wonder Pakistani establishment's inability or unwillingness to act openly against such traitors.

The fifth columnists can only be controlled once PEMRA takes action.
PEMRA can only function once you we have an efficient/non-biased Information Minister.
That Information Minster can only be selected by a Prime Minister who is out of influence of an outsider in isb that polices 'freedom of speech' .
A Prime Minister will only be fearless to take bold actions if . he has backing and working relationship with Federation, Army,Bureaucracy,Judiciary, Opposition.
Nawaz Sharif has problems with all of them.. He attackks Supreme court, beats the sh|t out of protesters,cuckolds a President, destroyed merit system in civil services and has vengeance for Military .
Please dont expect Military estb. to bypass the hierarchy to take care of Mirs and Achakzais, the most it can do is induce more players to make their presence feeble.

 

[AUz]

Every Pakistani becomes an economist when it comes to CPEC... lol! We have PPP model which is on sharing mode between Public and Private firms, no scope of any loans in any sector unless we don't have expertise, more like Bullet train. We prefer to look for FDI's rather than loans... more like Talgo high speed trains to upgrade our passenger train network.

That doesn't tackle the points I raised in my post. Nice try deviating from the topic.

CPEC is not all loans either. Various models are at play. Build-operate-transfer model is being used for the construction, development, and operationalization of Gwadar port. Immense local investments are being made in real estate, infrastructural development in major cities, transportation, and so on.

You are just running in circles without actually answering the points I raised in the last post.

 

[Finer]

# To topic;

I am not surprised. The propaganda was expected ever since Indians officially threatened to derail CPEC by taking Balochistan as prime example to promote terrorism. If that is not enough, a direct horse-mouth aka Ajit Doval as in in-charge of Indian NSA - personally handpicked by PM Modi is enough to confirm with his confession on the public platform threatening to sponsor terrorism in Pakistan.

CPEC will continue one way or the other. Any one including those in position of power (politicians specially) will bite the dust if they move against CPEC. The only problem is NS who is hell bent in destroying the very institutions who are the custodians of Pakistan and its security. Despite all evidence available to declare him unfit to continue leading the country, if he still survives, than God bless Pakistan we are headed for troubled times. A nationalist leader who can reply to all those who are against Pakistan specially India, is the need of the hour. NS is not that man. He has vested self interest in India and he will protect them at the cost of Pakistan. The nation needs to wake up and isolate a traitor like him, achakzai, Fazlu and Asfandyar wali to name the few.

Do you realize that it was Nawaz Sharif who fast-tracked the whole CPEC in the last two years with the help of Pakistan army in form of security and assurance? That is why the whole world was taken by surprise due to rapid progress rate of CPEC.

If Pakistan was under the present ruling of Imran Khan, CPEC would have been delayed by now or better yet, become another Khala baag dam. Why? Pervez Kattak, chairman of PTI, is against CPEC and was front runner in anti-khala baag damn from the beginning.

I am actually glad that Imran Khan didn't become PM which also meant TTP would have been allowed to torch Pakistan to the ground like Musharraf allowed MQM to torch Karachi, the only major economical port of Pakistan, to the ground never mind the fact that there would be no CPEC due to Pervez Khattak, thus following the repeat history of Khala Baag dam which also has been proposed by Nawaz Sharif.

I think Pakistan needs both Sharifs [Nawaz and Raheel] together for the long term benefits of Pakistan as whole until Pakistan finds better replacement.

 

[NHUDA]

So world is doing away with Nuclear energy and migrating to coal, you would go to any length to defend these coal plants and expensive electricity out of it. By the way, if you invest in solar energy enough, the cost of solar panels is bound to come down. In India, it has become pretty much comparable to Nuclear energy, less than Rs 4 /unit.
http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-overcapacity-shines-on-indian-solar-sector-2275375

Please keep flying these wingless birdies there if that makes you happy.

Pleas do not put words in my mouth ..... I Did not Said that World is Switching to Coal (or other Fossil Fuel) Plants ditching Nuclear power Plant ... The new era is gonna be a solar, Wind, Sea waves and other clean renewable sources based electricity generation and yes india is doing good, so is Pakistan (we are building Wind as Well as Solar Power Plants or our own too, also additional hydroplants) !

May be if you try to Respond to the point i made rather thn jumping from one topic to another !

Is it possible to squeeze India in IOR? Consumed by hate for India, you forgot that you are actually celebrating possibility of a Dragon devouring you. Ok.. we will talk 10 yrs later if It is India squeezed in IOR or Pakistan announcing another tehreek-e-azadi

well U said that what is YOUR problem and i showed you the mirror ...... ofcourse it is difficult to take off biased glasses where FDI & loans to you is development & ours is Occupation ....

so yeah lets talk after 10 years ... lets keep it this way !

 

[IceCold]

Do you realize that it was Nawaz Sharif who fast-tracked the whole CPEC in the last two years with the help of Pakistan army in form of security and assurance? That is why the whole world was taken by surprise due to rapid progress rate of CPEC.

If Pakistan was under the present ruling of Imran Khan, CPEC would have been delayed by now or better yet, become another Khala baag dam. Why? Pervez Kattak, chairman of PTI, is against CPEC and was front runner in anti-khala baag damn from the beginning.

I am actually glad that Imran Khan didn't become PM which also meant TTP would have been allowed to torch Pakistan to the ground like Musharraf allowed MQM to torch Karachi, the only major economical port of Pakistan, to the ground never mind the fact that there would be no CPEC due to Pervez Khattak, thus following the repeat history of Khala Baag dam which also has been proposed by Nawaz Sharif.

I think Pakistan needs both Sharifs [Nawaz and Raheel] together for the long term benefits of Pakistan as whole until Pakistan finds better replacement.

IK is not the PM of Pakistan so i dont understand why do you have to bring him into the debate every time your leader who happens to be the PM is discussed. As for fast tracking CPEC, please!, it was the army that made sure CPEC was completed in due time. As for NS he is only good in leaking classified information to the press and not uttering a word against India.

 

[Ea Returns]

The new era is gonna be a solar, Wind, Sea waves and other clean renewable sources based electricity generation and yes india is doing good, so is Pakistan

You still didn't get the point... odd KW/MW projects are used for exhibition to the visiting crowd in college campuses... If one is serious and invest $33 Billion in Solar energy (that Chinese investing in coal based projects), i am sure that it will make electricity cost from coal plants an absolute overkill. If you still think "new coal plant projects" to be reasonable, please carry on.

 

[haviZsultan]

Indian RAW has an entire wing established to sabotage CPEC. US might be making similar efforts as it has never been a true ally, just a leader/slave relationship and have ignored RAW agents like Latifullah Mehsud whom we caputured and not just that, given us Muslim Khan and Abdullah Mehsuds whom they sent to Pakistan and who killed innocent Pakistani civilians and people the moment they arrived. US is a traitor and complicit with India.

 

[Finer]

IK is not the PM of Pakistan so i dont understand why do you have to bring him into the debate every time your leader who happens to be the PM is discussed. As for fast tracking CPEC, please!, it was the army that made sure CPEC was completed in due time. As for NS he is only good in leaking classified information to the press and not uttering a word against India.

Because PTI is opposed to the development of Pakistan given its hand-picked Pervez Khattak and their pro-stances of TTP.

It was Nawaz Sharif that fast-tracked CPEC because Army job was to provide the security with assurance. Other than that, Army literally has no clue what to do with the economical projects. That's why they were abandoned during the leadership of Musharraf and revived by Nawaz Sharif personally.

If not Nawaz, then it is pretty obvious your natural choice would be Imran Khan which means no more CPEC never mind letting TTP go rampage all over Pakistan spreading terrorism back and forth. Not to mention, the political leaders from PTI vetoing against all kind of development projects left and right like Khala baag dam and CPEC.

 

[AUz]

Forget about India's opposition to CPEC, but slowly and surely China is taking over Pakistan. From waste disposal system to power plants everything in Pakistan is Chinese. The rates that Chinese are asking to build these in Pakistan are too high. The interests rate are exorbitant. This seem more like colonialism 2.0

LOL, that's what your poor self will tell you to soothe

I have already answered your bullshit in previous post

What "colonization" are you talking about? Development, investment, and alliances are something great powers and relevant countries do on global level..just because no country has this kind of relationship with your irrelevant, shitty india--it doesn't mean that we are getting "colonized" because of strategic partnerships across the world.

Do you know Saudi Arabia recently bought and took control of the largest oil refinery in the United States, and thereby controlling a massive portion of oil flow in the U.S local markets.And control of energy is definitely a much bigger issue than "picking garbage".....so, what you say? The United States of America is getting colonized by the Saudis?!

Do you know GCC Arab countries have investments worth $3 trillions in the Western world, and it ranges from control of various hotels, to resorts, to infrastructure, oil refineries, factories, and what financial firms etc etc. Do you know when these investments were being made early on--in 1970's etc--many in the U.S also feared "Arab colonization" of America (I myself have seen media pieces from 1970's warning Americans about Arab control etc).

Guess what? Did Arabs control/colonize the USA?

That is how modern global economy works, my child. Major countries engage in global markets of goods and services. Things aren't local anymore.

Pakistan and China are no different. You are just soothing your soul by imagining these delusions of "china taking over Pakistan" because you can not accept the fact that in one strategic deal, Pakistan has been able to layout the blue print of industrialization THROUGHOUT its territory---something that countries take decades upon decades to do.

Is it possible to squeeze India in IOR? Consumed by hate for India, you forgot that you are actually celebrating possibility of a Dragon devouring you. Ok.. we will talk 10 yrs later if It is India squeezed in IOR or Pakistan announcing another tehreek-e-azadi

Read this post in entirety...your mental masturbations are way off from reality.

Pakistan will be economically stronger, with a bigger industrial base, and a significantly more powerful military due to various developments directly/indirectly linked to CPEC. But but but..China is devouring Pakistan

Do you know Saudis gave us oil for free for 5 years after 1998 nuclear experiments and proceeding sanctions. Survival of an independent, powerful, and a great military power Pakistan is absolutely critical for many in the world (Including China btw).

You are just running in circles. Again, I ask you..

You think if US came to India with an $2,3 trillion offer to do all of the above what CPEC is doing for Pakistan..i.e..overhauling ENTIRE road network of india , building energy projects covering length and breadth of India from South to Noth East, connecting ALL of major cities, ports, trading centers, population centers, and towns of India with major multiple lane highways, upgrading indian railway to 100mph average speeds across the North-South breathe of indian landmass, so on. ALL of that under ONE strategic project....you think Indian govt wouldn't take such deal being funded by concessionary loans at under 2%?!

indians will DIE of happiness if such deal is offered to them. But then again, they are too irrelevant in global arena to be able to attract such strategic partnerships and investments.

Btw, only 1/5 of CPEC is being funded by concessionary loans. Rest is investment and/or Build-operate-transfer model development projects undertaken by Chinese and Pakistani companies. Majority of engineers and labor force working on CPEC projects are Pakistanis, you do know that, right?

Out of total $51 billion worth projects, $37 billion is pure investment, and loans amount to $11 billion or so (while rest is build-operate-transfer)

https://www.geo.tv/latest/2510--37-...nt-while-remaining-are-soft-loans-ahsan-iqbal

But but but...China is "colonizing" Pakistan

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

LOL, that's what your poor self will tell you to soothe

I have already answered your bullshit in previous post

What "colonization" are you talking about? Development, investment, and alliances are something great powers and relevant countries do on global level..just because no country has this kind of relationship with your irrelevant, shitty india--it doesn't mean that we are getting "colonized" because of strategic partnerships across the world.

Do you know Saudi Arabia recently bought and took control of the largest oil refinery in the United States, and thereby controlling a massive portion of oil flow in the U.S local markets.And control of energy is definitely a much bigger issue than "picking garbage".....so, what you say? The United States of America is getting colonized by the Saudis?!

Do you know GCC Arab countries have investments worth $3 trillions in the Western world, and it ranges from control of various hotels, to resorts, to infrastructure, oil refineries, factories, and what financial firms etc etc. Do you know when these investments were being made early on--in 1970's etc--many in the U.S also feared "Arab colonization" of America (I myself have seen media pieces from 1970's warning Americans about Arab control etc).

Guess what? Did Arabs control/colonize the USA?

That is how modern global economy works, my child. Major countries engage in global markets of goods and services. Things aren't local anymore.

Pakistan and China are no different. You are just soothing your soul by imagining these delusions of "china taking over Pakistan" because you can not accept the fact that in one strategic deal, Pakistan has been able to layout the blue print of industrialization THROUGHOUT its territory---something that countries take decades upon decades to do.



Read this post in entirety...your mental masturbations are way off from reality.

Pakistan will be economically stronger, with a bigger industrial base, and a significantly more powerful military due to various developments directly/indirectly linked to CPEC. But but but..China is devouring Pakistan

Do you know Saudis gave us oil for free for 5 years after 1998 nuclear experiments and proceeding sanctions. Survival of an independent, powerful, and a great military power Pakistan is absolutely critical for many in the world (Including China btw).

You are just running in circles. Again, I ask you..

You think if US came to India with an $2,3 trillion offer to do all of the above what CPEC is doing for Pakistan..i.e..overhauling ENTIRE road network of india , building energy projects covering length and breadth of India from South to Noth East, connecting ALL of major cities, ports, trading centers, population centers, and towns of India with major multiple lane highways, upgrading indian railway to 100mph average speeds across the North-South breathe of indian landmass, so on. ALL of that under ONE strategic project....you think Indian govt wouldn't take such deal being funded by concessionary loans at under 2%?!

indians will DIE of happiness if such deal is offered to them. But then again, they are too irrelevant in global arena to be able to attract such strategic partnerships and investments.

Btw, only 1/5 of CPEC is being funded by concessionary loans. Rest is investment and/or Build-operate-transfer model development projects undertaken by Chinese and Pakistani companies. Majority of engineers and labor force working on CPEC projects are Pakistanis, you do know that, right?

Out of total $51 billion worth projects, $37 billion is pure investment, and loans amount to $11 billion or so (while rest is build-operate-transfer)

https://www.geo.tv/latest/2510--37-...nt-while-remaining-are-soft-loans-ahsan-iqbal

But but but...China is "colonizing" Pakistan

You've left nothing to imagination...

 

[AUz]

You've left nothing to imagination...

That's what I generally do with indians

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

That's what I generally do with indians

I don't know whether it helps them, but it gives a lot of peace in mind to the well wishers of Pak...

I have to admit the Indian folks are masters in raising doubts and suspicions on something, which can lead to disbelief. They have taken it to an art level. It requires a lot of Iman, Yakin and Ihlas to remove the qualms...

 

[Finer]

I don't know whether it helps them, but it gives a lot of peace in mind to the well wishers of Pak...

I have to admit the Indian folks are masters in raising doubts and suspicions on something, which can lead to disbelief. They have taken it to an art level. It requires a lot of Iman, Yakin and Ihlas to remove the qualms...

They took advantage of the Imranistan's distress upon the announcement of the news and used it to their advantage. I hope despite of political differences, Imranistan can choose to look for bigger picture instead of giving mileage exactly what Indians desperately wants with CPEC running on the full steam.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

They took advantage of the Imranistan's distress upon the announcement of the news and used it to their advantage. I hope despite of political differences, Imranistan can choose to look for bigger picture instead of giving mileage exactly what Indians desperately wants with CPEC running on the full steam.

I have to admit I am having some trouble understanding Mr. (K)han's discretion. As the news is coming out of Turkey, Reis's recent visit wasn't a visit only for the sake of it. Some very very important mutual policy issues were discussed that may very well change the relationship all together, and take it to a level hitherto unimaginable. I am pretty sure Mr. (K)han would have been very much interested to put his thoughts and actions into it and be a stakeholder...

 

[lonelyman]

China Pakistan relationship goes back and deep, mutual benefitcial win win one. China even provided the weapons grade enriched uranium and bomb blueprint in the past , no worries.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...two-bombs-to-Pakistan/articleshow/5226165.cms

Forget about India's opposition to CPEC, but slowly and surely China is taking over Pakistan. From waste disposal system to power plants everything in Pakistan is Chinese. The rates that Chinese are asking to build these in Pakistan are too high. The interests rate are exorbitant. This seem more like colonialism 2.0

Bullshit, investment means take over? Aren't u guys crying for China investment?
China loan rates to friendly countries are always 2%, maybe even lower for Pakistan. too high? For billions of dollars? Who else would give out such loans?