Conspiracy to denigrate Sino-Pak ties

[I.R.A]

This was stated by none other than Senator Tahir Mashhadi, chairman of the Senate Standing Committee on Planning and Development.
It is highly derogatory to draw parallels with the East India Company and must have hurt the sentiments of Pakistan’s sole benefactor.

Can Achakzais and Asfandyars of Pakistan make me a gullible Pakistani understand ............... what stopped China taking undue advantage of us when we are at worst of our times? If China alone needed to benefit from this project and economic belt, and if China wasn't interested in betterment of Pakistan too, they could have very easily achieved their goals otherwise there was and is nothing stopping them. Just remember there are two neighbors of Pakistan that don't wish any harm to us one is the nature (the Ocean) and the other one is China and both of them are linked to this project............. all the rest wish ill for Pakistan or are simply interested in their own agenda.

Fck you Tahir, Achakzai and Asfandyar .......... this is bigger than Kala Bagh don't try using little brains thinking how to cook conspiracies and sabotage it.

 

[Finer]

I have to admit I am having some trouble understanding Mr. (K)han's discretion. As the news is coming out of Turkey, Reis's recent visit wasn't a visit only for the sake of it. Some very very important mutual policy issues were discussed that may very well change the relationship all together, and take it to a level hitherto unimaginable. I am pretty sure Mr. (K)han would have been very much interested to put his thoughts and actions into it and be a stakeholder...

I think somebody in England might be making real call. When he goes to England or comes from England to Pakistan, that's when Pakistan needs to worry about. Every time he came back, Pakistan dealt with unexpected problems one after another.

As for Imran Khan, i cannot speak for him since he is sort of predictable if you catch my drift which does sound worrying signs though, especially at the expense of Pakistan while the enemy of Pakistan might be preparing for real war as per the tone of the enemy of Pakistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Can Achakzais and Asfandyars of Pakistan make me a gullible Pakistani understand ............... what stopped China taking undue advantage of us when we are at worst of our times? If China alone needed to benefit from this project and economic belt, and if China wasn't interested in betterment of Pakistan too, they could have very easily achieved their goals otherwise there was and is nothing stopping them. Just remember there are two neighbors of Pakistan that don't wish any harm to us one is the nature (the Ocean) and the other one is China and both of them are linked to this project............. all the rest wish ill for Pakistan or are simply interested in their own agenda.

Fck you Tahir, Achakzai and Asfandyar .......... this is bigger than Kala Bagh don't try using little brains thinking how to cook conspiracies and sabotage it.

I believe the rest doesn't include Turkey..

 

[IceCold]

Because PTI is opposed to the development of Pakistan given its hand-picked Pervez Khattak and their pro-stances of TTP.

Says a follower of someone who leaks classified information from the PM house to marginalise the security institutions of Pakistan.
By the way what are you going to say about this:

Nuff said

It was Nawaz Sharif that fast-tracked CPEC because Army job was to provide the security with assurance. Other than that, Army literally has no clue what to do with the economical projects. That's why they were abandoned during the leadership of Musharraf and revived by Nawaz Sharif personally.

Do you want me to post articles about China seeking military guarantee for CPEC as they were not happy with the way Federal government was handling things.
http://www.businessplustv.pk/2016/07/21/china-wants-pakistan-army-to-supervise-cpec/

If not Nawaz, then it is pretty obvious your natural choice would be Imran Khan which means no more CPEC never mind letting TTP go rampage all over Pakistan spreading terrorism back and forth. Not to mention, the political leaders from PTI vetoing against all kind of development projects left and right like Khala baag dam and CPEC.

My natural choice might or might not be IK depends, buts yours certainly is NS even when he launders money, involved in breathtaking corruption scandals, lied multiple times on the floor of the parliament about his wealth, and most importantly is a security threat to the state of Pakistan because of his personal grudge against the military and business interests with India.
As for Kalabagh dam get your facts straight, it is the ANP which opposes Kalabagh dam and the likes of Asfandyarwali and Achakzai and guess what, they are not supporters of PTI but NS. Moreover these are the same people that are playing in the hands of India against CPEC. And lets not forget how Achakzai who called the entire KPK as an Afghan land. Asfand calls himself an Afghan.

 

[I.R.A]

I believe the rest doesn't include Turkey..

Turkey doesn't share direct border with Pakistan ............... Turkey and Pakistan have a natural belonging to each other and that doesn't need them to be immediate neighbors.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

I have to admit I am having some trouble understanding Mr. (K)han's discretion. As the news is coming out of Turkey, Reis's recent visit wasn't a visit only for the sake of it. Some very very important mutual policy issues were discussed that may very well change the relationship all together, and take it to a level hitherto unimaginable. I am pretty sure Mr. (K)han would have been very much interested to put his thoughts and actions into it and be a stakeholder...

Nawaz and Reis Erdogan know each other since early 90s when the latter was chair of the Istanbul branch of the Welfare Party. Nawaz was earlier part of a coalition IJI which shared the views of Erbakan regarding western influence on domestic politics.
1997, when Reis Erdogan was in trouble for his poetry and a military takeover was happening , Nawaz was one of those people who gave him moral support around that time.Who knew Nawaz would be in same waters two years later in 1999.
Interestingly the three coups in Turkey happened around the same timelines as those of the three coups in Pakistan which wrongly gives an impression that militaries of the two Muslim nations collude on ways to tackle democratic governments.
Its only natural for Erdogan to have a tilt towards Nawaz not just because of the past but also that Nawaz is the current PM and very nervous for past few months of a probable coup against him.
Luckily Turkish coup was averted and in Pakistan General Raheel didnt act because of the circumstances on his end.

Both Erdogan and Nawaz have faced similar challenges and they value their relationship they built over time.
Imran Khan is a relatively newer phenomena therefore it will take time for Reis to understand what he stands for. Nawaz alleges Khan as a tout of Army but thats far from truth.

The truth is Nawaz has failed to delivered in the three terms he had and has been giving leverages to the enemy states something antithesis to Erdogans decade of performance. Regardless how much Nawaz says he is emulating Erdogan its a lie ..And Imran Khan is cashing those lies to be the next PM.

 

[Finer]

Says a follower of someone who leaks classified information from the PM house to marginalise the security institutions of Pakistan.
By the way what are you going to say about this:

Nuff said



Do you want me to post articles about China seeking military guarantee for CPEC as they were not happy with the way Federal government was handling things.
http://www.businessplustv.pk/2016/07/21/china-wants-pakistan-army-to-supervise-cpec/



My natural choice might or might not be IK depends, buts yours certainly is NS even when he launders money, involved in breathtaking corruption scandals, lied multiple times on the floor of the parliament about his wealth, and most importantly is a security threat to the state of Pakistan because of his personal grudge against the military and business interests with India.
As for Kalabagh dam get your facts straight, it is the ANP which opposes Kalabagh dam and the likes of Asfandyarwali and Achakzai and guess what, they are not supporters of PTI but NS. Moreover these are the same people that are playing in the hands of India against CPEC. And lets not forget how Achakzai who called the entire KPK as an Afghan land. Asfand calls himself an Afghan.

China has asked Pakistan government to appoint its army to supervise the economic venture worth of $46 million, China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), as various ministries have been lingering vis a vis its execution, according to Islamabad based diplomats.

Isn't that the whole point of assigning with the security to ensure the project goes smoothly? Other than that, Pakistan army is known not to have clue about economical projects that doesn't happen to be strength suit?

As for ministries, there is chance of incompetent which compromises the security as police enforcement, hence China asked Pakistan government to appoint its army to supervise the economic venture which is possible by providing the security to ensure the safety of the project and its team. Personally, Pakistan government would have done that with and without China's request given Gawadar port happens to be in Balochistan where Pakistan army is already housed while police enforcement lacks resources.


I am not acquainted with urdu so english translation would be nice. Despite your messy post, that doesn't explain Imran Khan personally hiring Pervez Khattak who has allegedly long history of maintaining anti-development of Pakistan or some would say hold favorable agenda towards Afghanistan at the expense of Pakistan.

That being said, it cannot be coincident with hiring Pervez Khattak, allegedly firing accountability team for exposing corruption from within the party, promoting racial war, promoting Afghanistan agenda over Pakistan, holding dharna to take towns and cities as hostage damaging the economy of Pakistan, and quite frankly, maintaining pro-TTP stances that is officially became enemy of Pakistan as per Pakistan army.

Unless you are comparing Afghan Taliban which happens to be part of foreign policy of Pakistan army with TTP that is Indian-funded as officially confessed by Ajit Doval as in-charge of Indian NSA threatening to sponsor terrorism. Then, you are really out of your mind.

There is no excuse to support TTP that promotes terrorism which has destroyed infrastructures of Pakistan, killed more than 50,000 including children. Are you really out of your mind to justify for Imran Khan maintaining pro-stances of TTP?

 

[IceCold]

I am not acquainted with urdu so english translation would be nice.

ok

 

[Finer]

ok

I can read urdu a bit, but it is bit of headache with each words. Urdu is complex language, not my favorite.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Chinese invested in Srilanka through massive loaned schemes and these days, China is offered varying degrees of control over some of Sri Lanka’s biggest infrastructure projects, including Mattala International Airport and portions of the Hambantota deep sea port, and Sri Lanka would receive some debt relief. What China tells in return, we don't want your empty airports, give our money back. Obviously they knew it all along, we will soon know what China would demand for.

Srilankans are struggling over Chinese loans which are 10% of their GDP, how would our other neighbor survive when it loans against 25% of it's GDP?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshe...ur-money-not-your-empty-airport/#7474538c1169

Given the ignorance and lack of awareness on CPEC as basic as, it's loan or chinese investment (FDI), Spirit of creation has record of delivering tough but long lasting lessons. We will talk about this whatever deeper - higher friendship some 10 yrs later.

Even if you explain with good intention it will be seen as conspiracy, just leave it... just sit back and watch the show

 

[IceCold]

I can read urdu a bit, but it is bit of headache with each words. Urdu is complex language, not my favorite.

Dont sweat here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/857697

As for your attempt to spin and make it look as if Shahbaz was talking about the Afghan Taliban, you need to again get your twisted facts right. Afghan taliban never attacked Pakistan, it was always TTP that attacked Pakistan including Punjab and it was TTP who Shahbaz refered to when he said i dont understand why are they attacking Punjab.
From the above article:
LAHORE Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has said that the Taliban and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz both opposed former military dictator Pervez Musharraf and, therefore, he is surprised that this common stance has failed to stop the Taliban from carrying out terror attacks in Punjab.

This article is from 2010 when TTP was very much active. Your CM wanted to talk with TTP and wanted them to spare Punjab. So much for the anti TTP bandwagon

Read this as well:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/850789/...ey-didnt-conduct-operations-in-punjab-report/
Guess who's name was found in Abbotabad? It wasnt IK or PTI or Perviaz Khattaka.
I hope you stick to your last argument line about no excuse to support TTP or was that too selective and only implied to IK.

By the way why is Federal and Punjab government hesitant to let rangers conduct operations in Punjab at the scale of Karachi??

Your N league is in bed with all punjab based militant parties. The likes of Rana Sanaullah have direct links with Sipah-e-Sahaba and other banned organisations in Pakistan.

http://www.pkhope.com/rana-sanaullahs-nexus-with-sipah-e-sahaba-pakistan/

If rangers conduct operation in Punjab your law minister would be the first one to go behind bars and hence the reluctance of this government to stop from happening such.

Now you can continue with your Imran and PTI bashing.

 

[Finer]

Dont sweat here:
http://www.dawn.com/news/857697

As for your attempt to spin and make it look as if Shahbaz was talking about the Afghan Taliban, you need to again get your twisted facts right. Afghan taliban never attacked Pakistan, it was always TTP that attacked Pakistan including Punjab and it was TTP who Shahbaz refered to when he said i dont understand why are they attacking Punjab.
From the above article:
LAHORE Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif has said that the Taliban and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz both opposed former military dictator Pervez Musharraf and, therefore, he is surprised that this common stance has failed to stop the Taliban from carrying out terror attacks in Punjab.

This article is from 2010 when TTP was very much active. Your CM wanted to talk with TTP and wanted them to spare Punjab. So much for the anti TTP bandwagon

Read this as well:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/850789/...ey-didnt-conduct-operations-in-punjab-report/
Guess who's name was found in Abbotabad? It wasnt IK or PTI or Perviaz Khattaka.
I hope you stick to your last argument line about no excuse to support TTP or was that too selective and only implied to IK.

By the way why is Federal and Punjab government hesitant to let rangers conduct operations in Punjab at the scale of Karachi??

Your N league is in bed with all punjab based militant parties. The likes of Rana Sanaullah have direct links with Sipah-e-Sahaba and other banned organisations in Pakistan.

http://www.pkhope.com/rana-sanaullahs-nexus-with-sipah-e-sahaba-pakistan/

If rangers conduct operation in Punjab your law minister would be the first one to go behind bars and hence the reluctance of this government to stop from happening such.

Now you can continue with your Imran and PTI bashing.

That is the perfect example of manipulating the history by selecting the certain article that suits your need while in reality suggests otherwise.

Under Musharraf's ruling, TTP was born which was around 2003-2004 - give and take. And that was the moment TTP started attacking Pakistan from the moment.

Then Zardari succeeded Musharraf along with Gillani and assumed the powers over Pakistan. It was during between 2007-2013. In the middle of the term, TTP was attacking everywhere, killing children, almost killed Malala Yousufzai. On the top of it, General Kiyani helplessly observed the whole tragedy as he promised not to interfere the matter of politically democratic affairs after the mess created by Musharraf.

Zardari and Gillani were not concerned about TTP killing people everywhere, to the extent MQM and the gang-wars became normal routine in Karachi. It was clear that they didn't care while Pakistan army couldn't take any action even if they wanted to unless they would launch another Marshall Law which would defy the promise as made. It was responsibility of Zardari and Gillani as Federal and PM of Pakistan, and they failed miserably while not caring at all.

Then TTP started to threaten Punjab. That's when PMLN started begging to leave Punjab alone. PMLN did beg for life given Pakistan army was not doing anything about TTP nor Federal government. Clearly, PMLN didn't have federal power to launch military operation during that time, and it seemed like peace was the best option given the whole nation was supporting Imran Khan's peace campaign with TTP repeatedly and through thick and thin, and even after killing women, children and old people didn't stop Imran Khan from campaigning peace with TTP and blaming everything on Musharraf and his foreign policy.

Despite of PMLN attempted for peace failed miserably, and TTP attacked Punjab to no end. Because TTP came with the fully purpose of destroying Pakistan and undermining its integrity while Imran Khan was consistently making pro-TTP stances like idiot. Even during the dharna in the year 2014, TTP was the first to vouch for Imran Khan and threatened to torch Pakistan to the ground if people didn't support Imran Khan or something along with those lines.

Next election, PMLN came into the power. Then, in the COAS meeting came with two offers; General Kiyani's military operation and Imran Khan's peace campaign. And yes, it was General Kiyani's project, not General Raheel who came afterward. And it was the same COAS meeting where Imran Khan was caught lying about General Kiyani by saying that the military project had 40% chance of success, and then later, clarified by General Kiyani saying that he meant the military operation will reduce 40% terrorism and there is a lot more to do [which aimed at Afghanistan as safe haven for TTP to my personal opinion]. But the nation was totally in favor of Imran Khan and his peace campaign with TTP. So naturally PMLN had no choice but to let the public-consensus dictate the matter which chose Imran Khan's peace campaign with TTP. Despite of so-called promises from TTP wanting peace while Imran Khan guaranteed for TTP words, but as usual, TTP never had any intention for peace and started attacking again. Even then, PTI ran away like coward instead of taking responsibility for endorsing TTP agenda.

Then it came to the point that people literally got fed up with the false promise of TTP and Imran Khan. Attack on Airport in Karachi and School in Peshawar were the final straw that broke the camel's back. Then, public-consensus changed its mind and decided for military project over Imran Khan's peace campaign. With public-consensus, Nawaz Sharif was able to launch the military operation with the cooperating of Pakistan army. Even then, Imran Khan was in foul mood for authoring the military operation and blamed everything on PMLN like PMLN never wanted peace intention with TTP.

But the whole Pakistan was happy, Nawaz Sharif was happy, and Pakistan army was happy, except Imran Khan. That day Imran Khan said Pakistan would be making major mistakes and would regret it big time.

Let's talk about PTI political party; housing certain political leaders that are pro-Afghanistan and anti-Pakistan. And it was those that opposed the development of Pakistan and supported TTP that is originally based in Afghanistan supported by Afghan intel which is on the record. And it was same TTP that Ajit Doval confessed through sponsoring terrorism all over Pakistan which has claimed the lives more than 50,000 innocent people including children.

If you look from the 2003/2004-2014, Imran Khan was consistent with pro-TTP stances throughout that time. Even some do in PTI political party that opposes the development of CPEC.

# This is the 100% brutally-honest post, but i have a feeling this long post might fall on deaf ears.

 

[IceCold]

That is the perfect example of manipulating the history by selecting the certain article that suits your need while in reality suggests otherwise.

Under Musharraf's ruling, TTP was born which was around 2003-2004 - give and take. And that was the moment TTP started attacking Pakistan from the moment.

Then Zardari succeeded Musharraf along with Gillani and assumed the powers over Pakistan. It was during between 2007-2013. In the middle of the term, TTP was attacking everywhere, killing children, almost killed Malala Yousufzai. On the top of it, General Kiyani helplessly observed the whole tragedy as he promised not to interfere the matter of politically democratic affairs after the mess created by Musharraf.

Zardari and Gillani were not concerned about TTP killing people everywhere, to the extent MQM and the gang-wars became normal routine in Karachi. It was clear that they didn't care while Pakistan army couldn't take any action even if they wanted to unless they would launch another Marshall Law which would defy the promise as made. It was responsibility of Zardari and Gillani as Federal and PM of Pakistan, and they failed miserably while not caring at all.

Then TTP started to threaten Punjab. That's when PMLN started begging to leave Punjab alone. PMLN did beg for life given Pakistan army was not doing anything about TTP nor Federal government. Clearly, PMLN didn't have federal power to launch military operation during that time, and it seemed like peace was the best option given the whole nation was supporting Imran Khan's peace campaign with TTP repeatedly and through thick and thin, and even after killing women, children and old people didn't stop Imran Khan from campaigning peace with TTP and blaming everything on Musharraf and his foreign policy.

Despite of PMLN attempted for peace failed miserably, and TTP attacked Punjab to no end. Because TTP came with the fully purpose of destroying Pakistan and undermining its integrity while Imran Khan was consistently making pro-TTP stances like idiot. Even during the dharna in the year 2014, TTP was the first to vouch for Imran Khan and threatened to torch Pakistan to the ground if people didn't support Imran Khan or something along with those lines.

Next election, PMLN came into the power. Then, in the COAS meeting came with two offers; General Kiyani's military operation and Imran Khan's peace campaign. And yes, it was General Kiyani's project, not General Raheel who came afterward. And it was the same COAS meeting where Imran Khan was caught lying about General Kiyani by saying that the military project had 40% chance of success, and then later, clarified by General Kiyani saying that he meant the military operation will reduce 40% terrorism and there is a lot more to do [which aimed at Afghanistan as safe haven for TTP to my personal opinion]. But the nation was totally in favor of Imran Khan and his peace campaign with TTP. So naturally PMLN had no choice but to let the public-consensus dictate the matter which chose Imran Khan's peace campaign with TTP. Despite of so-called promises from TTP wanting peace while Imran Khan guaranteed for TTP words, but as usual, TTP never had any intention for peace and started attacking again. Even then, PTI ran away like coward instead of taking responsibility for endorsing TTP agenda.

Then it came to the point that people literally got fed up with the false promise of TTP and Imran Khan. Attack on Airport in Karachi and School in Peshawar were the final straw that broke the camel's back. Then, public-consensus changed its mind and decided for military project over Imran Khan's peace campaign. With public-consensus, Nawaz Sharif was able to launch the military operation with the cooperating of Pakistan army. Even then, Imran Khan was in foul mood for authoring the military operation and blamed everything on PMLN like PMLN never wanted peace intention with TTP.

But the whole Pakistan was happy, Nawaz Sharif was happy, and Pakistan army was happy, except Imran Khan. That day Imran Khan said Pakistan would be making major mistakes and would regret it big time.

Let's talk about PTI political party; housing certain political leaders that are pro-Afghanistan and anti-Pakistan. And it was those that opposed the development of Pakistan and supported TTP that is originally based in Afghanistan supported by Afghan intel which is on the record. And it was same TTP that Ajit Doval confessed through sponsoring terrorism all over Pakistan which has claimed the lives more than 50,000 innocent people including children.

If you look from the 2003/2004-2014, Imran Khan was consistent with pro-TTP stances throughout that time. Even some do in PTI political party that opposes the development of CPEC.

You have a habit of needlessly arguing even when presented with facts that too backed with proofs but i know better than to argue with a patwari because no matter what the rest of the world says, a patwari will always defend his master.

# This is the 100% brutally-honest post, but i have a feeling this long post might fall on deaf ears.

Let the readers be the judge of that. A post based on rants or one backed with links.

 

[Finer]

You have a habit of needlessly arguing even when presented with facts that too backed with proofs but i know better than to argue with a patwari because no matter what the rest of the world says, a patwari will always defend his master.

Let the readers be the judge of that. A post based on rants or one backed with links.

Same can be said about you being patwari defending your own master like blindly [Imran Khan] if it is based on the mindset you suggest. As usual, once confronted with fact, you turn to the tactics which most of Imranistan use to escape from the debate.

FYI, I am not supporter of Nawaz Sharif. But of course, anyone who questions the policy of Imran Khan is declared noora by default. So whom am i kidding with.

 

[IceCold]

once confronted with fact

Facts? More like rants. Facts are based on proofs not rants. I presented proofs from reliable sources to back my argument about Sharifs what have you? All you did was to show the hypocrisy in your argument, one that you use often to target IK labelling him as a TTP supporter but the same does not stand true for the Sharifs.

FYI, I am not supporter of Nawaz Sharif.

Yes yes we have heard this, one too many times.