Conspiracy to denigrate Sino-Pak ties

[Finer]

Facts? More like rants. Facts are based on proofs not rants. I presented proofs from reliable sources to back my argument about Sharifs what have you? All you did was to show the hypocrisy in your argument, one that you use often to target IK labelling him as a TTP supporter but the same does not stand true for the Sharifs.

You chose one source which didn't leave much information and ignored other sources which had explained everything including the true nature of Imran Khan. This is my way of being nice by not calling out on you given your selective accountability.

Do you really want to challenge me to present more than one sources which actually back my narrative and expose the true nature of Imran Khan on public forum? Think about it.

Yes yes we have heard this, one too many times.

I know you may have heard many times, but that doesn't change the fact, does it?

FYI, I am not supporter of Nawaz Sharif. But of course, anyone who questions the policy of Imran Khan is declared noora by default. So whom am i kidding with.

 

[IceCold]

Do you really want to challenge me to present more than one sources which actually back my narrative and expose the true nature of Imran Khan on public forum? Think about it.

I already did challenge you and you came up short with you selective pick and chose argument. Lets stick to the topic shall we. You are more than welcome to open another thread and tag me in.

By the way i raised other issues as well which you conveniently ignore like PMLN not allowing Sindh type operation in Punjab despite repeated calls by the security institutions. Rana Sanaullah links with banned terror outfits. What do you have to say on that??

 

[Finer]

I already did challenge you and you came up short with you selective pick and chose argument. Lets stick to the topic shall we. You are more than welcome to open another thread and tag me in.

By the way i raised other issues as well which you conveniently ignore like PMLN not allowing Sindh type operation in Punjab despite repeated calls by the security institutions. Rana Sanaullah links with banned terror outfits. What do you have to say on that??

On the second thought, i give up. You win. It is hard to have debate with someone who has already assumed me as noora, thus assuming me as spokesperson of PMLN. Although, i have debated over topic, done endless debate on this very topic to no end. I am not going to go through this all over again. So you win. All the best.

 

[IceCold]

On the second thought, i give up. You win. It is hard to have debate with someone who has already assumed me as noora, thus assuming me as spokesperson of PMLN. Although, i have debated over topic, done endless debate on this very topic to no end. I am not going to go through this all over again. So you win. All the best.

Didnt you assumed me to be a youthian as well just because i criticise NS? Do i need to point you to a thread where i was opposing IK for his stance on not attending the join Parliament session when Turkish President visited? Oh wait even you thanked that post.
Rest i say let us agree to disagree than shall we

 

[Finer]

Didnt you assumed me to be a youthian as well just because i criticise NS? Do i need to point you to a thread where i was opposing IK for his stance on not attending the join Parliament session when Turkish President visited? Oh wait even you thanked that post.
Rest i say let us agree to disagree than shall we

I am truly convinced that you are clueless big time despite the opportunity i gave you, and the big hint that is staring right in front of your still evade you big time.

Same can be said about you being patwari defending your own master like blindly [Imran Khan] if it is based on the mindset you suggest.

Bold was in response to your mindset in regard to quoting one of my post earlier.

But of course, anyone who questions the policy of Imran Khan is declared noora by default. So whom am i kidding with.

Precisely why i gave up on debate since it is pointless to have debate with someone who has already assumed me as noora. Since you blew the opportunity to let this debate end with gracefully, i guess i have no choice but to call out on your Imran Khan now.

Is Imran Khan really pro-Taliban?


Imran Khan still backs talks with TTP

“If America can negotiate with the Afghan Taliban, Pakistan and Afghanistan should also negotiate with them (Taliban),” said Imran while speaking to the media after meeting members of Army Public School (APS) Shuhada Forum.

Imran Khan had said early last year that Taliban did not want to enforce Shariah in the country at gunpoint but wanted to liberate it from a US led war.

Talk with Taliban is the only option, says Imran

Isabelle Kumar: “So you don’t support this operation at the moment?”

Imran Khan: “I believe that once the dialogue process was exhausted, then only should operations be a last resort. We have never had a proper dialogue in Pakistan between the political government and the Taliban. This was the first effort and this was doomed to failure because there are about 50 Taliban groups, there are some groups not interested in peace. So the moment the peace talks started, these acts of terrorism escalated.”

Imran Khan: “Yes, isolate the groups that are not willing to talk. So why not go against those Taliban who are responsible, who took responsibility for the killing of the 23 soldiers? Why not go after them?”

Isabelle Kumar: “Is that not what the military is doing at the moment?”

Imran Khan: “No. They are going to north Waziristan… this (attack) was done by the Momand Taliban which is a different agency all together. So they are already now bombing in north Waziristan and my fear is that this will actually lead to more violence.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Ok, you’ve also said, and correct me if I’m wrong, that if the Pakistani government was to withdraw its support for the US war on terror, was to stop US drone strikes in Pakistan the Pakistan Taliban would lose its momentum. Is that correct?”

Imran Khan: “The whole motivation behind this militancy was the US invasion of Afghanistan. This militancy started when the Pakistan army, under pressure from the Americans sent the Pakistan army into Waziristan and everything started from there, the collateral damage, drone attacks, the belief that the Pakistan army is fighting on behalf of the Americans, the Jihad syndrome, the suicide bomber. So that’s the motivation.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Yes, but you’ve said yourself the situation is far more complex than that. This is the Taliban that shot a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai"external">Malala in the head, the teenage girl who was trying to basically support kids trying to have an education, girl children have an education. They want to, they do want to impose Sharia law, certain groups do want to impose Sharia law.”

Imran Khan: “Look, first of all nothing can justify the atrocities committed by the Taliban, nothing can justify that. But let me just say one thing; in the negotiations so far, the moment the negotiations are within the constitution that means that no one can impose their version of Sharia on Pakistan and that’s been my position throughout, that in Afghanistan and Pakistan the American withdrawal will calm things down in Afghanistan and the moment the Pakistan army eventually pulls out, it will bring things under control and the tribal people will then take over their area.”

Imran reluctant to alter his pro-Taliban stance

ISLAMABAD: The ruthless slaughter of 100-plus innocent school children in Peshawar finally compelled Imran Khan to condemn the massacre, but the pro-Taliban PTI chief, who is often tagged as “Taliban Khan” by his critics, still deemed it fit not to denounce the Taliban whose spokesman has claimed responsibility for the cruel carnage.

It was clear from his reply that, Imran, as usual, was not ready to condemn the Taliban. By the time Imran made this statement, the spokesman for Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Muhammad Khorasani had already claimed responsibility for the school attack, saying: “The Peshawar school attack was in retaliation for the ongoing Operation Zarb-e-Azab. There were six attackers. They include target killers and suicide attackers. They have been ordered to shoot the older students but not the children. The military was always wrong about our capabilities. We are still able to carry out major attacks. This was just the trailer. The military has only been able to kill 10 militants in the ongoing Operation Zarb-e-Azab [in North Waziristan] and the military’s figure of over 1,200 militants killed is false”.

Even after the elections, while the Taliban were still killing innocent Pakistanis, Imran did not abandon his pro-Taliban stance. On September 25, 2013, he had urged the Sharif government to allow the Taliban to open an office for the peace dialogue. “If the rulers are serious about pursuing the dialogue process with the Pakistani Taliban, it should allow them to have their own office like the one opened by Afghan Taliban in Qatar,” Imran Khan told reporters outside the Lady Reading Hospital in Peshawar. “If the Americans can allow the opening of office in Qatar to facilitate talks with the Afghan Taliban, why can’t we do in our own country,” he said.

As a US drone attack killed TTP ameer Hakeemullah Mehsud on November 1, 2013 in Waziristan, Imran strongly condemned the drone campaign. His party then staged a sit-in [on November 25, 2013] in Peshawar to initiate an anti-drone campaign countrywide.

As the civilian and military leadership finally decided in the wake of the failure of the dialogue process with Taliban to launch a military operation in North Waziristan, Imran voiced his opposition and reiterated his stance that the government should keep talking to Taliban.

Hardly two weeks before the Peshawar school carnage, Imran Khan said [on December 2, 2014] that if he had been in power, the army would not have been allowed to carry out the anti-Taliban operation.

Imran Khan recently said in a statement that if he had been in power he would not have sent the army to North Waziristan.

Consensus on Kalabagh dam impossible, says KP CM

The chief minister said that he had always remained anti-Kalabagh dam in his individual capacity and even participated in different rallies against it. “Kalabagh dam will be damaging for the Nowshera, Charsadda and Swabi districts besides some parts of Peshawar,” he said.

PTI MPA protests against CM Khattak

MPA Javed Naseem said he would hold a sit-in against Khattak in the provincial capital after Eid-ul-Azha as corruption in the government had forced him to come out onto the roads.

During Naseem’s news conference on Saturday the ‘Go Khattak Go’ slogan was chanted.

The MPA had earlier claimed that Imran Khan had protected dishonest and corrupt members of his government in KP. Naseem has also accused Khan of tolerating corruption.

One last time: Disgruntled MPAs to meet Khattak

“People want work from us,” he said. “On what basis will we ask for votes for the party if we have done nothing for the people?” The party member urged PTI Chairperson Imran Khan to resolve the issue otherwise results of the upcoming elections would be against the party.

IN RESPONSE....

No rift in KP PTI ranks: Khattak

Speaking at a news conference, he avoided making any comments when asked about the protest of some dissident PTI MPAs against his government.

Pervez Khattak said they had expelled two MPAs from his party, while the third was an independent.

It is okay to promote protest against federal government for allegedly corruption but not internal protest against allegedly internal corruption.

He said the leadership could take action against any member for violating party line.

Disgruntled PTI lawmakers preparing charge sheets against Khattak

17 PTI MNAs and MPAs have decided to prepare a charge sheet against KP Chief Minister over nepotism in affairs of the province. The sources said that the dissident groups of PTI are also preparing charge sheets against Chief Minister Pervez Khattak for awarding funds to like-minded members.

PTI MNAs rebellion: A fight between good and evil, but which is which?

“We were a 14-member group who had vowed to resist the corrupt practices of the cabinet ministers and of the chief minister. For the time being, I don’t know the exact number of my colleagues as all of us are scattered. I can give you a number once we sit down together,” he added.


He said that he had been vocal against corrupt practices and for accountability of the corrupt elements in the PTI government for the last two years but to no avail.


“My speeches against corruption and malpractices are a part of the assembly’s record. In a bid to disrupt our group, the chef minister picked some of my colleagues into his cabinet while some others have been made parliamentary secretaries. They had made Javed Nasim a parliamentary secretary while another colleague Azizullah Khan was also made parliamentary secretary yesterday (Tuesday),” he added.

Shahbaz wanted to cut deal with TTP as long they didn't conduct operations in Punjab: report

According to the report, Shahbaz Sharif’s willingness to negotiate is consistent with his public opinion at the time. The chief minister was a vociferous critic of General Pervez Musharraf’s policies and “blamed the escalation of violence in Pakistan on Pervez Musharraf.”

Even if PMLN wanted to cut deal, PMLN couldn't.

Rahman clarified that the deal was limited to the “governmental jurisdiction” of Punjab and did not include Islamabad.

It sounded absurd to hear that PMLN wanted to cut the deal with TTP when PMLN jurisdiction was restricted to Lahore only. If anything, It was the promised deal between Zardari and General Kiyani in exchange for renewed contract of General Kiyani for being silent observer during the tragedy in promise of not interfering the democratic state of affairs. During that time, it was Zardari with real democratic powers including the powers over Pakistan army ran Pakistan unopposed and the authority to launch military operation and to make deal with terrorist-outfit if required. Zardari was with the real powers, yet remained action-less against the indian-funded afghan-based terrorist outfit aka TTP for so long while Imran Khan, with no influence whatsoever, remained pro-TTP through thick and thin, and to the extent, even justified for the actions of TTP as per according to those articles i posted.

Unlike Nawaz Sharif which power-sharing agreement eventually forced on PMLN after the dharna in the year of 2014 thank to clueless anarchist aka Imran Khan, still Nawaz Sharif managed to work around the system with the possible influence on Pakistan. Not to mention, remain committed for military operation against TTP from the beginning including its historical stances of pro-military operations against MQM thrice in a row in each terms which the first two terms were disrupted within a year for 1st term and a year and half in second term. Even the third term, its term was almost disrupted by the combination factors of Dharna imposed on the undermining the integrity of the democratic process and to almost made room for military takeover almost succeeded if it wasn't for the understanding between both Sharifs aka Raheel and Nawaz.

A little more clarification which confusion is blown out of proportion...

“Gen Musharraf planned a bloodbath of innocent Muslims at the behest of others only to prolong his rule, but we in the PML-N opposed his policies and rejected dictation from abroad and if the Taliban are also fighting for the same cause then they should not carry out acts of terror in Punjab (where the PML-N is ruling),” he said at a seminar held here on Sunday to commemorate the services of late Mufti Muhammad Hussain Naeemi.

Taliban warn of reprisal if PML-N govt hangs militants

In a pamphlet, distributed in southern Punjab and South and North Waziristan tribal agencies in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province bordering Afghanistan, the terrorist outfit said that the government will be considered at war with them if it goes on to execute their colleagues currently serving jail terms and are on death row.

The pamphlet also warned the PML-N government to be wary of blindly following the Pakistan Army as it said the armed forces use political forces for their own gains. “They (Pak Army) will be in favour of yet another political force after alienating them at due time.”

Most important Imran Khan is not qualified to run the democratic government of Pakistan never mind for the provincial government of KPK which he should have been disqualified by now.

Imran should clear air in ‘daughter out of wedlock’ controversy

Kamran Khan said that Arsalan Iftikhar, son of former chief justice Chaudhry Iftikhar, has approached the ECP where on the basis of Imran Khan’s nomination papers Arsalan wants to prove that Imran Khan had concealed “the particulars of his daughter who was born out of wedlock” and thus he had contravened Article 62 of the Constitution, and the ECP must declare him ineligible to be a member of Parliament.

Kamran Khan said that this is a very serious matter for Imran Khan and for Pakistani politics because there is not a single instance in which a politician was proceeded against under Article 62 of the Constitution.

The allegation is not new, and it has been raised from time to time in the past as well, but Imran Khan had always preferred to remain silent over the matter, not offering any clarification or a denial or admittance.

Imran Khan has always kept mum over this matter, and he has never admitted or denied that a girl born Tyrian Jed was the result of his liaisons.

 

[Clutch]

I am truly convinced that you are clueless big time despite the opportunity i gave you, and the big hint that is staring right in front of your still evade you big time.



Bold was in response to your mindset in regard to quoting one of my post earlier.



Precisely why i gave up on debate since it is pointless to have debate with someone who has already assumed me as noora. Since you blew the opportunity to let this debate end with gracefully, i guess i have no choice but to call out on your Imran Khan now.

Is Imran Khan really pro-Taliban?



Imran Khan still backs talks with TTP






Talk with Taliban is the only option, says Imran



Imran Khan: “Yes, isolate the groups that are not willing to talk. So why not go against those Taliban who are responsible, who took responsibility for the killing of the 23 soldiers? Why not go after them?”

Isabelle Kumar: “Is that not what the military is doing at the moment?”

Imran Khan: “No. They are going to north Waziristan… this (attack) was done by the Momand Taliban which is a different agency all together. So they are already now bombing in north Waziristan and my fear is that this will actually lead to more violence.”

Isabelle Kumar: “Ok, you’ve also said, and correct me if I’m wrong, that if the Pakistani government was to withdraw its support for the US war on terror, was to stop US drone strikes in Pakistan the Pakistan Taliban would lose its momentum. Is that correct?”

Imran Khan: “The whole motivation behind this militancy was the US invasion of Afghanistan. This militancy started when the Pakistan army, under pressure from the Americans sent the Pakistan army into Waziristan and everything started from there, the collateral damage, drone attacks, the belief that the Pakistan army is fighting on behalf of the Americans, the Jihad syndrome, the suicide bomber. So that’s the motivation.”



Imran reluctant to alter his pro-Taliban stance















Consensus on Kalabagh dam impossible, says KP CM




PTI MPA protests against CM Khattak




One last time: Disgruntled MPAs to meet Khattak



IN RESPONSE....

No rift in KP PTI ranks: Khattak



It is okay to promote protest against federal government for allegedly corruption but not internal protest against allegedly internal corruption.



Disgruntled PTI lawmakers preparing charge sheets against Khattak




PTI MNAs rebellion: A fight between good and evil, but which is which?





Shahbaz wanted to cut deal with TTP as long they didn't conduct operations in Punjab: report


Even if PMLN wanted to cut deal, PMLN couldn't.



It sounded absurd to hear that PMLN wanted to cut the deal with TTP when PMLN restriction was limited to Lahore only. If anything, It was the promised deal between Zardari and General Kiyani in exchange for renewed contract of General Kiyani for being silent observer during the tragedy in promise of not interfering the democratic state of affairs. During that time, it was Zardari with real democratic powers including the powers over Pakistan army ran Pakistan unopposed and the authority to launch military operation and to make deal with terrorist-outfit if required. Zardari was with the real powers, yet remained action-less against the indian-funded afghan-based terrorist outfit aka TTP for so long while Imran Khan, with no influence whatsoever, remained pro-TTP through thick and thin, and to the extent, even justified for the actions of TTP as per according to those articles i posted.

unlike Nawaz Sharif which power-sharing agreement eventually forced on PMLN after the dharna in the year of 2014 thank to clueless anarchist aka Imran Khan.

A little more clarification which confusion is blown out of proportion...




Taliban warn of reprisal if PML-N govt hangs militants




Most important Imran Khan is not qualified to run the democratic government of Pakistan never mind for the provincial government of KPK which he should have been disqualified by now.

Imran should clear air in ‘daughter out of wedlock’ controversy

Ironically that very Taliban he has a soft spot for... will decapitate his head for being a "gora-fied kaafir who doesn't grow a monkey beard and wear his shalwar halfway up his shin" .

I call it naivety ... he has proven it countless times with his failed dharnas. Which is fine when it comes to political shanahanigans... but ill afforded when it comes to the war on terror.

Pakistan cannot afford to make errors in judgement when it comes to the war in terror and extremism... otherwise the consequences are a lot worse than a failed protest.

Imrans heart is in the right place.... But he still hasn't grown up to be sitting on a table of grownups.

Like the guy... as long as he stays in the opposition... but as an effective opposition... not like the one they have been so far.

 

[IceCold]

@Fallen King
I didnt bother to read your post, because it was filled with rants and little substance. Now call me clueless or whatever it doesn't matter really. Only those call others clueless who have no idea themselves about the ground realities and to them anything and everything starts and ends with NS.

 

[Finer]

@Fallen King
I didnt bother to read your post, because it was filled with rants and little substance. Now call me clueless or whatever it doesn't matter really. Only those call others clueless who have no idea themselves about the ground realities and to them anything and everything starts and ends with NS.

I didn't call you clueless. You are acting like clueless. There is the differences. Anyone will tell the same reading our heated debate.

Anyways, as for rant with little substance. Let's walk through your words.

Facts? More like rants. Facts are based on proofs not rants. I presented proofs from reliable sources to back my argument about Sharifs what have you? All you did was to show the hypocrisy in your argument, one that you use often to target IK labelling him as a TTP supporter but the same does not stand true for the Sharifs.

I presented everything in that post now in front of you while you posted one article that provided incomplete information with weak substance to none whatsoever. Despite of that, i did give you benefit of doubt, and now, you have the all the evidences to walk through including the words of Imran Khan personally by himself on the record which can hardly be rant anymore unless you are calling Imran Khan 'Loudmouth' who rants and 'Liat Liar' who lies.