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Congress turns against Pakistan

Really?

Then why is every other Al-Qaida HVT found in Pakistan?

The link of global terrorism to Pakistan is all too evident for anyone to deny.

You don't get it? I am talking about why WoT was started and any links that bharatis delude themselves into believing. At the time, US started a senseless war and pushed some of these guys into Pakistan. And that time Al Qaida was in Afghanistan. But not only that, radicalization increased exponentially due to this war. Such a senseless war was never going to achieve its purposes.

My point is about deluded bharatis saying that Pakistan has brought this upon itself and that Pakistan is cleaning its own backyard and shouldn't be paid to do that. Well, cut the BS. The oversimplification by these guys is astounding. To call it an oversimplifcation in fact is putting it mildly.
 
Also to add something else, Taliban wasn't even involved in 9/11 - which is what this WoT has turned against. Taliban was asking for proof of Al Qaeda involvement and was ready to hand over OBL, but US rejected that and started a senseless war. This is what has brought the region into where it's state, not what some deluded bharatis say.

proof ?? WTF

Do you even think that they hand over OBL or any one else ???

India provide all evidence against Hafiz Said to Pakistan even voice sample but he is still roaming freely
 
proof ?? WTF

Do you even think that they hand over OBL or any one else ???

India provide all evidence against Hafiz Said to Pakistan even voice sample but he is still roaming freely

You first have to provide evidence to them then talk. If they don't hand it over then it's another story.

Bush's words were something along the lines of "We don't need to provide evidence, we know they were involved".

Also, Taliban itself was against this whole jihad brought by Al Qaida. They didn't like him very much. So yes I have reason to believe that they would've handed him over.
 
meh! I didn't vote for him.

At least he somehow manages to get the loans. Your PM, on the other hand, goes in large delegations around the world begging countries not to sell arms and not to aid Pakistan. At the end of the day, who gets what they want?

you told the South Africans not to sell us anti-radiation missiles in 2008 and just a few months later, we had them in our possesion. So you see -- yes it's silly of the so-called politicians of ours to ask for loan rescheduling or waivers et al -- when instead they could address the real issue which is a weak tax collection rate. I'm still fairly confident that despite the woes, the average Pakistani is still much better off and lives in better standards than the standard indian --650 million of whom are still living in abject poverty and are voiceless beings. But again, side issue we can leave for another time and place.

Uhhhmmmmm....wasn't it the french arms deal, I don't exactly remember the details, which my govt. just got scuttled?

A far as getting my country something, he at least manages to get a darn nuke deal pretty much everywhere he goes not to mention global acclaim that an economist of his stature enjoys without an effort.

the IMF in my mind is a dreaded institution and always the least preferred option; so if they decide to ''chide'' Pakistan --it's a blessing in disguise. Incidentally, the reserves position is not precarious as it was in 2008 when we only had enough to support 1-2 months worth of imports.

In your mind, and in your mind only. The IMF matters. You might not like it but it's not your opinion that counts.

oh you're absolutely right...but i've seen some God-honest attempts from that side of yours and they proved to be futile (at best)

uuhhmmmm...let me put it this way to ease it up on your brain,

WE'RE SCALIN' UP. HA!

well it is most unfortunate that in your case, to do two things at once is to do neither.

...and there's Abu's attempt at humour.

Ha!
 
You don't get it? I am talking about why WoT was started and any links that bharatis delude themselves into believing. At the time, US started a senseless war and pushed some of these guys into Pakistan. And that time Al Qaida was in Afghanistan. But not only that, radicalization increased exponentially due to this war. Such a senseless war was never going to achieve its purposes.

My point is about deluded bharatis saying that Pakistan has brought this upon itself and that Pakistan is cleaning its own backyard and shouldn't be paid to do that. Well, cut the BS. The oversimplification by these guys is astounding. To call it an oversimplifcation in fact is putting it mildly.

It can be but only if you really want to finish terrorism

TTP harm you that's why you want to finish them but what about LeT ??

Pakistan used Taliban for their own interest but now things changed
 
It can be but only if you really want to finish terrorism

TTP harm you that's why you want to finish them but what about LeT ??

Pakistan used Taliban for their own interest but now things changed

No it can't. It's hard to believe for bharatis but the only way this can end is through US stopping support for Israel, create Palestinian state, solve Kashmir issue, and quit the meddling in Muslim countries. And no, Muslims didn't start attacking first. US supported Israel first and meddled in Muslim countries first.

You can wait another 50 years and as long as US foreign policy doesn't change dramatically, it won't happened.

Though the aim of Al Qaeda was to bleed US economically and perhaps have US break up. That is probably a better and more humiliating end to US imperialism.
 
No it can't. It's hard to believe for bharatis but the only way this can end is through US stopping support for Israel, create Palestinian state, solve Kashmir issue, and quit the meddling in Muslim countries. And no, Muslims didn't start attacking first. US supported Israel first and meddled in Muslim countries first.

Why you labeling it muslim ??

And if it cant then things not gonna change. Any terror attack on US and they gonna start war against you (Not directly but I guess they already start it like drone attack and latest one OBL)

And what about reputation in world ???
 
You can wait another 50 years and as long as US foreign policy doesn't change dramatically, it won't happened.

Though the aim of Al Qaeda was to bleed US economically and perhaps have US break up. That is probably a better and more humiliating end to US imperialism.

You are on the way to next Iraq and Afghanistan :wave:
 
Why you labeling it muslim ??

And if it cant then things not gonna change. Any terror attack on US and they gonna start war against you (Not directly but I guess they already start it like drone attack and latest one OBL)

And what about reputation in world ???

They can start war with Pakistan, then they will have to move to some middle eastern countries, then back to Afghanistan, back to Pakistan, etc. Endless cycle. The simple fact is that neither you nor the US is willing to acknowledge that some of their policies is causing this to happen.

Reputation? Well Pakistan doesn't control them. You can remove them from Pakistan, they will go to Central Asia, middle east, North Africa, etc. It's an endless cycle.

You are on the way to next Iraq and Afghanistan :wave:

And then middle east, North Africa, Central Asia. US will become bankrupt much before WoT ends.

The thing is that bharatis are fixated on Pakistan in the context of WoT, but the bigger picture is much different.

In America it's not just Pakistan that gets discussed. I know it must be hard to believe for bharatis - their anomisty with Pakistan leads them to this delusion -, but Pakistan is just one part of the puzzle. US, their media, and some of their people know the real deal.
 
No it can't. It's hard to believe for bharatis but the only way this can end is through US stopping support for Israel, create Palestinian state, solve Kashmir issue, and quit the meddling in Muslim countries. And no, Muslims didn't start attacking first. US supported Israel first and meddled in Muslim countries first.

You can wait another 50 years and as long as US foreign policy doesn't change dramatically, it won't happened.

Though the aim of Al Qaeda was to bleed US economically and perhaps have US break up. That is probably a better and more humiliating end to US imperialism.

The problem with islamic world and more importantly Pakistan is they think they are always the victims...y do u want to care wat is wrong in other countries???

..first try to resolve ur country's mess,then think of Palestine and Kashmir...apne watan ko chalaana nahi jaante magar duniya ka theka leke rakhe hain

and lastly stop blackmailing US or India or any country for that matter of fact....if u think that we are going to give away our land or strategic interests so that u guys stop blowing urself up..then think again...

even if we give away kashmir to u in silver platter..wats stopping u guys from claiming more...ppl like hafiz sayeed already said that his ultimate goal is to islamize India,after kashmir is taken..so wat do we do?? kill ourselves???

In Palestine issue, hamas is just not after land but want to exterminate jews once for and all..so wat US should allow that???
 
The problem with islamic world and more importantly Pakistan is they think they are always the victims...y do u want to care wat is wrong in other countries???

..first try to resolve ur country's mess,then think of Palestine and Kashmir...apne watan ko chalaana nahi jaante magar duniya ka theka leke rakhe hain

and lastly stop blackmailing US or India or any country for that matter of fact....if u think that we are going to give away our land or strategic interests so that u guys stop blowing urself up..then think again...

even if we give away kashmir to u in silver platter..wats stopping u guys from claiming more...ppl like hafiz sayeed already said that his ultimate goal is to islamize India,after kashmir is taken..so wat do we do?? kill ourselves???

In Palestine issue, hamas is just not after land but want to exterminate jews once for and all..so wat US should allow that???

First off, stop picking Kashmir issue. It's one issue in a whole web of issue, and in fact in the big picture it's not that important. I know it might be hard to believe for bharatis, but the whole world doesn't revolve around bharat and their concerns. As mentioned in my previous post, only in bharat is Pakistan considered the only part of the problem. The problem extends far beyond.

The major issues are Palestinian issue and US meddling in Muslim countries. Hamas wants to exterminate jews - that doesn't mean you don't solve the Palestinian issue. The land was stolen from Palestinian, and they now live under occupation and fear. They're constantly bombarded with 100% support from US.

Also, I suppose you have no issues with what I said about US meddling in Muslim countries.
 
The problem with islamic world and more importantly Pakistan is they think they are always the victims...y do u want to care wat is wrong in other countries???

They have problem with TTP but LeT "freedom fighter" for them

Al Qiada network running from Pakistan . Every terror link end with Pakistan connection

Do you even think they have any right to show them self as victim . This is the biggest joke
 
They have problem with TTP but LeT "freedom fighter" for them

Al Qiada network running from Pakistan . Every terror link end with Pakistan connection

Do you even think they have any right to show them self as victim . This is the biggest joke

You're making a diversion now. My post was about foxbat making BS remarks as discussed in my post #54.
 
First off, stop picking Kashmir issue. It's one issue in a whole web of issue, and in fact in the big picture it's not that important. I know it might be hard to believe for bharatis, but the whole world doesn't revolve around bharat and their concerns. As mentioned in my previous post, only in bharat is Pakistan considered the only part of the problem. The problem extends far beyond.

The major issues are Palestinian issue and US meddling in Muslim countries. Hamas wants to exterminate jews - that doesn't mean you don't solve the Palestinian issue. The land was stolen from Palestinian, and they now live under occupation and fear. They're constantly bombarded with 100% support from US.

Also, I suppose you have no issues with what I said about US meddling in Muslim countries.

I think you should come out from this Muslim brother hood imagination world

First solve your own problems then think about others
 
May 10, 2011 10:49 AM
Boehner to Pakistan: "Are we real allies?"
Posted by Lucy Madison

House Speaker John Boehner said on Tuesday that the U.S. and Pakistan needed to figure out once and for all the nature of what has been oft-described a "complicated" relationship, noting that "I see an ally" but "I think it's a moment when we need to look each other in the eye and decide, are we real allies?

Speaking in an interview on NBC's "Today Show," Boehner emphasized Pakistan's crucial role in the U.S. war on terror, but said that "I don't think we ought to have questions" about whether or not the country was truly working with the America to achieve its goals.

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"I see an ally [in Pakistan]," Boehner told NBC's Matt Lauer. "But clearly there are questions that remain about what they knew or didn't know about bin Laden being in their country. There are certainly questions about their willingness to pursue some terrorists but maybe not others."

"I do trust them," he added, "But I think it's a moment when we need to look each other in the eye and decide, are we real allies? Are we going to work together? And if we are, you're either all in or you're not in."

Questions about the strength of the relationship between the U.S. and Pakistani governments have become increasingly fraught in the days since the death of Osama bin Laden, particularly in light of the fact that the al Qaeda leader had been living in a conspicuous mansion in suburban Islamabad for at least five years before he was found. Many, including President Obama, have wondered whether or not high-level officials in Pakistan were knowingly harboring the man for whom the U.S. searched for nearly ten years since 9/11.

But Boehner, like most lawmakers, reiterated Pakistan's key role in the U.S. mission in Afghanistan, and urged Americans not to minimize the sacrifices many Pakistanis have made in the process.

"Pakistan has been a real asset when it comes to fighting the war on terror," Boehner said. "And let's never forget that Pakistan has lost more troops and more individuals than we have here in America. So they have been an ally. They have been helpful."

The Ohio Republican has emphasized over the last week that now is "not a time to back away from Pakistan" -- and that reducing financial aid to the nation would be "premature."

"Is it expensive?" Boehner asked recently, of the nearly $20 billion the U.S. has provided to Pakistan since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He conceded that it had, but that the expenditures have "been worth it."

Boehner added, however, that "there are questions and I don't think we ought to have questions."

He also commented on the 2012 Republican presidential field - though he declined to endorse a particular candidate.

"There are a lot of good candidates out there. Donald Trump would be one of them, maybe. He really hasn't said if he's running or not running," Boehner said, when questioned about his support for the reality television host.

"I would expect that we haven't seen all of the candidates yet," he added. "I understand my good friend Newt Gingrich is about to announce. I think he brings an awful lot to the debate. But there are a lot of candidates, and the process of going through presidential primary will sort out the good from the bad and we'll end up with a very good candidate."

Boehner also piled on in praising first-term Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who, despite his relative inexperience, is being courted by a number of powerful Republicans to enter the race.

"I know him pretty well. I think he's done a great job and he speaks English, which the American people like, English, like in plain talk," Boehner said, of Christie. "I think Mitch Daniels is looking pretty seriously at this -- the governor of Indiana - another person who's got a track record of reform in his state, the kind of reforms we need in Washington, D.C."
 

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