Congrats Tejas MK1A will be approved this budget year for 5 Squadrons

[Peaceful Civilian]

Budget approval? Seeing is believing!

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

DSI tech was tested on F16...but not produced on large scale on any F16 variant. As for J10 only J10C(and not the previous iterations of J10) has DSI and still China continues to use 100s of J10A and J10B that don't have DSI. J31 is only at prototype stage. The only aircrafts that have been mass produced with DSI are F35, J10C, and JF17. So what exactly are u trying to prove here? Can u counter his argument that "there are plenty of very effective fighter jets without DSI"? Or r u just arguing for the sake of argument?

This is like like saying there was no BVR capability in the history so it not required.

DSI tech was introduced in 1996 way before F-16s were made.

In fact LM used F-16s to test DSI tech for F-35 program.

All US & Chinese fighters that were created after the introduction of DSI have DSI.

India created LCA in 2001 but did not have DSI because they could not.

 

[Cookie Monster]

This is like like saying there was no BVR capability in the history so it not required.

Not an accurate comparison. One is way more crucial than the other. BVR tech gives one fighter jet a decisive advantage over the other jet(the one that lacks BVR)...the same isn't true for DSI tech.

DSI tech was introduced in 1996 way before F-16s were made

F16 has been in production since before 1996. Check ur facts before writing stuff on here.

In fact LM used F-16s to test DSI tech for F-35 program.

I already mentioned that in my post...that DSI was tested on F16...but it never went into mass production. The latest variants of F16s DO NOT HAVE DSI.

All US & Chinese fighters that were created after the introduction of DSI have DSI.

That's bcuz it is convenient to have. While u r making a fighter jet FROM SCRATCH...why wouldn't one add the tech they already have? Is Tejas being made from scratch? No it is not. Did US and China throw out their non DSI fighter jets? NO THEY DID NOT...they still operate hundreds of non DSI fighter jets.

India created LCA in 2001 but did not have DSI because they could not.

Bcuz India has not worked on DSI tech. Therefore hasn't added it to Tejas. Does that automatically mean that Tejas is going to suck? All bcuz it lacks DSI? No it does not...so what's the point of bringing it up?

U r simply not understanding what is being discussed. Nobody is bashing DSI tech or saying that it's useless. What is being said is that DSI tech isn't some crucial tech without which a fighter jet loses its effectiveness. There are MANY very capable amazing fighter jets that can do their jobs marvelously...such as flankers(their many variants), F15, F16, F18, F22, Rafale, Typhoon, J10A and J10B, etc. So to repeat a third time...

Can u counter his original argument that "the lack of DSI doesn't make a fighter jet less effective"?

OR to rephrase since u r not understanding...
Would not having DSI make or break Tejas? The answer is no...DSI isn't crucial for a fighter jet to be effective at its job.

 

[ziaulislam]

Indi

Tejas MK1A budget will be approved this budget year...

I have got this insider info from minister of state finance...

Congrats for all Indian posters here and this will shut the mouth of ill informed Pakistani posters here who always criticise Tejas ...

Already GE got the orders for over 100 engines for same... no going back now even if this govt. doesn’t get elected in 2024

India has no money ..tejas is THE only option ..
Gripen or rafale is too exepensive

 

[Trango Towers]

Tejas MK1A budget will be approved this budget year...

I have got this insider info from minister of state finance...

Congrats for all Indian posters here and this will shut the mouth of ill informed Pakistani posters here who always criticise Tejas ...

Already GE got the orders for over 100 engines for same... no going back now even if this govt. doesn’t get elected in 2024

Pakistan wishes you buy nothing but tejas....after 41 years you finally get a squadron..

Will it be flying on the back of a truck still whilst shutting the mouth of Pakistanis who bitch slapped you on feb 27 2019

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

No u r simply not understanding what is being discussed. Nobody is bashing DSI tech or saying that it's useless. What is being said is that DSI tech isn't some crucial tech without which a fighter jet loses its effectiveness. There are MANY very capable amazing fighter jets that can do their jobs marvelously...such as flankers(their many variants), F15, F16, F18, F22, Rafale, Typhoon, J10A and J10B, etc. So to repeat a third time...

Can u counter his original argument that "the lack of DSI doesn't make a fighter jet less effective"?

OR to rephrase since u r not understanding...
Would not having DSI make or break Tejas? The answer is no...DSI isn't crucial for a fighter jet to be effective at its job.

Again you are arguing for the sake of argument.

All the fighters that you mentioned lack DSI because they were created before the introduction of DSI tech.

LCA Tejas was created after the introduction of DSI Tech.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Again you are arguing for the sake of argument.

All the fighters that you mentioned lack DSI because they were created before the introduction of DSI tech.

LCA Tejas was created after the introduction of DSI Tech.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not.

Read my post again...I updated it for u...
...and go read ur original post where u replied that Tejas is ill designed bcuz it lacks DSI
Congrats Tejas MK1A will be approved this budget year for 5 Squadrons

Is F18 ill designed? Is F15 ill designed? Or F16? F22? Do go on and tell us how all these other aircrafts that lack DSI are ill designed.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Read my post again...I updated it for u...
...and go read ur original post where u replied that Tejas is ill designed bcuz it lacks DSI
Congrats Tejas MK1A will be approved this budget year for 5 Squadrons

Is F18 ill designed? Is F15 ill designed? Or F16? F22? Do go on and tell us how all these other aircrafts that lack DSI are ill designed.

Again for the nth time, all those fighters that you are listing were created before DSI tech was introduced.

Tejas was ill designed as it was created after the advent of DSI tech on the horizon.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not.

 

[Surya 1]

Tejas ihas emerged as ruthless fighter. With small size and decent load carrying capacity, width top class AESA radar and ultra long range BVR, Tejas is capable of out classing ant fighter in neighborhood. Most of the potential enemies of Tejas except something like F 16 will give Tejas a walk over.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Again for the nth time, all those fighters that you are listing were created before DSI tech was introduced.

Tejas was ill designed as it was created after the advent of DSI tech on the horizon.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not.

The design for Tejas was finalized in 1990. US(Lockheed Martin to be specific) which is way ahead of India technologically didn't start looking into DSI until the early 1990s(the F16 testbed first flew with DSI in 1996). So tell me again how Tejas could have taken into account for its design...a technology that not even the most advanced country on Earth yet possessed? More importantly how is it so detrimental for Tejas to not have DSI?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

width top class AESA radar and ultra long range BVR, Tejas is capable of out classing ant fighter in neighborhood

Plz elaborate on it and compare it with JF 17 Block 3

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

The design for Tejas was finalized in 1990. US(Lockheed Martin to be specific) which is way ahead of India technologically didn't start looking into DSI until the early 1990s(the F16 testbed first flew with DSI in 1996). So tell me again how Tejas could have taken into account for its design...a technology that not even the most advanced country on Earth yet possessed? More importantly how is it so detrimental for Tejas to not have DSI?

They has 5 full years after DSI was introduced to incorporate it in Tejas.

Okay even if we assume that 5 years was short period, they could not even add it in the next 20 years from 2001 through 2020.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not add it.

 

[Cookie Monster]

They has 5 full years after DSI was introduced to incorporate it in Tejas.

Okay even if we assume that 5 years was short period, they could not even add it in the next 20 years from 2001 through 2020.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not add it.

So once the design was finalized in 1990...u want them to stop from progressing to the next stage of building the prototype...go back to the board...and add DSI...a technology only the US had barely started working on and India didn't even have?

Not to mention DSI isn't that crucial...like a HOBS missile or AESA radar would be for example. All it does...is that instead of the splitter plate, the "bump" diverts the boundary layer airflow away from the engine. Is that worth making iterations to the design that had just been finalized? Is it worth discarding the prototypes that were already in the works based on the finalized design? Does it make sense to waste money like that for a project that was already having cost overruns? Does it make sense to worry about developing DSI when they were having troubles with their engine development?

They can always add it in the next iterations of the aircraft...just like how J10A and J10B were inducted without it...and DSI was incorporated on J10C. The point of the discussion is that instead of taking pot shots at Tejas over irrelevant issues that don't matter...why not talk about it's capabilities...what sort of a threat it might pose to PAF if inducted in numbers...it's cost effectiveness...etc. What purpose does it serve to nitpick over things that aren't that big of an issue(like DSI) and score some brownie points?

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

So once the design was finalized in 1990...u want them to stop from progressing to the next stage of building the prototype...go back to the board...and add DSI...a technology only the US had barely started working on and India didn't even have?

Not to mention DSI isn't that crucial...like a HOBS missile or AESA radar would be for example. All it does...is that instead of the splitter plate, the "bump" diverts the boundary layer airflow away from the engine. Is that worth making iterations to the design that had just been finalized? Is it worth discarding the prototypes that were already in the works based on the finalized design? Does it make sense to waste money like that for a project that was already having cost overruns? Does it make sense to worry about developing DSI when they were having troubles with their engine development?

They can always add it in the next iterations of the aircraft...just like how J10A and J10B were inducted without it...and DSI was incorporated on J10C. The point of the discussion is that instead of taking pot shots at Tejas over irrelevant issues that don't matter...why not talk about it's capabilities...what sort of a threat it might pose to PAF if inducted in numbers...it's cost effectiveness...etc. What purpose does it serve to nitpick over things that aren't that big of an issue(like DSI) and score some brownie points?

And you completely ignored to answer why they did not add DSI between 2001 through 2020.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not add it. That is the cold hard fact.

It is on J-10C and JF-17 as Chinese have mastered the tech to add it.

And why are you supporting this kuffar nation?

Tejas is not a threat to Pakistan. Where was Tejas on 27th Feb, 2019? With its tail between legs and hiding deep down somewhere in the South India?

JF-17 were flying and confronted SU-30s while Tejas was a no show.

 

[Cookie Monster]

And you completely ignored to answer why they did not add DSI between 2001 through 2020.

I did...if only u had read carefully. I said they can always add it in the next iterations. The Tejas they are going to induct...is the first iteration...the very first operational variant that had already seen excessive cost overruns...so AGAIN it made no economical sense to spend money in developing DSI tech to incorporate on to it when it wasn't crucial to have(as I have already said). They can always add it to the next iterations of Tejas...there's no time limit after which DSI would expire.

Tejas does not have it because Indians could not add it. That is the cold hard fact.

What does that have to do with ur claim of "ill design"? Can u tell me how the lack of DSI impedes the flight performance of Tejas? Would it make it less effective for air to air engagements? Would it make it less effective in air to ground operations?

It is on J-10C and JF-17 as Chinese have mastered the tech to add it.

Would DSI on JF17 help it destroy scores of Tejas that lack DSI? Do u see the irrelevance of the "flaw" u brought up?

And why are you supporting this kuffar nation?

Tejas is not a threat to Pakistan. Where was Tejas on 27th Feb, 2019? With its tail between legs and hiding deep down somewhere in the South India?

JF-17 were flying and confronted SU-30s while Tejas was a no show.

Im not supporting them. The fault is with ur behavior. It is precisely this kind of behavior that caused such a huge embarrassment for IAF and India. They are constantly underestimating Pak by saying things like "JF17 is cheap", "Pak only does the paint job", "Chinese maal...cheap quality", etc. All the while overestimating their own jets like Su30 MKI being "mini AWACS" and the "upgraded bisons being enough to handle PAF".

That is exactly what u r doing here. Instead of evaluating Tejas on its performance parameters...u r trying to find faults that won't matter in aerial engagement like ur DSI argument. Why not look at the threat it might pose to PAF's aging F7s or Mirages? Tejas is a low cost(relatively) fighter jet...which can in significant numbers pose a threat to PAF's outdated fighter jets.