Conflict between India, Pakistan not religious: Israel

[Ganga]

But then again the ruler of Hyderabad Deccan Signed the instrument to join the muslim state of Pakistan. and even though Hyderabad was majority muslim... India Still invaded it and annexed it. In other words a forced integration...

so you see my friend. The intentions of Indian rulers were dirty from the very beginning.

The division of the subcontinent was on the basis of religion. Kashmir was majority muslim.. and the muslims of Kashmir wanted and still want to be part of Pakistan. They still celebrate the independence day with Pakistan on the 14th of August. Pakistan's flag is raised still every year in a state which India claims to be their integral part. What a shame.

Free those people. India has murdered countless number of muslims there already. they do not want to be with you. See the protest. See the insecurity because of which India has stationed 700,000 military there. More than the total number of Pakistani armed forces.

Hyderabad state was a Hindu majority state.At least 80 % of the population was Hindu.Get your facts right first .

 

[Spring Onion]

And who is this more than anyone greater than god himself....

Since we being Muslims have only ONiE God so obviously for us its none other than the Only God.

I can not day about others' gods.

According to the same international maps Kashmir is disputed not a separate country....

The disputed country of Kashmir

And they have already shown their choice by voting in Indian elections.

those shame elections bwahahaha. if they have shown their choice for India then why bharatis are scared to hold a referendum?

Try it without bhartis invader guns and see the choice and if they shown their choice for bharat then we will accept it.

any shame election under bharti invasion is not authentic neither acceptable to anyone other than the occupier India

Let me say that again give me a link where Mukti Bahini had been declared terrorist organization or STFU

First of all leave your bharti drawing room language at your home and then come up for discussion on Indian state terrorism against Pakistan 71.

and again dont hide Indian state terrorism behind mukti bahini.

What was that? But what about the binding force of muslims cannot live with Hindus.

Its in fact Hindus can not live with Muslims in India and that has been proven already see the plight of Muslims in India, see Gujrat, See Babri Mosque and above all check your so-called secular justice system that had recently exposed itself in babri mosque case.

alas it was proved that muslims cannot live with muslims either on your side.

Muslim Ummah does not mean all Muslims should be living in ONE country.

And see two nation theory is more than living in ONE country.

We have only ONE God, One qilblam One Book you being hindu have many gods and many other practices.

 

[Storm Force]

The indo Pak Conflict is about the Domination of South Asian Peninsula.

This domination includes Who Holds

The Water supply which runs thru Kashmir Valley
The best strategic heights
Most Land
Best Economy
Best Military might.

With The domination comes the winners right to dictate terms on how both parties co exist.

Religion is NOT THE WAR

" YOU CAN ALL DECIDE WHO IS WINNING SO FAR"

 

[makikirkiri]

@JANA
Spare my gods and ur god from the discussion. Indians are all happy for having gotten rid of the pakistanis and vice-versa.So the 2 nation theory stands vindicated.

Yeah we sent in trained and armed people as mukti bahini and broke ur country into 2.
We occupy kashmir , we don't and won't hold a plebiscite for its accession.
We stop ur rivers and convert ur plains to desert.
We'll make further efforts to further break you up.You'll have to convert all your schools into madressahs and training camps to defend against our conventional build up.
We'll starve you economically and socially .
For once ,show us Indians what muslim ummah can do anything abt all this .

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@JANA
Spare my gods and ur god from the discussion. Indians are all happy for having gotten rid of the pakistanis and vice-versa.So the 2 nation theory stands vindicated.

Yeah we sent in trained and armed people as mukti bahini and broke ur country into 2.
We occupy kashmir , we don't and won't hold a plebiscite for its accession.
We stop ur rivers and convert ur plains to desert.
We'll make further efforts to further break you up.You'll have to convert all your schools into madressahs and training camps to defend against our conventional build up.
We'll starve you economically and socially .
For once ,show us Indians what muslim ummah can do anything abt all this .

R u a failed stand up comedian? u talk like 1.
EPIC FAIL LOSER.

 

[somebozo]

sensible statement coming out of an otherwise religion obsessed country! Road is being paved for recognition of Israel in case the arabi shift gets closer to India.

 

[Storm Force]

The Arabs are already Closer to India than Pakistan

So are the Israelis

And Germans & The Russians

Infact i think the Americans have switched to india as well

EVEN THE BRITS

 

[rohailmalhi]

yeah they will every body will go to the place where they can milk the cow until its dry of milk and then they will leave.

 

[makikirkiri]

@Pakistani Nationalist

my dear none of those r things that u rn't accusing us of.
I just conceded all ur accusations and wishes .
Never interested in making it prick. not at all in making u laugh.
However try answering the question-- if not here on the forum ..but atleast in ur own mind. Might do some good for the future of our region.

 

[DGMO]

I beg to differ no offence to Pakistani members but it is a political issue which has been given religious color in Pakistan....

This can be very much be evident from the maximum statements from common public in Pakistan start with the word Hindu and on the Indian side they start with Pakistan

Or P0rkistan if you're one of the countless readers leaving comments on HT, ToI, IE or Rediff.

Not to mention beginning sentences with the common 'these muslims', references to mullahs (when referring to Pakistani's) and other comments that touch on our Islamic roots.

So yes, this particular Pakistani member does beg to differ, and I'm sure the many on this board will too.

Flaming of religions lies on both sides. But to cast yourself in a 'holier than thou' light isn't fair. Just reading the anti-Pak comments on Indian news websites (or should that be anti-Islam?) is testament to that.

The rise of the Right in both countries has made peace more difficult. Saner minds and voices will have to prevail.

In response to the Israeli diplomat, although the countries aren't fighting a religious battle betwen themselves, the main dispute (Kashmir) has religious connotations. So he's wrong.

Therefore, the conflict IMO is a hybrid politico-religious one. Throw in the Kashmiri Pandits (with Hindu-majority India in the background), then you have an obvious battle between two religions. It's not an out and out overt battle, not a clash between Islam and Hinduism, but it makes a significant part of the backdrop.

 

[divya]

Since we being Muslims have only ONiE God so obviously for us its none other than the Only God.

I can not day about others' gods.

But your comment said more than that....

The disputed country of Kashmir

Seems u flunked some geography classes back in school if there was geography... Anyways let me help you. Here is the map

if you need further guidance please feel free to ask.

those shame elections bwahahaha. if they have shown their choice for India then why bharatis are scared to hold a referendum?

Are Bhartiya on your payroll or what that we have to listen to your nonsense demands. Leave P0K and give it back we will unite and then we might think about doing it after all you are the aggressor as per UN.

Try it without bhartis invader guns and see the choice and if they shown their choice for bharat then we will accept it.

Move your forces out of P0K we will think of it after that.

any shame election under bharti invasion is not authentic neither acceptable to anyone other than the occupier India

As per UN resolution you are the agressor not us.

First of all leave your bharti drawing room language at your home and then come up for discussion on Indian state terrorism against Pakistan 71.

Leave the conspiracy bandwagon of Pakistan first

and again dont hide Indian state terrorism behind mukti bahini.

Still to proove about the links where mukti bahini is terrorist organization.

Its in fact Hindus can not live with Muslims in India and that has been proven already see the plight of Muslims in India, see Gujrat, See Babri Mosque and above all check your so-called secular justice system that had recently exposed itself in babri mosque case.

Lol more muslims have been killed in pakistan by your fellow muslim brothers. So my points still hold valid as it is still justified that your side of muslims cannot live with muslims either if that is the case.

As far as Babri is concerned Indian muslims if they have objections they can very well go to Supreme court. There was a temple there and the Mosque was built on it. Court passed the judgement Indians accepted it apart from the likes of IM and company.

Muslim Ummah does not mean all Muslims should be living in ONE country.

And see two nation theory is more than living in ONE country.

Muslim Ummah-- so much for the Ummah that there was operation search light. your half ummah is confused about what is the actual version of islam to follow. As of now many nation theory is living in Pakistan where muslims are fighting for which is actual Islam.

We have only ONE God, One qilblam One Book you being hindu have many gods and many other practices.

You should thank god that you have only one.

 

[Awesome]

So hindus came up with 2 nation theory what next? Hindus demanded a separate homeland for Hindus and got separated from pakistan


and you are very much correct Jinnah wanted more powers for muslims which was discriminatory where as other leaders were of the view of equal distribution of power between hindus and muslims under democracy.

Hindus, namely Gandhi brought in religious symbolism to the independence movement. Usage of words like ahimsa, sachagara, always made the Muslims believe that the footing is being set that a post British era would be hindu dominated.

As evidenced by the 1935 elections the voting was done by Hindus purely on religious grounds as well. Muslim dominated areas chose AIML, and Hindus chose AIC.

Furthermore, Jinnah merely demanded Pakistan to be a separate autonomous state within India and not a separate country, sort of like how Hong Kong is for China. This was agreed, maps was drawn, Gandhi was in agreement as well, The British had set up a committee to make it happen - read Jaswant Singh's book and it will tell you that Nehru fearing that he won't become a true PM rose Hindu sentiments against Pakistan and decided to forcibly keep everything as is.

This wasn't anti-discriminatory this was greed.

That was the straw that broke the camel's back and the seeds of mis-trust between our two nations were laid down, from that point on, we became two different nation groups not just two different religious groups.

 

[divya]

Hindus, namely Gandhi brought in religious symbolism to the independence movement. Usage of words like ahimsa, sachagara, always made the Muslims believe that the footing is being set that a post British era would be hindu dominated.

As evidenced by the 1935 elections the voting was done by Hindus purely on religious grounds as well. Muslim dominated areas chose AIML, and Hindus chose AIC.

Furthermore, Jinnah merely demanded Pakistan to be a separate autonomous state within India and not a separate country, sort of like how Hong Kong is for China. This was agreed, maps was drawn, Gandhi was in agreement as well, The British had set up a committee to make it happen - read Jaswant Singh's book and it will tell you that Nehru fearing that he won't become a true PM rose Hindu sentiments against Pakistan and decided to forcibly keep everything as is.

This wasn't anti-discriminatory this was greed.

That was the straw that broke the camel's back and the seeds of mis-trust between our two nations were laid down, from that point on, we became two different nation groups not just two different religious groups.

Though i agree with your point as far as nehru was concerned and his quest for power.

But at the same time there was no point of having a state within a state which would have further divided the hindus and muslims. the very idea of secular Bharat would have been scrapped in moment and the whole country would have been divided into individual groups with their own feudal lords in the long run on the religous or ethinic grounds. There was so much diversity of population that a single jolt which would divide the common man would have resulted in the division of the whole society. Right to practice any religion was formed based on this concept only where in the constitution provided laws to practise religon and gave separate muslim laws concerning marrige and property..

So the idea of state within a state would have never succeed.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

I am working with more then one thousand chines and i hav many friends and i heard from all of them the word hindu instead of india.

@ Divya

1:So why they call you hindu ? they also calls you hindu bcoz of religious conflict ?

2:So why they call you hindu ? they also calls you hindu bcoz of religious conflict ?

3:So why they call you hindu ? they also calls you hindu bcoz of religious conflict ?

Well some countries have their own way of calling the other countries with ancient names...Like Germany calls itself Deutchland, China is called Kitai in Russian and so on and so forth. You just go and ask a Russian about China he will say he dosent know. And India is is called as Indee in Russian and Inde is French.

The Greeks call Indians and Sindhis as Shindhus even now.

Why dont you try translating and checking it yourself. Google translator will be helpful.

 

[chinapakistan]

In Chinese,India is known as 印度(pronounced:Yindu) , probably derived from their ancient name for India, "Shendhu"

So they call Indians ,Yindu San.

However,its not from religious perspective as Pukhtoon seems to suggest.

No, you are wrong. We call india as 印度(pronounced:Yindu), the same as japanese, but it is not derived from india.
We call america indian 印第安(pronounced：Yindian), this is actually derived from english word indian.