Confirmed Pics of T-129 in different altitudes & climates in Pakistan

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

This chopper is must immediately in large numbers for Border control and anti Terror operations
Both Z-10 And T-129

• Makes sense to have 2 independent platforms , that are free to modify and adjust to national needs

 

[Wolfhound]

Z-10 is almost a done deal

Is there a chance of integrating turkish avionics and weaponry? Or are the chinese subsystems better?

 

[Dazzler]

Is there a chance of integrating turkish avionics and weaponry? Or are the chinese subsystems better?

why would you want turkish systems on a chinese platform? even in current form, the z-10p is a generation ahead of your AH-1s and even the upcoming MI-35s.

 

[ziya]

T129 atak have the cirit missile that best on 70mm guided missiles family in the word in term of range and accuracy on moving subjects,this missile also can be used together with L-umtas missile which is also use same guide as cirit

 

[Wolfhound]

why would you want turkish systems on a chinese platform? even in current form, the z-10p is a generation ahead of your AH-1s and even the upcoming MI-35s.

The Turkish have great E/O pods(e.g Cats,flir 300), Plus Cirit and Umtas missiles will give the Z-10 a great boost. The chinese dont have any missile in the same class as Cirit, while little is know about the HJ-10 and chinese E/O pods. And aren't our AH-1's almost obsolete , how can you compare them with a state of the art design?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Well i think PAA will buy Both T-129 and WZ-10

There was no point of Showing WZ-10 in 23rd March Parade this year if we aren't going to buy it....

 

[ziaulislam]

Well i think PAA will buy Both T-129 and WZ-10

There was no point of Showing WZ-10 in 23rd March Parade this year if we aren't going to buy it....

so odd that PA is buying so many plateforms, doesnt make any sense, well most of pak army acqusition didnt made sense in past as well

why does it want 4 different types of gunships
WZ-10, turkish, ZULUs and russians!
it should drop atleast one of the above 4

 

[Muhammad Omar]

so odd that PA is buying so many plateforms, doesnt make any sense, well most of pak army acqusition didnt made sense in past as well

why does it want 4 different types of gunships
WZ-10, turkish, ZULUs and russians!
it should drop atleast one of the above 4

Russian one will be for Special Forces and Anti Narcotics Force...
WZ-10 we can use them in Balochistan and FATA (and For Security of CPEC)
ZULU are the Advanced Machines will be used for eastern Border same with T-129

 

[Djinn]

so odd that PA is buying so many plateforms, doesnt make any sense, well most of pak army acqusition didnt made sense in past as well

why does it want 4 different types of gunships
WZ-10, turkish, ZULUs and russians!
it should drop atleast one of the above 4

Zulus should be dropped. No need to buy American equipment which comes with 1000 strings attached. Who knows a few years down the road and they wont even give us the spares or even refuse to upgrade, if the need ever arises. Whether high tech or not i don't understand why the Pakistan army hasn't cancelled the deal already. I rather take my chances with an AK-47 than to rely on "Advanced" American gunship.

 

[HAIDER]

1. This test could be done just to see the performence of the chopper in different climates.So it might be just for Tai's resource program.

2. If our **** friends are testing this chopper,they will most probably buy it,just waiting for the right time(money or funding)

3.Is T-129 superiour than others ? I think yes,If it gets its Milimetric radar as soon as possible.(if you have money,you just buy Apache,if you can't buy Apache,you buy Atak.)

4.It is and its all arnements are NATO product.

5.I think you can fit your weapons to T-129.Because its missin computer is Turkish.

6.We also have worries about US engines,we started our own engine program,so maybe "Super Atak" or the following chopper will most probably be with local engine.

7.Turkey has some resource programs and products and it doesn'T look like we will stop in short time.Our products are not the "stars" of the market but Price/Performance products.

8.Now Turkey is trying to make its own jet (at least 4,5 gen) and some foreign firms trying to take part in it (rolls royce,eurojet etc) but we are waiting for enough TOT.Our chopper,car(electric),derivated UAV engines,turbojet and turbofan engine developments on bench.

9.We should also think tomorrow.What China is offering tomorrow and what Turkey is offering tomorrow.And also what are the US relations with India.I think US is getting better and better with Indıa,so Pakistan should be too.If they choose a side(china) conflict will happen.USA doesn't want its two allies to fight with each other.

Theese are just my comments.

If T129 is built on NATO standards, then it will be hard to market the product. In such condition , Pakistan is the closest Turkish alley can absorbing both Western and Communist block technology in all armed forces.
Mega tag weapon market is tough for new seller. Pakistan getting hard time selling Thunder. Right now Socialist and Western block dominate the market, where they also provide soft loan for procurement. Plus long term contract with consistent part supplies and they have also proven record.
Building weapons is deficit financing , if there is no program to launch in the market to cover the cost of production.

 

[cabatli_53]

I have seen Ferrari of battle tanks (Desert Ferrari by DRDO) somewhere but here comes the ferrari of helis. thats just lol

Ask your sources about it, they will hopefully tell you something


Turks are quite desperate for a sale, trust me, remember this desperate episode?

http://pakmr.blogspot.com/2013/09/pakistani-pm-nawaz-sharif-signs-mou-for.html


The Z10 being a newer platform has much more room for upgrades and changes, the same cannot be said for A-129 Mangusta or its twin sibling the 129.

the latest iteration

of the Z-10, the K version wears a new camouflage and plenty of upgrades including attack system, avoinics, comm, EW , heavier armor, engines, FLCS including digital fly by wire, higher payload, and several features. even the current Z-10Ps have digital fly by wire and other goodies.



your pouppo loves you to the extent that she has been consistently improving the halwa, and adding sugar

None of those are not an answer or a proof to what you are claiming about Atak. As a member who ranked as think-tank in this forum, you should at least think about what you are talking before typing. If you are regularly talking about the claims that you can never prove, It is just called as Trolling which is not a good behavior for a think-tank forumer. It is possible that Z-10 can be way better than Atak by many factors. Pakistan can also sign a deal with China for a huge Z-10 deal but talking about assumptions and inaginations like Shaky or lessmaneouvrability like claims instead of facts supported by open proofs just reflect your way of prejudice thinking skills.

 

[Max Pain]

Z-10 is almost a done deal

Any idea how many will be on order?

 

[cabatli_53]

Well i think PAA will buy Both T-129 and WZ-10

There was no point of Showing WZ-10 in 23rd March Parade this year if we aren't going to buy it....

Purchasing two different attack helicopter is not logical and cost effective so I think Pakistan will order just one platform which meets own requirements.

 

[Max Pain]

so odd that PA is buying so many plateforms, doesnt make any sense, well most of pak army acqusition didnt made sense in past as well

why does it want 4 different types of gunships
WZ-10, turkish, ZULUs and russians!
it should drop atleast one of the above 4

Russian one shares lots of similarities with the MI family of choppers that Pakistan has been operating for quite a while,
Zulu afterall is a highly upgraded Cobra and we even have the infrastructure for it too.
Logistically the new options are z10 and Atak,
However we have had a history of operating Chinese Systems and I think intergration of Z 10 wont be that big of an issue.
Atak no matter how attractive will take time to sink in here. Nevertheless its a good option too.

Purchasing two different attack helicopter is not logical and cost effective so I think Pakistan will order just one platform which meets own requirements.

Its logical if the roles of the platforms differ.

 

[ziaulislam]

Russian one shares lots of similarities with the MI family of choppers that Pakistan has been operating for quite a while,
Zulu afterall is a highly upgraded Cobra and we even have the infrastructure for it too.
Logistically the new options are z10 and Atak,
However we have had a history of operating Chinese Systems and I think intergration of Z 10 wont be that big of an issue.
Atak no matter how attractive will take time to sink in here. Nevertheless its a good option too.


Its logical if the roles of the platforms differ.

this is like if PAF goes and buy f-15 saying we have f-16s, than buys j-10 saying we having Chinese experience, than go up buying rafale quoting french experience and end up buying mig 35 saying we operate f-7/mig 21.

at time like this when finances is an issue for PAF, PN , PA is going on shopping spree

if we are getting zulus than i even against argue buying any other platform let alone buying 3 different(z-10-turkish-mi35)
or govt should drop zulus and just stick to chinese or turkish option. this would save around 1-2 billion dollars