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Confirmed: Iran and Russia to Co-Produce Su-30 Fighter Jet

Indian ask us same question whenever there is news of us getting F-16 or talking about possible J-10 and they troll us about JF-17 and the "reality" of its capabilities.
most of us get defensive or apologetic.
now I don't want to talk for @Daneshmand but I guess its about fulfilling different roles and classes of aeroplanes.

I disregarded his comment and did not even bother to answer him since I know which category of emotions caused him to write that.

As for the plane he was referring to, the defense minister in his recent interview in which he talked about Su-30 acquisition was indeed asked the question and he replied that Qaher and other similar projects were concepts and ideas that Iran worked on to see how far it can go. Just technological concepts. It happens everywhere in countries that want to progress. There is no shame in that.

Iran needs to develop an aerospace industry. And bringing in Russians or Chinese would definitely speed up the process and help Iran in this regard. JF-17 is an example in which Pakistan acquired technologies from China which would have taken long time to develop by itself. MKI is the Indian example. Iran should also follow similar models, specially now that the opportunity has presented itself. Otherwise under sanctions, Iran had no other choice but to go alone completely.
 
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Confirmed: Iran and Russia to Co-Produce Su-30 Fighter Jet | The Diplomat

During a recent television interview, Iran’s Defense Minister, General Hossein Dehqhan, announced that Iran will sign a contract with Russia for the co-production of an undisclosed number of Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30 multirole fighter aircraft, Fars News Agency reports.

Should the deal go through, Iran will be the second country in the world after India to produce a variation of the Su-30 fighter jet locally. However, as of now, it still remains unclear in what capacity Tehran will be involved in the aircraft production process.

According to a source within Iran’s Defense Ministry interviewed by Sputnik News, a contract could be signed as early as February 16, when the Iranian defense minister will arrive in Moscow to discuss the deliveries of S-300 air defense systems and the Sukhoi Su-30 aircraft.

“Minister Dehgan is taking a number of the Defense Ministry’s representatives to the Russian capital to meet with their Russian colleagues and other highly-ranked officials,” the source notes.

“The last stages will be discussed of delivering Iran the S-300 complex, the first part of which should arrive before the end of next month, and the second by the end of June. Minister Dehqwan will also discuss the delivery of Su-30 airplanes because the Defense Ministry believes the Iranian Air Force needs this type of plane. We’ve moved far in these discussions of purchases and I think that during the upcoming visit a contract will be signed,” according to the source.

First rumors about a likely Iranian-Russian Su-30 deal emerged already in the summer of 2015 during the MAKS airshow, held near Moscow. “We are discussing the purchase of Sukhoi fighter planes,” Dehqhan told Iran’s Press TV back then.

However, Iran’s Vice-President for Science and Technology Affairs, Sorena Sattari, who was also present during the discussions, downplayed the talks at the time: “We spoke about it but we didn’t discuss purchasing them and talks were mostly focused on the technological issues.”

As I explained previously (See: “Will Iran License-Build Russia’s T-90S Main Battle Tank?”):

Under the so-called Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCOP), an international agreement on the nuclear program of Iran signed in July 2015, the UN arms embargo will be lifted 5 years after the JCOP adoption day. However, conventional weapons sales can be decided on a case-by-case basis meanwhile. “During the five years arms deliveries to Iran would be possible if they clear a notification and verification process in the UN Security Council,” according to Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov.

It is unclear what variant of the Sukhoi Su-30 Iran is interested in, nor how many aircraft it wants to procure and within what timeframe. During his recent television interview, General Hossein Dehqhan, also rejected the idea of procuring Chengdu J-10 lightweight multirole fighter aircraft from China.
such deals must be done yesterday and put into action
Iran needs to modernise its defence as soon as possible to avoid the fate of Iraq, Syria and Libya. all such countries were degraded militarily by the west and their arab allies and then destroyed, as long as you have credible defence (even conventional) everyone will avoid entertaining a thought of invasion.
your resilience, perseverance , ingenuity and dedication is proven beyond doubt. the way you went your 60-70 era American hardware airbourne must be complemented and hard to match elsewhere in the world. but now sanctions are over so its time to make up for the technological gap because its essential for survival and deterence

Congratulations to Iran ..
Stronger Iran is good for region and Pakistan .
I would love to see Su-30 of Iran training with our JF-17 ( block-3 ) ...
Amen to that. strong Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan will keep the daku's away.
 
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such deals must be done yesterday and put into action
Iran needs to modernise its defence as soon as possible to avoid the fate of Iraq, Syria and Libya. all such countries were degraded militarily by the west and their arab allies and then destroyed, as long as you have credible defence (even conventional) everyone will avoid entertaining a thought of invasion.
your resilience, perseverance , ingenuity and dedication is proven beyond doubt. the way you went your 60-70 era American hardware airbourne must be complemented and hard to match elsewhere in the world. but now sanctions are over so its time to make up for the technological gap because its essential for survival and deterence


Amen to that. strong Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan will keep the daku's away.

Our Indian members want us to be trained on the Su-30 by Indian pilots... and our Pakistani members want us to train our Su-30s against their JF-17s! :lol:

Maybe we can teach our Pakistani friends and Indian friends their respective training techniques :lol:

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such deals must be done yesterday and put into action
Iran needs to modernise its defence as soon as possible to avoid the fate of Iraq, Syria and Libya. all such countries were degraded militarily by the west and their arab allies and then destroyed, as long as you have credible defence (even conventional) everyone will avoid entertaining a thought of invasion.
your resilience, perseverance , ingenuity and dedication is proven beyond doubt. the way you went your 60-70 era American hardware airbourne must be complemented and hard to match elsewhere in the world. but now sanctions are over so its time to make up for the technological gap because its essential for survival and deterence

No doubt, these deals as you said, should be put into action yesterday. There is no excuse for wasting time.

But I do not believe these deals or for that matter any kind of hardware has sustained Iran through the ages. What has sustained Iran and prevented Iran to disappear into the annals of history just like many other nations in these past several thousand years, is because of unique cultural identity of Iranians. A complex identity that allows Iranians to remain coherent when faced with challenges.

I explained this strength of Iran with regard to the proxy war happening between US and Iran in middle east here: An 'ontology' of Iran-Saudi "rivalry": From Churchill's snobbish sneeze to Abdullah's fear of snakes

That, this cultural cohesion and identity allows Iran to be able to perform OODA cycles faster than its enemies and ill-wishers. There lies Iran's true strength. A nation that has become so lucid to its very self, that for outsiders it has become an enigma. This then has permitted Iran to stay floating against all odds outmaneuvering even the strongest super power in the world's history. Without any uber hardware or massive military built up of conventional or unconventional nature.

The strength of nations lie in their belief in themselves and not in any hardware, sir. This is the most critical point.

Our Indian members want us to be trained on the Su-30 by Indian pilots... and our Pakistani members want us to train our Su-30s against their JF-17s! :lol:

Maybe we can teach our Pakistani friends and Indian friends their respective training techniques :lol:

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(I joke) :smitten:

More cooperation the better. Let's arrange for a Iranian version of Red Flag Exercise in Iran and invite them all in. Let's see who wins then. :o:
 
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And regarding the Iran-India relations, one thing must be kept in mind is that we all should accept the other side as it is. I have not seen a single Iranian member who comes in and starts to meddle in relation of India and Israel and imply Iran's relation with India is somehow to counter Israel. This is the level of maturity. The same should be displayed by Indians, since lately I am seeing some Indians are implying that India's relation with Iran is somehow a zero sum game with regard to Pakistan.

Iran's no one's proxy. Iran is an independent country acting rationally on its own national interests. Implying anything otherwise is an immature behavior. Just like Iranians do not bring in America and Israel to Iran-India relations, the same is expected from Indians with regard to Pakistan. Cheers!

Are you referring to me in this part?

India follows a policy of de-hyphenation with respect to international relations. When it comes to the Middle East, India has a policy of non-interference. We officially support the creation of Palestine. But we also have very good defence relations with Israel and good economic relations with Iran, although that has reduced due to the sanctions, and with the Saudis, Emirates etc.

I think you should avoid putting words in people's mouths. I was merely talking about business potential in the military and economic spheres between the two countries. Nothing to do with Pakistan and proxies and whatnot.

AMCA can actually be a contender for replacing Israeli F-15s. At the same time, Iran can be a potential client for Indian corvettes and frigates. So the interests are purely business in nature. Not to mention we have huge interest in Iranian oil and gas. And for cheap resources, we prefer a stable and peaceful Middle East.
 
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Are you referring to me in this part?

India follows a policy of de-hyphenation with respect to international relations. When it comes to the Middle East, India has a policy of non-interference. We officially support the creation of Palestine. But we also have very good defence relations with Israel and good economic relations with Iran, although that has reduced due to the sanctions, and with the Saudis, Emirates etc.

I think you should avoid putting words in people's mouths. I was merely talking about business potential in the military and economic spheres between the two countries. Nothing to do with Pakistan and proxies and whatnot.

AMCA can actually be a contender for replacing Israeli F-15s. At the same time, Iran can be a potential client for Indian corvettes and frigates. So the interests are purely business in nature. Not to mention we have huge interest in Iranian oil and gas. And for cheap resources, we prefer a stable and peaceful Middle East.

No. I am just referring in general to all members here on PDF. And I do not have any issue with how Indian state conducts itself, as I said Indian state acts on its own interests as other states including Iran do as well. What I said was the attitude of the public and specifically the members here. Have you seen any Iranian member here ever having tried to imply using Iran's relation with India as a counter to Israel?

The same Iranian members expect from Indians here with regard to Pakistan whenever there is any talk about Iran-India relations. This is not a zero sum game.

Respect begets respect!
 
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AMCA can actually be a contender for replacing Israeli F-15s. At the same time, Iran can be a potential client for Indian corvettes and frigates. So the interests are purely business in nature. Not to mention we have huge interest in Iranian oil and gas. And for cheap resources, we prefer a stable and peaceful Middle East.

Sorry but none of these will happen. The Israelis are tied to American gear, especially with their $3 billion a year military aid.

And Iran is already making its own corvettes/frigates, subs, and has a project for a destroyer.
 
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@Irfan Baloch

Also to complement my reply to you above, I just remembered something about the critical role of belief in self which might be interesting for you. It is the same concept that forms the foundation of philosophy of Dr Iqbal Lahori. He called it "Khodi".

It is this "Khodi" that makes and breaks nations.
 
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Quite the contrary, I believe our industry would benefit less by going for the Su-35, simply because the Russians would probably flat out refuse domestic production. Remember that this is Russia's best operational fighter jet. Maybe some small non manufacture purchase but I doubt Iran would go through with that because of cost.

The Su-35 production will end in Russia sooner than you think. They may at best order another tranche of 40-50 Su-35s and end production if there are no export orders. They have already ordered 98.

And the Su-35 is cheap. It used to be less than $45M according to the old exchange rate. Today it is somewhere around $16M per jet for their air force. You may not be aware of this but the ruble has fallen 250%. What was supposed to be a $2B deal in 2014 is now a $788M deal.

Iran can buy 200 jets immediately for about $25-30M per jet flyaway. With the ToT and production line, you can get the entire thing very cheap, probably 2-3B more.

In fact, since the PAK FA will be in production by the time a line starts producing in Iran, the Russians will be more than happy to give much more ToT than India got for the MKI.

By the way, I doubt Iran would go for the Su-30MKI. It has Israeli and French electronics in it, which is a security concern (for us). Most likely it will be the Russian version of the MKI, the SM, and to a lesser chance it may be an MKIR. But not an MKI.

Of course. The MKI is an India-specific version and only Malaysia has a somewhat similar aircraft. Algeria has a different version and so do the Russians.

Only the MKI can fire Indian/Israeli/American/Russian weapons. Pretty soon a European weapon will be added to it. This is India-specific. All other versions don't have the same integration software. Plus, the MKI's software has been modified many times in India. Even the airframe has been modified, an additional hardpoint has been added.

When I say MKI, I refer to the basic configuration of the MKI airframe that India builds. The final configuration and specification will be Iran-specific, so the designation will be different.

No. I am just referring in general to all members here on PDF. And I do not have any issue with how Indian state conducts itself, as I said Indian state acts on its own interests as other states including Iran do as well. What I said was the attitude of the public and specifically the members here. Have you seen any Iranian member here ever having tried to imply using Iran's relation with India as a counter to Israel?

The same Iranian members expect from Indians here with regard to Pakistan whenever there is any talk about Iran-India relations. This is not a zero sum game.

Respect begets respect!

Look at my join date, it says Sunday. Please don't lump me in with everyone else. I don't know anything about PDF or its members. I don't like generalized comments and sweeping statements. All you are doing is trying to put words in my mouth.
 
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The Su-35 production will end in Russia sooner than you think. They may at best order another tranche of 40-50 Su-35s and end production if there are no export orders. They have already ordered 98.

And the Su-35 is cheap. It used to be less than $45M according to the old exchange rate. Today it is somewhere around $16M per jet for their air force. You may not be aware of this but the ruble has fallen 250%. What was supposed to be a $2B deal in 2014 is now a $788M deal.

I asked a Russian PDF member just a couple of days ago the price of an Su-35 and he said it was around $80 million!
 
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Sorry but none of these will happen. The Israelis are tied to American gear, especially with their $3 billion a year military aid.

And Iran is already making its own corvettes/frigates, subs, and has a project for a destroyer.

You will be surprised to see how much technology a country would buy once the venue has been opened up, especially from countries that have geopolitical influence. I'm actually pretty confident that an AMCA deal will happen with Israel after 2030, but let's leave that for some other day.

India specializes in tropicalizing Russian equipment and Iran has been a beneficiary. Back in the 90s we supplied batteries for Iran's Kilo class subs.
 
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You will be surprised to see how much technology a country would buy once the venue has been opened up, especially from countries that have geopolitical influence. I'm actually pretty confident that an AMCA deal will happen with Israel after 2030, but let's leave that for some other day.

India specializes in tropicalizing Russian equipment and Iran has been a beneficiary. Back in the 90s we supplied batteries for Iran's Kilo class subs.

The issue with the Israelis buying American gear isn't really the capability, its pure politics... in return for political cover and the $3 billion annual military aid, the Israelis almost exclusively buy American weapons or develop themselves with American help. The Israelis are ordering a couple dozen F-35s and even though they are crap as aircraft they have super duper stealth which means they put aside trivial things like: speed, maneuverability, payload... who needs that stuff anyway?

So yeah just the F-35 purchase shows you they don't look out for the absolute best equipment they are just after very good (F-15) hardware or gimmicks like the F-35. If they cared much about capability they wouldn't touch the F-35.
 
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I asked a Russian PDF member just a couple of days ago the price of an Su-35 and he said it was around $80 million!

It depends on what you are adding to it. The RuAF signed a deal for 50 Su-35s for $788M. So this Russian member is wrong if he is talking about unit flyaway costs. If you add bases, training, simulators, spares and weapons, then $80M is extremely cheap. But I think he was referring to the Chinese deal, and we don't know the components in the deal. But that deal was signed when ruble was much stronger. The value of the deal must be lower now.

For the RuAF, the Su-35's flyaway price is $15M. It was $40-45M when the first contract was signed half a decade ago. I believe the Su-30SM was $37.5M during the same time.

If you want a Sukhoi deal with Russia today, it will be extremely cheap. And the Su-35S is the best bet. The MKI versions are simply obsolete. By the time deliveries begin after 2020, the MKIs will be beyond obsolete, at least by IAF's standards. The only thing good on it is the PESA.

The issue with the Israelis buying American gear isn't really the capability, its pure politics... in return for political cover and the $3 billion annual military aid, the Israelis almost exclusively buy American weapons or develop themselves with American help. The Israelis are ordering a couple dozen F-35s and even though they are crap as aircraft they have super duper stealth which means they put aside trivial things like: speed, maneuverability, payload... who needs that stuff anyway?

So yeah just the F-35 purchase shows you they don't look out for the absolute best equipment they are just after very good (F-15) hardware or gimmicks like the F-35. If they cared much about capability they wouldn't touch the F-35.

I don't want to go completely off topic, but I think I will give my 2 cents.

The F-35 is a good aircraft, at least when it is finished and FOC has been achieved. The Israelis plan on replacing only their F-16s with the F-35s as of now. They plan on MLUing their F-15s and use it until 2035. So they are yet to decide on the type of aircraft that will replace the F-15s. They may either go for a modernized F-35 or another jet. That other jet could be the AMCA because it offers all that you mentioned.

Nobody else will have a competing jet. The British-French plan on developing a strike aircraft called FCAS. The US F-X and F/A-XX may not be available for export. In case the F/A-XX is available for export, it is possible the jet may be more of a ground strike/multirole aircraft rather than an air superiority aircraft like the AMCA.

A major drawback the F-35 has is the aircraft is connected to ALIS. This presents problems for countries that want an independent air force. And it is possible the future F/A-XX may come with the same strings attached. So AMCA becomes the obvious choice.
 
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i'm happy for iran, for the past 20+ years there army has been a joke, the only induction they made in these 20+ years is what iraq surrendered to them in 1991 out of fear of getting annhilated. good job to them, hopefully they can get rid of the F-14s now.
 
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Dear Iranian cousins this post is deeply insulting, as he actually thinks you gullible to fall for his bigoted nonsense. Non one can speak for your apart from yourselves.
As for the poster, your obsession needs treatment.
do as you please bro Racism against everyone should be condemned
Incorrect assessment.

Sir, Racism implies any kind of hatred based on race. I have nothing against Arabs. We have limited interactions with them. And the majority of Pakistanis(over 50%) are of my own race(though of different ethnicity).

So try not to bandy about words that bear no semblance to my post.

But we do exclusively train our pilots to fly and fight against specific aircraft's fielded by 'certain countries'. That is useful any day of the week. :)
 
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