Comparing India and Pakistan 2010

[ironman]

^^^ Request you to read the above report.

 

[RiazHaq]

What a silly question? Pakistan IS becoming bigger, better, powerful and stronger than India on all fronts.

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Now you know what is? Denial, ignorance, arrogance.

Not bigger, but Pakistan is already better on real basics like food, clothing, shelter, sanitation than India.

1. Food:

Food is the most basic necessity of all. In terms of being better fed, Pakistanis consume significantly more dairy products, sugar, wheat, meat, eggs and poultry on a per capita basis than Indians, according to FAO data. Average Pakistani gets about 50% of daily calories from non-food-grain sources versus 33% for average Indians.

There is widespread hunger and malnutrition in all parts of India. India ranks 66th on the 2008 Global Hunger Index of 88 countries while Pakistan is slightly better at 61 and Bangladesh slightly worse at 70. The first India State Hunger Index (Ishi) report in 2008 found that Madhya Pradesh had the most severe level of hunger in India, comparable to Chad and Ethiopia. Four states — Punjab, Kerala, Haryana and Assam — fell in the 'serious' category. "Affluent" Gujarat, 13th on the Indian list is below Haiti, ranked 69. The authors said India's poor performance was primarily due to its relatively high levels of child malnutrition and under-nourishment resulting from calorie deficient diets.

Last year, Indian Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed acknowledged that India is worse than Bangladesh and Pakistan when it comes to nourishment and is showing little improvement.

Speaking at a conference on "Malnutrition an emergency: what it costs the nation", she said even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during interactions with the Planning Commission has described malnourishment as the "blackest mark".

"I should not compare. But countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka are better," she said. The conference was organized last year by the Confederation of Indian Industry and the Ministry of Development of Northeastern Region.

According to India's Family Health Survey, almost 46 percent of children under the age of three are undernourished - an improvement of just one percent in the last seven years. This is only a shade better than Sub-Saharan Africa where about 35 percent of children are malnourished.

India has recently been described as a "nutritional weakling" by a British report.

2. Clothing:

According to Werner International, Pakistan's per capita consumption of textile fibers is about 4 Kg versus 2.8 Kg for India. Global average is 6.8 Kg and the industrialized countries' average consumption is 17 Kg per person per per year.

3. Shelter:

There is widespread homelessness in India, with a population 7 times larger than Pakistan's, with the urgent need for 72 million housing units. Pakistan, too, has a housing crisis and needs about 7 million additional housing units, according to the data presented at the World Bank Regional Conference on Housing last year.

4. Sanitation:

India might be an emerging economic power, but it is way behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan in providing basic sanitation facilities, a key reason behind the death of 2.1 million children under five in the country.

Lizette Burgers, chief of water and environment sanitation of the Unicef, recently said India is making progress in providing sanitation but it lags behind most of the other countries in South Asia. A former Indian minister Mr Raghuvansh Prasad Singh told the BBC that more than 65% of India's rural population defecated in the open, along roadsides, railway tracks and fields, generating huge amounts of excrement every day.

As an example, let's compare India's largest slum Dharavi with Pakistan's Orangi Town. The fact is that Orangi is nothing like Dharavi in terms of the quality of its housing or the services available to its residents. While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Haq's Musings: Food, Clothing and Shelter in India and Pakistan

 

[Chiru]

No too long ago, Beijing's Tienanmen Square was the scene of the Chinese government crackdown by the units of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) against mass students protests in 1989. Since the death of Chairman Mao and passing of the leadership to late Deng Xiaoping in 1980s, the Chinese communist party has pursued liberalizing the nation's economy without political liberalization, in the same way other East Asians did earlier. Such a strategy has allowed them to pursue rapid industrialization with accelerated economic growth over the last two decades, while forcefully controlling the chaos on the streets, to lift a record number people out of poverty. China's large neighbor India has failed to use a period of high economic growth to lift tens of millions of people out of poverty, falling far short of China’s record in protecting its population from the ravages of chronic hunger, United Nations officials said recently. Last year, British Development Minister Alexander contrasted the rapid growth in China with India's economic success - highlighting government figures that showed the number of poor people had dropped in the one-party communist state by 70% since 1990 but had risen in the world's biggest democracy by 5%.

Haq's Musings: Right to Food in India, Pakistan and China

Unicef, the UN's child development agency, said India, Asia's third largest economy, had not followed the example of other regional economies such as China, South Korea and Singapore in investing in its people during an economic boom. It said this failure spelled trouble as the global economy deteriorated, while volatile fuel and food prices had already deepened deprivation over the past two years.

Unicef attacks India's record on poverty: Rediff.com India News

BBC NEWS | Business | Pakistan's poor hit as food prices soar

Twilight in Karachi, and outside some of the main restaurants in Pakistan's economic and financial capital you will find the city's poor waiting.


BBC NEWS | South Asia | Price of Pakistan's economic woes

Sughra Jamal, a 45-year-old Koran teacher in Pakistan's southern city of Karachi, is caught between the country's twin problems of inflation and unemployment.


We should thank god that we have food. We should not make others misery as our pleasure. If you are born rich you have no right to speak about poor.

Migrating to USA and forgetting our past is not human.

 

[PakSher]

I work with Indians and the food prices are rising too in India with rapid inflation. Lets talk after 3 years when the food prices have gone up 500%.

 

[LCA Tejas]

I work with Indians and the food prices are rising too in India with rapid inflation. Lets talk after 3 years when the food prices have gone up 500%.

i dont think Our govt will simply wait till that happens... atleast not manmohan singh, he will find a way soon, yes...

 

[desiman]

The moment I saw the writer of the main article, the credibility of this whole thread went out of the window. Nothing Riaz Haq writes is true and his aim is nothing but to hurt Indian emotions. I am born in India and have been to Pakistan myself also and Pakistan is very beautiful and prosperous. But if anyone thinks that Pakistan is better than India, then you are just a frog living in a well. Stop this childish comparison and work hard towards the betterment of both countries. Individuals seeking a bit of satisfaction for their ever-shrinking ego only do such comparisons. One recommendation to the young minds here, do not join his club and ruin your thought process, there are much better people here to idolize such as some of the mods.

 

[s6demon]

Country with most AIDS cases

1.) INDIA

Country where half or more people do not have toilets

1.) INDIA

and not to mention the largest amount of poverty in the world. Larger than the entire continent of Africa and all I ever hear is blah blah blah drivel and people living in dreams.

 

[LCA Tejas]

and not to mention the largest amount of poverty in the world. Larger than the entire continent of Africa and all I ever hear is blah blah blah drivel and people living in dreams.

Oh really? And still we have Top quality education,Universities, and still we have the 2nd fastest growing economy,A hub for small Car industry, the IT,Have quality space research organization ISRO......

But pakistan is rich It has nothing of these..

 

[Chiru]

Not bigger, but Pakistan is already better on real basics like food, clothing, shelter, sanitation than India.

1. Food:

Food is the most basic necessity of all. In terms of being better fed, Pakistanis consume significantly more dairy products, sugar, wheat, meat, eggs and poultry on a per capita basis than Indians, according to FAO data. Average Pakistani gets about 50% of daily calories from non-food-grain sources versus 33% for average Indians.

There is widespread hunger and malnutrition in all parts of India. India ranks 66th on the 2008 Global Hunger Index of 88 countries while Pakistan is slightly better at 61 and Bangladesh slightly worse at 70. The first India State Hunger Index (Ishi) report in 2008 found that Madhya Pradesh had the most severe level of hunger in India, comparable to Chad and Ethiopia. Four states — Punjab, Kerala, Haryana and Assam — fell in the 'serious' category. "Affluent" Gujarat, 13th on the Indian list is below Haiti, ranked 69. The authors said India's poor performance was primarily due to its relatively high levels of child malnutrition and under-nourishment resulting from calorie deficient diets.

Last year, Indian Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed acknowledged that India is worse than Bangladesh and Pakistan when it comes to nourishment and is showing little improvement.

Speaking at a conference on "Malnutrition an emergency: what it costs the nation", she said even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during interactions with the Planning Commission has described malnourishment as the "blackest mark".

"I should not compare. But countries like Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka are better," she said. The conference was organized last year by the Confederation of Indian Industry and the Ministry of Development of Northeastern Region.

According to India's Family Health Survey, almost 46 percent of children under the age of three are undernourished - an improvement of just one percent in the last seven years. This is only a shade better than Sub-Saharan Africa where about 35 percent of children are malnourished.

India has recently been described as a "nutritional weakling" by a British report.

2. Clothing:

According to Werner International, Pakistan's per capita consumption of textile fibers is about 4 Kg versus 2.8 Kg for India. Global average is 6.8 Kg and the industrialized countries' average consumption is 17 Kg per person per per year.

3. Shelter:

There is widespread homelessness in India, with a population 7 times larger than Pakistan's, with the urgent need for 72 million housing units. Pakistan, too, has a housing crisis and needs about 7 million additional housing units, according to the data presented at the World Bank Regional Conference on Housing last year.

4. Sanitation:

India might be an emerging economic power, but it is way behind Pakistan, Bangladesh and even Afghanistan in providing basic sanitation facilities, a key reason behind the death of 2.1 million children under five in the country.

Lizette Burgers, chief of water and environment sanitation of the Unicef, recently said India is making progress in providing sanitation but it lags behind most of the other countries in South Asia. A former Indian minister Mr Raghuvansh Prasad Singh told the BBC that more than 65% of India's rural population defecated in the open, along roadsides, railway tracks and fields, generating huge amounts of excrement every day.

As an example, let's compare India's largest slum Dharavi with Pakistan's Orangi Town. The fact is that Orangi is nothing like Dharavi in terms of the quality of its housing or the services available to its residents. While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Haq's Musings: Food, Clothing and Shelter in India and Pakistan

Simple question to you.

Why pakistan is in top ten failed state?

Failed state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

India is nowhere near to the list.

How can you explain it. Now don't runaway from answering this question like a looser.

 

[LCA Tejas]

Simple question to you.

Why pakistan is in top ten failed state?

Failed state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

India is nowhere near to the list.

How can you explain it. Now don't runaway from answering this question like a looser.

Buddy, wiki is not a reliable source, they love BBC....

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan 'is a top failed state'

 

[Chiru]

Buddy, wiki is not a reliable source, they love BBC....

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan 'is a top failed state'

Great find buddy.

I would provide answer if asked to me. Otherwise I would feel it is big slap on my face. I would stop writing blogs and find a daytime job.

 

[HAIDER]

Food shortage in India is imminent. That's why day by day Pakistan is losing water. Wonder why India is building dams in Kashmir and even not ready to compromise the indus water treaty. Indian Punjab, the bread basket of India need water to feed whole India.

 

[Chiru]

Food shortage in India is imminent. That's why day by day Pakistan is losing water. Wonder why India is building dams in Kashmir and even not ready to compromise the indus water treaty. Indian Punjab, the bread basket of India need water to feed whole India.

I don't want to derail the thread. Here is response from senior member from pakistan regarding water use

WOT is declining our GDP , US aid for WOT utilized for arms and miltery operations.

Saturation is Agriculture growth is due decrease in subcidies and decrease in use of fertilizer and water resourses .

We need to give farmer the good price of their output and construction of large dams.

We are wasting 35 MAF water yearly , which can be utilized for agriculture growth , we have million of acres virgin agriculture land in Cholistan and Thar.

 

[RiazHaq]

I don't want to derail the thread. Here is response from senior member from pakistan regarding water use

WOT is declining our GDP , US aid for WOT utilized for arms and miltery operations.

Saturation is Agriculture growth is due decrease in subcidies and decrease in use of fertilizer and water resourses .

We need to give farmer the good price of their output and construction of large dams.

We are wasting 35 MAF water yearly , which can be utilized for agriculture growth , we have million of acres virgin agriculture land in Cholistan and Thar.

Water is a huge problem for both nations.

According to the United Nations' World Water Development Report, the total actual renewable water resources in Pakistan decreased from 2,961 cubic meters per capita in 2000 to 1,420 cubic meters in 2005. A more recent study indicates an available supply of water of little more than 1,000 cubic meters per person, which puts Pakistan in the category of a high stress country. Using data from the Pakistan's federal government's Planning and Development Division, the overall water availability has decreased from 1,299 cubic meters per capita in 1996-97 to 1,101 cubic meters in 2004-05. In view of growing population, urbanization and increased industrialization, the situation is likely to get worse. If the current trends continue, it could go as lows as 550-cubic meters by 2025. Nevertheless, excessive mining of groundwater goes on. Despite a lowering water table, the annual growth rate of electric tubewells has been indicated to 6.7% and for diesel tubewells to about 7.4%. In addition, increasing pollution and saltwater intrusion threaten the country's water resources. About 36% of the groundwater is classified as highly saline.

Among the 25 most populous countries in 2009, South Africa, Egypt and Pakistan are the most water-limited nations. India and China, however, are not far behind with per capita renewable water resources of only 1600 and 2100 cubic meters per person per year. Major European countries have up to twice as much renewable water resources per capita, ranging from 2300 (Germany) to 3000 (France) cubic meters per person per year. The United States of America, on the other hand, has far greater renewable water resources than China, India or major European countries: 9800 cubic meters per person per year. By far the largest renewable water resources are reported from Brazil and the Russian Federation - with 31900 and 42500 cubic meters per person per year.

Haq's Musings: World Water Day: Water Scarce Pakistan?

 

[Chiru]

Water is a huge problem for both nations.

According to the United Nations' World Water Development Report, the total actual renewable water resources in Pakistan decreased from 2,961 cubic meters per capita in 2000 to 1,420 cubic meters in 2005. A more recent study indicates an available supply of water of little more than 1,000 cubic meters per person, which puts Pakistan in the category of a high stress country. Using data from the Pakistan's federal government's Planning and Development Division, the overall water availability has decreased from 1,299 cubic meters per capita in 1996-97 to 1,101 cubic meters in 2004-05. In view of growing population, urbanization and increased industrialization, the situation is likely to get worse. If the current trends continue, it could go as lows as 550-cubic meters by 2025. Nevertheless, excessive mining of groundwater goes on. Despite a lowering water table, the annual growth rate of electric tubewells has been indicated to 6.7% and for diesel tubewells to about 7.4%. In addition, increasing pollution and saltwater intrusion threaten the country's water resources. About 36% of the groundwater is classified as highly saline.

Among the 25 most populous countries in 2009, South Africa, Egypt and Pakistan are the most water-limited nations. India and China, however, are not far behind with per capita renewable water resources of only 1600 and 2100 cubic meters per person per year. Major European countries have up to twice as much renewable water resources per capita, ranging from 2300 (Germany) to 3000 (France) cubic meters per person per year. The United States of America, on the other hand, has far greater renewable water resources than China, India or major European countries: 9800 cubic meters per person per year. By far the largest renewable water resources are reported from Brazil and the Russian Federation - with 31900 and 42500 cubic meters per person per year.

Haq's Musings: World Water Day: Water Scarce Pakistan?

Do you want me read your crap blog to understand water problem in India and Pakistan?

For gods sake don't compare pakistan with India.

Pakistan is in top 10 failed state.

Here is link

Rediff.com: Will Pakistan's break-up bode well for India?

Tristan James Mabry, a professor in the government department at Georgetown University in Washington, DC, believes that Pakistan is a failed State.

I saw some of your posts with rediff news link.