Comparing India and Pakistan 2010

[RiazHaq]

@RaizHaq
Pakistan not only gets aid from US but also from SA friends of Pakistan and China.
Also countries GDP is good indication of per capita Income. As all incomes are taxed by GOP.

As all incomes are taxed by GOP? You must be kidding. Pakistan collects only 11% (vs 17% in India) of the known GDP in tax revenues. Only about 3 million people pay taxes. Studies have shown that the informal economy in Pakistan is t least as big as the formal economy.

Haq's Musings: Comparing US and Pakistani Tax Evasion

And all the foreign aid, which is mostly loans, is no more than a drop in the bucket relative to the GDP.

 

[RobbieS]

As all incomes are taxed by GOP? You must be kidding. Pakistan collects only 11% (vs 17% in India) of the known GDP in tax revenues. Only about 3 million people pay taxes. Studies have shown that the informal economy in Pakistan is t least as big as the formal economy.

Haq's Musings: Comparing US and Pakistani Tax Evasion

And all the foreign aid, which is mostly loans, is no more than a drop in the bucket relative to the GDP.

Riaz dude, you probably want to show the world that Pakistan is not as bad as people outside think it to be. You want to show to the people the things that are overlooked amidst the news of bombings and drone attacks. About the growth potential and the bubbling economy. That's all fine and deserves to be done.

But downplaying what India has achieved or throwing dirt on the country's people is no way to do it. We all know India has problems. And quoting articled wont help solve any purpose. In fact by quoting western media reports and blogs you are committing the same mistake as the one you want people to avoid about Pakistan. That of relying too much on the media.

May Pakistan develop and achieve its full potential and so should India

 

[RiazHaq]

Riaz dude, you probably want to show the world that Pakistan is not as bad as people outside think it to be. You want to show to the people the things that are overlooked amidst the news of bombings and drone attacks. About the growth potential and the bubbling economy. That's all fine and deserves to be done.

But downplaying what India has achieved or throwing dirt on the country's people is no way to do it. We all know India has problems. And quoting articled wont help solve any purpose. In fact by quoting western media reports and blogs you are committing the same mistake as the one you want people to avoid about Pakistan. That of relying too much on the media.

May Pakistan develop and achieve its full potential and so should India

Let me just share a couple of quotes with you and other hyperpatriotic Indians to make my point:

1. "And I've seen 50 other countries on this planet and none, not even Ethiopia, have as long and gargantuan a laundry list of problems as India does. And the bottom line is, I don't think India really cares. Too complacent and too conservative." by Sean Paul Kelly

2. A foreign journalist working for a newsmagazine's South Asian bureau says he loves Pakistan because "In India, when you write a critical article, the people are furious with you. In Pakistan, when you write a critical article, everyone agrees with you." by Irfan Hussain, a Dawn columnist

 

[Asim Mehmood]

very well scripted report. A true picture for our deteriorating situation.

 

[Hulk]

As all incomes are taxed by GOP? You must be kidding. Pakistan collects only 11% (vs 17% in India) of the known GDP in tax revenues. Only about 3 million people pay taxes. Studies have shown that the informal economy in Pakistan is t least as big as the formal economy.

Haq's Musings: Comparing US and Pakistani Tax Evasion

And all the foreign aid, which is mostly loans, is no more than a drop in the bucket relative to the GDP.

Their is something not right. How can it be possible that the citizens are rich, they pay tax and the tax collector is poor.

I do not know how these calculations are done, do they take pre tax earnings or post tax earnings. If post tax earnings are taken lower taxes will mean more per capita for countrymen.

 

[haawk]

As I said on other post, it is unfair to compaire pakistan with india now, because they are fighting with Taliban for all the world. And pakistan's soldiers are bleeding, pakistan's common people and economy is suffering terrorist for the world. And as a human-being, we should feel shame on our country to let pakistan suffer from these and very very appreciated for what pakistan is doing. And the aid they got is so little compairing which they lost during fighting with terrorist for the world.

buddy i kind of agree with you regarding the comparison thing.....but to point out its the pakistani's who started the comparison thread(see the first thread)......

going on to pakistan fighiting terrorism for the world...i agree that they are fighiting but again they are responsible for creation of the terrorists....the mess is what they created (perhaps with american ideas to defeat the russians )and it is their duty to clear it up(america has also plunged in to clean it up) ......so there is nothing for others to feel ashamed off....

 

[Iggy]

Haq yaar most of the links you give us is of your blog ..how can it be credible?It only shows your opinion about it..try to find neutral sources yaar...

 

[kumar_V1.0]

Its good that Pakistan is getting such good roads. Every country needs such roads. But what you failed to mention is the reason for the road being so spotless. Am quoting a part that you ignored.

"A relatively expensive toll means it is a motorway for the privileged. Poorer Pakistanis use the older trunk road nearby tracing an ancient route that once ran thousands of miles to eastern India. The road is shorter, busier and takes nearly an hour longer."

An ordinary citizen should consider that an insult. Such a road should be used and the rulers should ensure that by keeping reasonable toll charges.

I have seen similar roads in India too and people of modest means, try to avoid them where possible, particularly if the toll charges are high. That is a disgrace.

Welcome to the forum. Good first post.
Enjoy ur stay .

 

[rohit.tiwari]

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Dr Farrukh Saleem

HERE'S what is happening in India: The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese. [current rating shows the elder brother Mukesh’s total wealth is 22 billion US dollars]
In November, Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani's Reliance Industries became a $100 bill ion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.

In November, comes Neeta's birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday gift:

A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani's wife, and Mukesh is not India 's richest but the second richest.
Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean ). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh's new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance.. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there's a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family's guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home. In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 25 countries.

In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi.

Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.

For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham.

Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard's E-speak project. Four out often Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.

For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore.India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire).

The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani's father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion). Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124).

We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don't?

INDIANS ELECT THEIR LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And also to mention: They think of Construction of own nation, unlike other nations who are just concerned with destruction of others...

Simple answer to why the Indians fare better than the Pakistanis - They don't focus on religion all the time and neither do they spend time and money in devising ways to kill their own and everyone else over religion.

[A friend who e- mailed these comments found these interesting. We are reproducing to start a debate without necessary agreeing with the writer. Over 70 per cent of the Indians do not have toilets, forty per cent no drinking water and the same number survives on Rs 50 a day. Look at this side also]


South Asia Post

 

[chinapakistan]

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Dr Farrukh Saleem

HERE'S what is happening in India: The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese. [current rating shows the elder brother Mukesh’s total wealth is 22 billion US dollars]

What is your point? Richest people in india are richer than richest people in china? Do you know that, richest chinese in china are richer than richest japanese in japan, but no one of us feel it is a good thing to be proud, it is ashamed to us. I think you know why we feel ashamed.

 

[jha]

^^^ anywhere in the article you found china mentioned.except that single line.? whole article is about the differences in INDIA and PAKISTAN irrespective of the similarities...

is it so necessary to hijack each thread ..?

 

[chinapakistan]

^^^ anywhere in the article you found china mentioned.except that single line.? whole article is about the differences in INDIA and PAKISTAN irrespective of the similarities...

is it so necessary to hijack each thread ..?

My point is the article about feeling proud of richest in a developing country is wrong. Nothing esle, I dont know why you feel that it is a hijacking.

 

[Windjammer]

Like other countries around the world, we too have our Gates, Ambanis and Sheikhs, but what counts is the ground realities, the common man, the ones who have to sleep on foot paths , sell their wives to the land lords, part with their organs or worse having to end up drinking anti pesticides. This is what portrays a country not an individual's Billions.
Indeed of all our tall order, if i am to be proud of it would be some one who benefits the destitute and the vulnerable, like this man. !!!!


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[RiazHaq]

Capital suggestion

Dr Farrukh Saleem

HERE'S what is happening in India: The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese. [current rating shows the elder brother Mukesh’s total wealth is 22 billion US dollars]


South Asia Post

The media's headlines about the newly-minted Indian billionaires need to bring sharper focus on the growing rich-poor gap in India. On its inside pages, The Times of India last year reported Communist Party leader Sitaram Yechury's as saying that "on the one hand, 36 Indian billionaires constituted 25% of India’s GDP while on the other, 70% of Indians had to do with Rs 20 a day". "A farmer commits suicide every 30 minutes. The gap between the two Indias is widening," he said.

Haq's Musings: Grinding Poverty in Resurgent India

Haq's Musings: Right to Food in India, Pakistan and China

 

[Speaker]

The media's headlines about the newly-minted Indian billionaires need to bring sharper focus on the growing rich-poor gap in India. On its inside pages, The Times of India last year reported Communist Party leader Sitaram Yechury's as saying that "on the one hand, 36 Indian billionaires constituted 25% of India’s GDP while on the other, 70% of Indians had to do with Rs 20 a day". "A farmer commits suicide every 30 minutes. The gap between the two Indias is widening," he said.

Haq's Musings: Grinding Poverty in Resurgent India

Haq's Musings: Right to Food in India, Pakistan and China

Well, quoting a CPI leader is never indicative. If left to them, they'd want to take India back to the stone age and the barter system. Anyway, I checked a few websites and it seems to me that the income disparity in India and Pakistan are comparable, and slightly less than that in US or China. Now the US is a capitalist country battling a recession so this is not surprising. But communist China has seen an increase in income disparity in the last 10 years (in 2000, it was below that of India). Although China has embraced capitalism in its economics, socially it is still a country with 'egalitarian' views. How it 'allowed' this to happen is interesting.

Coming back to the argument, if the disparity is comparable and India's rich are far richer, that doesn't seem to cast it negatively compared to Pakistan, does it? Of course, I have my reservations with these statistics and concepts of parity. I agree that uplifting the bottom-line will uplift everyone, but what does one gain by economic equality anyway? Social equality is a different thing...