Commonwealth Games 2018

[Viking 63]

India did really good at the CWG ! Pakistan sports managers are you watching or your heads still buried under the sand ??

 

[Nilgiri]

There is commonality. I saw Inam and Somveer chatting away and it was heartwarming to see.

Haha good you saw it too. They have probably met number of times already and formed a sportsmanship bond.

But there is also the cold reality of the fact that funding is finished for sports in Pakistan and the medals tally showed this. I don't know if you saw the post that Inam had to take a loan out to get there.....Words fail me when I hear that.

That is quite disheartening to hear! Pakistan must do better, the talent is obviously there. I also have seen kids (Esp in countryside) in India swimming like fish...but the talent is quite squandered over time.....because of the great discipline and focus (and thus funding) needed to nurture it and make it come to top tier fruition.

Pehlwans have it somewhat better given our heritage there, but to hear in Pakistan its getting this bad even there is quite sad to hear my brother.

India has made great investments in sports they have a base in i.e. wrestling, shooting, weightlifting, boxing and son. They have employed world class coaches and there are good training facilities for these guys. Pakistan must learn and follow.

Yes these are early promising trends setting base for further improvement at absolute highest level (olympics)...and definitely Pakistan should learn from Indian experience where it can (given we have made many mistakes too in the approach you need not have to go through).

But even these give idea of how bad it is still, and still much much improvement to be made, take boxing for example:

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-of-medals-thanks-to-positional-play-5132303/

“I was surprised that some of these things, which are fundamental at an elite level, were not worked upon very much with the Indian boxers,” Neiva told The Indian Express after Phangal entered men’s lightweight semi-final on Tuesday. “By fundamentals, I mean basic things like how to position yourself in offensive and defensive situations, in the centre of the ring and so on. Boxing isn’t only about punches. Like in football, positioning is very important.”

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Mary Kom, who competes in her semifinal on Wednesday, had said it was only after she started training under foreign coaches that she realized how India’s training methods were primitive.

“Coaching kabhi thi he nahi. Just one advice, one-two punch maaro,” she had lamented a day before the team’s departure for the Commonwealth Games.

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So you can see from this, even what we are medalling in CWG means next to no results at olympics when we gotta face things like the Cubans (who treat boxing like we do cricket, its matter of national honour etc). We need to overhaul entire infrastructure (esp the "software" part), its not only funding issue. Then only is it even possible to attract the real best of the coaches and trainers too....they also need to feel like their efforts will bear real fruit...past what they are paid (that they can get from many places given the demand) etc.

Only with the "Software" commitment (to follow the hardware i.e funding + infra) can we get real results. The best example I have seen in reasonable time frame with not much previous heritage is Indian Badminton. It is quite the story of triumph of one man with vision and real commitment (Pulela Gopichand) backed up with a number of allies too. Now they are really dominating and perpetuating self-driven momentum from it, more medals there in olympics are just a matter of time. I want to see this model adapted in many more places in South Asia.

@Gibbs

 

[waz]

Haha good you saw it too. They have probably met number of times already and formed a sportsmanship bond.

Yes mate they've come across each other a great deal and are very friendly with each other.

That is quite disheartening to hear! Pakistan must do better, the talent is obviously there. I also have seen kids (Esp in countryside) in India swimming like fish...but the talent is quite squandered over time.....because of the great discipline and focus (and thus funding) needed to nurture it and make it come to top tier fruition.

Pehlwans have it somewhat better given our heritage there, but to hear in Pakistan its getting this bad even there is quite sad to hear my brother.

You're too nice with your words, it's a bloody national disgrace. India does and will have more money in the future and I'm pretty sure they will start to break into swimming and other sports. I mean who would have thought about Indian gymnasts 20 years ago, but now India, again with investment has made leaps and they do have some very good athletes.
Yep, you said it one regarding wrestling, the only reason it has survived is because of links to heritage and the sheer passion of the men who competed. The government couldn't give a toss bro.

Yes these are early promising trends setting base for further improvement at absolute highest level (olympics)...and definitely Pakistan should learn from Indian experience where it can (given we have made many mistakes too in the approach you need not have to go through).

I've said this for past 10 years, that a similar nation has overcome its difficulties and managed to produce success stories i.e. the blueprint is there, Pakistan doesn't need to hit the drawing board. Well maybe a change in governance could do the trick.

But even these give idea of how bad it is still, and still much much improvement to be made, take boxing for example:

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-of-medals-thanks-to-positional-play-5132303/

“I was surprised that some of these things, which are fundamental at an elite level, were not worked upon very much with the Indian boxers,” Neiva told The Indian Express after Phangal entered men’s lightweight semi-final on Tuesday. “By fundamentals, I mean basic things like how to position yourself in offensive and defensive situations, in the centre of the ring and so on. Boxing isn’t only about punches. Like in football, positioning is very important.”

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Mary Kom, who competes in her semifinal on Wednesday, had said it was only after she started training under foreign coaches that she realized how India’s training methods were primitive.

“Coaching kabhi thi he nahi. Just one advice, one-two punch maaro,” she had lamented a day before the team’s departure for the Commonwealth Games.

=========

So you can see from this, even what we are medalling in CWG means next to no results at olympics when we gotta face things like the Cubans (who treat boxing like we do cricket, its matter of national honour etc). We need to overhaul entire infrastructure (esp the "software" part), its not only funding issue. Then only is it even possible to attract the real best of the coaches and trainers too....they also need to feel like their efforts will bear real fruit...past what they are paid (that they can get from many places given the demand) etc.

Only with the "Software" commitment (to follow the hardware i.e funding + infra) can we get real results. The best example I have seen in reasonable time frame with not much previous heritage is Indian Badminton. It is quite the story of triumph of one man with vision and real commitment (Pulela Gopichand) backed up with a number of allies too. Now they are really dominating and perpetuating self-driven momentum from it, more medals there in olympics are just a matter of time. I want to see this model adapted in many more places in South Asia.

@Gibbs

Thank you for the insight, and I loved what the legendary Mary Kom said that India went through self-reflection and used valuable people/knowledge from elsewhere to increase the aptitude that Indian athletes had. The badminton stuff has been great.

 

[mike2000 is back]

We've switched away from the basketball which is annoying. But we just won the boxing final, a gold in the superheavy weight division.
Yes we are competing as three distinct nations, not as the UK. Congrats on a good games.

Yes. If you consider that unlike imI'the Olympics we are not participating as Great Britain, but as England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. So England still did fairly well.
Moreover, did you watch our girls netball game against Australia. The most entertaining game i have sstvhed so far during this games. Our girls did well beating Australia @jhungary

 

[jhungary]

Yes. If you consider that unlike imI'the Olympics we are not participating as Great Britain, but as England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. So England still did fairly well.
Moreover, did you watch our girls netball game against Australia. The most entertaining game i have sstvhed so far during this games. Our girls did well beating Australia @jhungary

lol, I was watching the mens basketball.......congrats

 

[Nilgiri]

@Joe Shearer a great last 2 or so pages of chat here, when you feel like a bit of respite from the same old.

 

[Kambojaric]

Thanks goodness we got one gold at the end. Our hockey team was keen on drawing with everyone regardless of calibre. They finally realized you cant draw in a knock out game and so decided to win the 7-8th place ranked game .

Well done to India though. You guys did well although South Asia in reality should be dominating the top 3 places in this tournament given plain demographics. However the interest in and coverage of sporting events barring cricket are minimal at best in Pakistan today.

 

[Nilgiri]

You guys did well although South Asia in reality should be dominating the top 3 places in this tournament given plain demographics.

Come join us, I want there to be more Desis up here (And over time take respective places in the rankings by population). But you will need to fork out the money and interest for sure....for even the things you are good at already (wrestling). Shameful the gold winner had to pay his own way for room, board and travel and whatever else. @waz

BTW, @Ashes , @Mage @bluesky good job by the two BD shooters getting silver. There was a BD wrestling lass who shared a good post-match hug with her Indian opponent too (who got bronze in that category). Good to see the warmth....and hope BD also takes more interest in promoting non-cricket sporting base.

 

[Sam Vaish]

Cheers buddy, he did perform brilliantly, hopefully he can emulate this performance at the Tokyo Olympics.Kudos bhai

You see when any Pakistani achieve something we praise you guys, after all we are not against you guys. praising achievement of someone is a nice thing and this kind of encouragement motivate the achiever.

 

[bluesky]

You see when any Pakistani achieve something we praise you guys, after all we are not against you guys. praising achievement of someone is a nice thing and this kind of encouragement motivate the achiever.

Do not expect any thing good in the PDF. People here are busy only in mud throwing.

 

[Mage]

hope BD also takes more interest in promoting non-cricket sporting base.

They won't.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Nilgiri @waz

Anna,

another good template is what is happening in Haryana with boxing and wrestling (incl hearteningly for women). It is time what happens there is replicated in the Indian and Pakistani Punjab. These are traditionally "martial sports" lands and with good encouragement both countries can be sure of winning a handful of medals in Asiads, CWG and even Olympics.

On a side note, it is good to see that in at least non-cricket sports the usual Indo-Pak-BD nautanki is set aside on this forum.

Regards

 

[third eye]

Army Sports Institute, Pune in CWG 2018 at Gold Coast, Australia......
Sub Neeraj Chopra won first ever Gold Medal in Javelin throw with season best 86.47M ,
Nb Sub Amit won Silver Medal in Boxing 49 kg,
Nb Sub Gaurav Solanki won Gold Medal in Boxing 52 kg,
Nb Sub Manish Kaushik won Silver Medal in Boxing 60 kg,
Nb Sub M Hassumudeen won Bronze Medal in Boxing 56 kg,
Sub Satish won Silver Medal in Boxing +91kg,
Nb Sub Deepak Lather won Bronze Medal in Wtlifting.
Sub Jinson Jonson came 5th in 1500M n broke 23 yrs old Indian National Record.

Total......

02 Gold Medals,

03 Silver Medals n 02 Bronze Medals. Sportsmen of ASI, Pune have created history by winning 07 medals in any CWG.

 

[jhungary]

Probably it is very interesting for any of you to know.

"Every right to be filthy." Mel McLaughlin backs Jo Griggs in Commonwealth Games disaster.

The Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have come to an end with a heavily-criticised closing ceremony.

Channel Seven Hosts Johanna Griggs and Basil Zempilas were “furious” at the ceremony organisers because the vision they provided last night did not include the athletes entering the stadium.

Viewers also missed out on seeing inspirational para-sports veteran Kurt Fearnley carrying the Australian flag into the arena because My Kitchen Rules was airing.

Zempilas was at first diplomatic, telling viewers: “Look, we understand many people have been disappointed by tonight’s Closing Ceremony. I’ve got to say it’s about the only thing they got wrong. They did get it wrong tonight.”

© Getty Images Seven commentator Mel McLaughlin. But Griggs – well loved for her typically positive commentary – told Zempilas he was “being too polite”.

“I’m sorry, you’re being way too polite,” Griggs told him, News Corp reports.

“People are thinking that Channel Seven has chosen not to show pictures of athletes or not to show the flag bearer, Kurt Fearnley … We can only show the pictures that are provided by the actual host broadcasters. They made the decision not to have athletes enter the stadium. I’m furious.”

Now, Seven commentator Mel McLaughlin, says Griggs has “every right to be filthy”.

“You’re not always able to be as honest as you like on TV. But those two were, and rightfully so,” she said.

© social Jo Griggs furious at Games' footage. Image via Channel Seven “It’s what the punters are thinking at home … it’s a huge celebration. The athletes want to relax, they want to party, they want to be on show… Jo was filthy and she had every right to be.

“You want to see the athletes come in. You want to see them jumping in front of camera. You want to see them celebrating 11 days of great sport. We missed out on all of that.”

On Monday morning, Commonwealth Games chairman Peter Beattie admitted organisers had “stuffed up”.

“The athletes would not have enjoyed last night. I understand that and frankly the buck stops with me on that,” he toldABC.

He explained athletes had been herded into the stadium early to avoid having them being kept “standing around” for a long period time and getting bored.

Griggs said the fact the athletes weren’t filmed entering the stadium was “wrecking tradition”.

The reaction from fans on social media was one of disappointment in Games organisers, and there were many people applauding Griggs and Zempilas for their honesty.









Griggs continued that many athletes left half-way through the ceremony, saying she’d “never seen the stadium so empty”.

At which point Zempilas weighed in, conceding many of the speeches were “way too long, dare I say, a little self-indulgent”.

It’s a disappointing end to an otherwise successful games.

We stuffed up the game closing ceremony...It didn't matter how great our athletes perform, this is what all of Australia talking about now, and on every major Australian Newspaper

 

[Nilgiri]

They won't.

Why not? The shooters did well, why not take that as place to start?

Probably it is very interesting for any of you to know.

"Every right to be filthy." Mel McLaughlin backs Jo Griggs in Commonwealth Games disaster.

The Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have come to an end with a heavily-criticised closing ceremony.

Channel Seven Hosts Johanna Griggs and Basil Zempilas were “furious” at the ceremony organisers because the vision they provided last night did not include the athletes entering the stadium.

Viewers also missed out on seeing inspirational para-sports veteran Kurt Fearnley carrying the Australian flag into the arena because My Kitchen Rules was airing.

Zempilas was at first diplomatic, telling viewers: “Look, we understand many people have been disappointed by tonight’s Closing Ceremony. I’ve got to say it’s about the only thing they got wrong. They did get it wrong tonight.”

© Getty Images Seven commentator Mel McLaughlin. But Griggs – well loved for her typically positive commentary – told Zempilas he was “being too polite”.

“I’m sorry, you’re being way too polite,” Griggs told him, News Corp reports.

“People are thinking that Channel Seven has chosen not to show pictures of athletes or not to show the flag bearer, Kurt Fearnley … We can only show the pictures that are provided by the actual host broadcasters. They made the decision not to have athletes enter the stadium. I’m furious.”

Now, Seven commentator Mel McLaughlin, says Griggs has “every right to be filthy”.

“You’re not always able to be as honest as you like on TV. But those two were, and rightfully so,” she said.

© social Jo Griggs furious at Games' footage. Image via Channel Seven “It’s what the punters are thinking at home … it’s a huge celebration. The athletes want to relax, they want to party, they want to be on show… Jo was filthy and she had every right to be.

“You want to see the athletes come in. You want to see them jumping in front of camera. You want to see them celebrating 11 days of great sport. We missed out on all of that.”

On Monday morning, Commonwealth Games chairman Peter Beattie admitted organisers had “stuffed up”.

“The athletes would not have enjoyed last night. I understand that and frankly the buck stops with me on that,” he toldABC.

He explained athletes had been herded into the stadium early to avoid having them being kept “standing around” for a long period time and getting bored.

Griggs said the fact the athletes weren’t filmed entering the stadium was “wrecking tradition”.

The reaction from fans on social media was one of disappointment in Games organisers, and there were many people applauding Griggs and Zempilas for their honesty.









Griggs continued that many athletes left half-way through the ceremony, saying she’d “never seen the stadium so empty”.

At which point Zempilas weighed in, conceding many of the speeches were “way too long, dare I say, a little self-indulgent”.

It’s a disappointing end to an otherwise successful games.

We stuffed up the game closing ceremony...It didn't matter how great our athletes perform, this is what all of Australia talking about now, and on every major Australian Newspaper

The commentary was quite good on most sports, they got real experts/former winners which was good. Didnt watch either ceremony, the highlights of the opening ceremony didn't impress me, seemed rushed and amateur.