Commonwealth Games 2018

[waz]

I think England have a good come back in the second quarter, 23 : 21 if I remember correctly. And it's amazing how you guys force Liz Cambage out lol.......she is, or I should say was, our main scorer




Yeah, I was checking the last commonwealth game tally, I think you guys were robbed quite a few medal in cycling and swimming...But you guys didn't lost that much compare to Canada....

And I always forgot the 3 states ( or regions?) complete under a different entity...

We've switched away from the basketball which is annoying. But we just won the boxing final, a gold in the superheavy weight division.
Yes we are competing as three distinct nations, not as the UK. Congrats on a good games.

 

[jhungary]

Yes, most Games are biased towards the West. So we always have an extraordinary number of swimming events and lack of eastern sports. I'm not blaming just Australia. But this time you did have more events.

Water Sports and cycling and such requires expensive infrastructure. So it's not right to say that any country can do it.
The right way is to give equal representation to all sports and add more eastern sports.

I don't think it really cost that much money to train good swimmers, do you have swimming pool, lake, beaches in India? If you have them, you have the mean to train swimmers, and high tech training aide isn't really beyond reach to India as well, a few millions may be a large number to average joe, but not really that much if your government are serious about developing such sport.

One more thing, Australia as a whole have lower GDP than India. So, basically, your government could devote more money into sport.

And that is the problem, what is Eastern Sport? And to some extent what is "Western Sport" Sport is sport? Take baseball as an example. baseball was originally in France, but the world best baseball player is generally the one from Asia (Korea, Japan and Taiwan). If a country want to succeed in some sport they are interested, it doesn't matter is that sport is western or if the country is eastern.

There are no such things as "Eastern" or "Western" sport. if you want to be good at swimming, you can be. Doesn't matter if you are Indian, or Japanese (by the way, Japanese are quite good at swimming too)

 

[911]

This is not a reason lol.....A lot of our swimming based athletes are based off the coast and born in the landlock part of this country too. But even if you live inland, you can still train with swimming pool and other places.

yes, it is in this country that people are quite water going (I can swim not I probably cannot swim to save my life) but I don't think this is anything that said we are good at this sport, there are recreational swimmers and there are professional swimmer, just because you like to hit the beach everyday does not mean you will get a medal

Almost all your major cities are near ocean, and culture and training matters more than anything in these things.

 

[jhungary]

We've switched away from the basketball which is annoying. But we just won the boxing final, a gold in the superheavy weight division.
Yes we are competing as three distinct nations, not as the UK. Congrats on a good games.

You too. and good luck on men Rugby 7 too. A nice win over our boys

 

[waz]

You too. and good luck on men Rugby 7 too. A nice win over our boys

By the way get hold of those losers from the Cameroon squad that have gone "missing".

 

[ranjeet]

What India lacked and still somewhat lack is a sports culture. "Padhoge likhoge banoge Nawab, kheloge kudoge to hoge kharaab" narrative is still there, parnets wanted a secure professional life for their kids hence never allowed their kids to persue sports. Things are changing, endorsements and government support has started pouring in few sports but still miles to go ahead to be a major power in sports. People who brought glory to India in sports have largely done so on their own expense with little or no help from the gorvernment. Things will change in coming decade for good.

 

[jhungary]

Almost all your major cities are near ocean, and culture and training matters more than anything in these things.

Again, it does not really matter, US have only half the coast line we have, yet they dominate us on Swimming, being close to the coast does not really matter, most swimmer are trained indoor (To get rid of the weather issue) so unless you are telling me India have problem building swimming pool, what you said is a non starter.

My best guess is the sporting culture is not as general in India than in Australia, I think India just don't really care about sporting development at this stage? I am not speaking against India, because simply different country have different priority, and sporting in India probably only limited to some sport (Cricket, Car Racing and so on) and not generally interested in other field.

I think unless your government change the policy on sport, we cannot see how this have a major change.

By the way get hold of those losers from the Cameroon squad that have gone "missing".

Nope, probably never going to catch them, 5 of them just gone and they may or may not apply asylum afterward.

I also heard that some folks from Ghana and Cameroon run loose after 2012 London Olympic, which is a shame professional level athletes would do something like that.

 

[KapitaanAli]

I don't think it really cost that much money to train good swimmers, do you have swimming pool, lake, beaches in India? If you have them, you have the mean to train swimmers, and high tech training aide isn't really beyond reach to India as well, a few millions may be a large number to average joe, but not really that much if your government are serious about developing such sport.

One more thing, Australia as a whole have lower GDP than India. So, basically, your government could devote more money into sport.

And that is the problem, what is Eastern Sport? And to some extent what is "Western Sport" Sport is sport? Take baseball as an example. baseball was originally in France, but the world best baseball player is generally the one from Asia (Korea, Japan and Taiwan). If a country want to succeed in some sport they are interested, it doesn't matter is that sport is western or if the country is eastern.

There are no such things as "Eastern" or "Western" sport. if you want to be good at swimming, you can be. Doesn't matter if you are Indian, or Japanese (by the way, Japanese are quite good at swimming too)

Let me make myself clear and end the discussion:

1. Hosts are indeed given advantage.

2. Most Games (capital G) are biased in favour of West. There are indeed eastern and western games/sports, or simply region specific games/sports. They're either because of tradition, or invention, or expense, or simply intrinsic talent. World hasn't reached homogeneity.
There's also the factor of how one specific sport is played. The rules can be made to favour one tradition over another.

3. All sports should be given equal representation as much as possible. That's not the case as of now.

4. It's not right for Indians to say that say, Australia spends more per capita on sports and thus India deserves equal credit. India doesn't. Our objective should be to develop enough so that we can spend more as well.

5. It's not right for say, Australians to say that India has a bigger population and thus have a higher potential for medals and yet fails. Unless your country has only 10,000 people, a smaller population is actually more advantageous. It's not some prehistoric war.

 

[911]

Again, it does not really matter, US have only half the coast line we have, yet they dominate us on Swimming, being close to the coast does not really matter, most swimmer are trained indoor (To get rid of the weather issue) so unless you are telling me India have problem building swimming pool, what you said is a non starter.

My best guess is the sporting culture is not as general in India than in Australia, I think India just don't really care about sporting development at this stage? I am not speaking against India, because simply different country have different priority, and sporting in India probably only limited to some sport (Cricket, Car Racing and so on) and not generally interested in other field.

I think unless your government change the policy on sport, we cannot see how this have a major change.

Not here to take away from Australians to be honest, your team did really good. My only point was we are not doing enough in swimming and that there is not parity between our athletes and your athletes in this discipline yet. Just look at the shooting in commonwealth games pre-2000, India barely used to win medals in shooting back then. You can guess the reason.

 

[911]

in India 2010 we had much more shooting events

Actually when Australia used to dominate shooting we used to have around 40 gold medal events in commonwealth games. Just as India started to dominate, the gold medal events were gradually decreased over the years, now its half of what it used to be. Not sure what the reason is though. And next games there is no shooting at all, so we will miss out a few medals. On the other hand, gold medal events in swimming is now almost double of what it used to be , and this does not include other aquatic events such as diving.

 

[swnjo]

this was her first gold in CWG right?

yes,this is her first.

 

[HariPrasad]

Well played although 15 of your golds are in para sports and almost half of all medals in swimming.


Most of your cities are near sea and people spend a lot of time at beach. While here most of our population lives in land locked area. Given how its a matter of split seconds, with limited players pool and inadequate training compared to other countries in aquatics, cycling and gymnastics, we fail to win medals. We can only get better from here, and hopefully soon.

No achievements are achievements. They deserve all credit for their no 1 show.

I don't think it really cost that much money to train good swimmers, do you have swimming pool, lake, beaches in India? If you have them, you have the mean to train swimmers, and high tech training aide isn't really beyond reach to India as well, a few millions may be a large number to average joe, but not really that much if your government are serious about developing such sport.

One more thing, Australia as a whole have lower GDP than India. So, basically, your government could devote more money into sport.

And that is the problem, what is Eastern Sport? And to some extent what is "Western Sport" Sport is sport? Take baseball as an example. baseball was originally in France, but the world best baseball player is generally the one from Asia (Korea, Japan and Taiwan). If a country want to succeed in some sport they are interested, it doesn't matter is that sport is western or if the country is eastern.

There are no such things as "Eastern" or "Western" sport. if you want to be good at swimming, you can be. Doesn't matter if you are Indian, or Japanese (by the way, Japanese are quite good at swimming too)

I livelin a city which has river and sea a bit away. Swimmers who have practiced swimming in river often goes for competiitionin sea and put their best performmance and win competition against locals who swim in sea. They often win 7 km 18 km 21 kmk swimming competition. It is all about culture.

 

[Nilgiri]

We've switched away from the basketball which is annoying. But we just won the boxing final, a gold in the superheavy weight division.
Yes we are competing as three distinct nations, not as the UK. Congrats on a good games.

Waz bro, Pakistan got a gold in wrestling (86kg class)....Pak wrestler was in super good form, he handled the Nigerian 41 year old veteran very well in the final, didnt let him score at all. Good solid old school defense....and wait for the correct counter-attack opportunity to dominate what looked a dynamically stronger opponent.

It was nice to hear Pak anthem and also the Indian wrestler (Somveer) was on podium too for bronze....and they were very friendly to each other (they hugged like they were brothers and posed a lot together for the snaps in super friendly way), it was heartening to see (though I cannot find video of it to post here).

@django @Zibago @MastanKhan @Cookie Monster @Imran Khan

 

[django]

Waz bro, Pakistan got a gold in wrestling (86kg class)....Pak wrestler was in super good form, he handled the Nigerian 41 year old veteran very well in the final, didnt let him score at all. Good solid old school defense....and wait for the correct counter-attack opportunity to dominate what looked a dynamically stronger opponent.

It was nice to hear Pak anthem and also the Indian wrestler (Somveer) was on podium too for bronze....and they were very friendly to each other (they hugged like they were brothers and posed a lot together for the snaps in super friendly way), it was heartening to see (though I cannot find video of it to post here).

@django @Zibago @MastanKhan @Cookie Monster @Imran Khan

Cheers buddy, he did perform brilliantly, hopefully he can emulate this performance at the Tokyo Olympics.Kudos bhai

 

[waz]

Waz bro, Pakistan got a gold in wrestling (86kg class)....Pak wrestler was in super good form, he handled the Nigerian 41 year old veteran very well in the final, didnt let him score at all. Good solid old school defense....and wait for the correct counter-attack opportunity to dominate what looked a dynamically stronger opponent.

It was nice to hear Pak anthem and also the Indian wrestler (Somveer) was on podium too for bronze....and they were very friendly to each other (they hugged like they were brothers and posed a lot together for the snaps in super friendly way), it was heartening to see (though I cannot find video of it to post here).

@django @Zibago @MastanKhan @Cookie Monster @Imran Khan

Yes bro it was a great performance, and let's be honest wherever Pakistanis and Indian sportsmen/women meet one another there is a great deal of respect and kindness. There is commonality. I saw Inam and Somveer chatting away and it was heartwarming to see.
But there is also the cold reality of the fact that funding is finished for sports in Pakistan and the medals tally showed this. I don't know if you saw the post that Inam had to take a loan out to get there.....Words fail me when I hear that.

Following his win, Inam was critical of the government, claiming he had not been provided with any funds for training. “I had demanded Rs1 million from the government to prepare for this event but did not receive anything. Along with the Pakistan Wrestling Federation, I spent my own money and was able to win the first Gold medal for the country.”

https://www.geo.tv/latest/191080-wr...ns-pakistans-first-gold-at-commonwealth-games



India has made great investments in sports they have a base in i.e. wrestling, shooting, weightlifting, boxing and son. They have employed world class coaches and there are good training facilities for these guys. Pakistan must learn and follow.
By the way congratulations to the Indian team on a fine games.