Colored revolution in Vietnam 2016?

[BuddhaPalm]

Vietnam Muddles China’s South China Sea Challenge | The Diplomat

While Dung’s faction has reached to Washington, a rival conservative faction led by President Truong Tan Sang and Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong is viewed as ideologically tied to China. In April, Trong and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed at a meeting in Beijing to control their maritime disputes, bolster strategic ties and consider joint development initiatives in the South China Sea. Sang sounded similarly conciliatory notes on the maritime disputes after meeting Xi on the sidelines of last November’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Forum hosted by Beijing.

Sang and Trong were seen as instrumental in smoothing relations with Beijing after deadly anti-China riots in May 2014 drove hundreds of Chinese nationals out of Vietnam. Dung, on the other hand, sounded strong nationalistic notes in the run-up to the riots, which were sparked by China’s placement of an oil exploration rig in waters claimed by Vietnam. Analysts and diplomats still wonder whether the riots, which destroyed several foreign-owned factories, including 14 owned by mainland Chinese investors, erupted organically or had hidden official backing.

If Dung’s faction secures the Party’s top posts, including prime minister, president, National Assembly chair and general secretary, at next year’s National Congress, some analysts believe a more unified leadership would pursue even stronger strategic ties to the U.S. and a bolder stance against China. Should the China-leaning faction prevail, the same analysts expect a slowdown or rollback of engagement with the U.S. and more conciliation towards China. Until the leadership transition is decided, factional infighting and policy indecision will hamstring Vietnam’s ability to counter quickly and coherently China’s game-changing maneuvers in the South China Sea.


Another Viet civil war will knock Viet back decades again. China should offer covert support to destabilize, partition and incapacitate Viet.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Vietnam Muddles China’s South China Sea Challenge | The Diplomat

While Dung’s faction has reached to Washington, a rival conservative faction led by President Truong Tan Sang and Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong is viewed as ideologically tied to China. In April, Trong and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed at a meeting in Beijing to control their maritime disputes, bolster strategic ties and consider joint development initiatives in the South China Sea. Sang sounded similarly conciliatory notes on the maritime disputes after meeting Xi on the sidelines of last November’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Forum hosted by Beijing.

Sang and Trong were seen as instrumental in smoothing relations with Beijing after deadly anti-China riots in May 2014 drove hundreds of Chinese nationals out of Vietnam. Dung, on the other hand, sounded strong nationalistic notes in the run-up to the riots, which were sparked by China’s placement of an oil exploration rig in waters claimed by Vietnam. Analysts and diplomats still wonder whether the riots, which destroyed several foreign-owned factories, including 14 owned by mainland Chinese investors, erupted organically or had hidden official backing.

If Dung’s faction secures the Party’s top posts, including prime minister, president, National Assembly chair and general secretary, at next year’s National Congress, some analysts believe a more unified leadership would pursue even stronger strategic ties to the U.S. and a bolder stance against China. Should the China-leaning faction prevail, the same analysts expect a slowdown or rollback of engagement with the U.S. and more conciliation towards China. Until the leadership transition is decided, factional infighting and policy indecision will hamstring Vietnam’s ability to counter quickly and coherently China’s game-changing maneuvers in the South China Sea.


Another Viet civil war will knock Viet back decades again. China should offer covert support to destabilize, partition and incapacitate Viet.

The Vietnamese hate China across board. So, the difference will be between very very anti-China policies, and very anti-China policies.

Any Vietnamese government that tries to do some reconciliation with China, without substantial Chinese concessions, which are unlikely, will be thrown out of office instantly.

Also, don't do a Ukraine style action on Vietnam if Vietnam does have an uprising. It will be far more useful to deal with it the way European Union is dealing with Greece. To deal with the current government, and play the game slow and safe, until the new government alters its policies.

 

[DaiViet]

Vietnam Muddles China’s South China Sea Challenge | The Diplomat

While Dung’s faction has reached to Washington, a rival conservative faction led by President Truong Tan Sang and Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong is viewed as ideologically tied to China. In April, Trong and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed at a meeting in Beijing to control their maritime disputes, bolster strategic ties and consider joint development initiatives in the South China Sea. Sang sounded similarly conciliatory notes on the maritime disputes after meeting Xi on the sidelines of last November’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Forum hosted by Beijing.

Sang and Trong were seen as instrumental in smoothing relations with Beijing after deadly anti-China riots in May 2014 drove hundreds of Chinese nationals out of Vietnam. Dung, on the other hand, sounded strong nationalistic notes in the run-up to the riots, which were sparked by China’s placement of an oil exploration rig in waters claimed by Vietnam. Analysts and diplomats still wonder whether the riots, which destroyed several foreign-owned factories, including 14 owned by mainland Chinese investors, erupted organically or had hidden official backing.

If Dung’s faction secures the Party’s top posts, including prime minister, president, National Assembly chair and general secretary, at next year’s National Congress, some analysts believe a more unified leadership would pursue even stronger strategic ties to the U.S. and a bolder stance against China. Should the China-leaning faction prevail, the same analysts expect a slowdown or rollback of engagement with the U.S. and more conciliation towards China. Until the leadership transition is decided, factional infighting and policy indecision will hamstring Vietnam’s ability to counter quickly and coherently China’s game-changing maneuvers in the South China Sea.


Another Viet civil war will knock Viet back decades again. China should offer covert support to destabilize, partition and incapacitate Viet.

Not sure if this article understands Vietnamese overall. The VCP built on concre of pro Soviet. After Soviet collapse it seeks for Western and Japan to fill the gap of Soviet, not China it thinks about. The mass Vietnamese traditionally not fond with China therefore any VCP leader is dumb enough to be pro-China will angry the mass, a small trigger anti-China from the Viet abroad can End the legitimacy of VCP. After all only battle of Dien Bien Phu that help VCP hold power, nothing follow that helps it hold on power, Vietnamese tired of it already, plague corruption from top to bottom of the government, now let assume it pro China and give up Spratly will help end it fast.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

We just want to see chaos, war, starvation, disease and death in Vietnam. Do not really care about any side in the conflict. A swift push from China and Vietnam will fall into civil war abyss. Do it now!

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Vietnam Muddles China’s South China Sea Challenge | The Diplomat

While Dung’s faction has reached to Washington, a rival conservative faction led by President Truong Tan Sang and Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong is viewed as ideologically tied to China. In April, Trong and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed at a meeting in Beijing to control their maritime disputes, bolster strategic ties and consider joint development initiatives in the South China Sea. Sang sounded similarly conciliatory notes on the maritime disputes after meeting Xi on the sidelines of last November’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Forum hosted by Beijing.

Sang and Trong were seen as instrumental in smoothing relations with Beijing after deadly anti-China riots in May 2014 drove hundreds of Chinese nationals out of Vietnam. Dung, on the other hand, sounded strong nationalistic notes in the run-up to the riots, which were sparked by China’s placement of an oil exploration rig in waters claimed by Vietnam. Analysts and diplomats still wonder whether the riots, which destroyed several foreign-owned factories, including 14 owned by mainland Chinese investors, erupted organically or had hidden official backing.

If Dung’s faction secures the Party’s top posts, including prime minister, president, National Assembly chair and general secretary, at next year’s National Congress, some analysts believe a more unified leadership would pursue even stronger strategic ties to the U.S. and a bolder stance against China. Should the China-leaning faction prevail, the same analysts expect a slowdown or rollback of engagement with the U.S. and more conciliation towards China. Until the leadership transition is decided, factional infighting and policy indecision will hamstring Vietnam’s ability to counter quickly and coherently China’s game-changing maneuvers in the South China Sea.


Another Viet civil war will knock Viet back decades again. China should offer covert support to destabilize, partition and incapacitate Viet.

This is foolish. A color revolution will bring Vietnam to lick the assx of USA. China should support Vietnam northern faction and stay low key in SCS which she is doing now and she is doing good.

PDF PRC need to think deeper.

 

[S10]

This is foolish. A color revolution will bring Vietnam to lick the assx of USA. China should support Vietnam northern faction and stay low key in SCS which she is doing now and she is doing good.

PDF PRC need to think deeper.

Despite what government of both countries say on the surface, there is no friendship. Vietnam is already actively courting US and Japan to get involved in SCS. It's better to split Vietnam back into two rather than letting a unified Vietnam creating trouble for us. A weakened and divided Vietnam can no longer pose any type of threat, and stun their economic growth. Better yet, if the two halves engages in a civil war, China can sell weapons to sustain the killing.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Despite what government of both countries say on the surface, there is no friendship. Vietnam is already actively courting US and Japan to get involved in SCS. It's better to split Vietnam back into two rather than letting a unified Vietnam creating trouble for us. A weakened and divided Vietnam can no longer pose any type of threat, and stun their economic growth. Better yet, if the two halves engages in a civil war, China can sell weapons to sustain the killing.

Only the southern faction is courting USA and they are aided by God damn many stupid PRC who want to push Vietnam to become China sworn enemies.

These PRC want everything bad for China and Lux is going to advise good to them.

 

[S10]

Only the southern faction is courting USA and they are aided by God damn many stupid PRC who want to push Vietnam to become China sworn enemies.

These PRC want everything bad for China and Lux is going to advise good to them.

The "only southern faction" is a wet dream. Vietnam has always been weary of China as a whole, regardless of faction. The war of 1979 and naval battle of 1988 were both fought before "southern faction" was in power. The sooner people realize that Vietnam is to be treated as a hostile state, the easier it is to dismantle them.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The "only southern faction" is a wet dream. Vietnam has always been weary of China as a whole, regardless of faction. The war of 1979 and naval battle of 1988 were both fought before "southern faction" was in power. The sooner people realize that Vietnam is to be treated as a hostile state, the easier it is to dismantle them.

Then why dont Vietnam just join NATO? Nothing is holding them back if your argument is valid.

 

[IR-TR]

With every day passing by, the average Vietnamese understands his livelyhood depends on trade and investments with and from China. That is pretty much enough for anybody to shut up. Look at how Korea has turned around. It gives people and countries an incentive to solve problems peacefully. And yes, in the end, Asian nations (except India in the future) will have to accept that there is a country with Fing 1.4 billion people, and it's going to be more powerful and influential than the rest. No amount of US military bases or arms purchases is going to change that fact.
That being said, this 9 dash line needs to be dealt with very carefully. The US is going to blow it up and make the whole world hate China if you guys aren't careful.

 

[21stCentury]

China should invest heavily on the pro-China factions within Vietnam and help them come to power. We shouldn't allow a renegade sinic outpost province causing trouble in our periphery. Vietnam had always been very close to China and so it will be again, all it needs is a leadership change.

5th golden era of Vietnam 2030-2xxx?

 

[Cossack25A1]

Jiang BuddhaPalm is waiting for his battle order!

He is too excited to commit genocide with his neighbor!!

 

[empirefighter]

This is foolish. A color revolution will bring Vietnam to lick the assx of USA. China should support Vietnam northern faction and stay low key in SCS which she is doing now and she is doing good.

PDF PRC need to think deeper.

No,color revolution inVietnam is very good for China.
1.Vietnam is reasonable race,they hate us and nothing with wheather communism or not ,they give us nothing when VCP controls,so we will lose nothing .Vietnam hate us ,donot you think VCP is innocent and not provoke it?they border us by land and that means we dont need to worry a war unless they are too stupid.
2.In China,we think Vietnan can outcompete other countries in economy because of their communism system,if they abandon this ,it will be very good. It will be a long way to complete industrization without strong leadership，it is ok，Vietnam can provide fruits for us.
3.US help? Why US risk the nuclear war to fight for Vietnam who once was its enemy，unless Vietnam can provide some benifit to US，the best timing had passed ，the stragetic value of Vietnam is help US to contain our navy in SCS,but today SCS is just like our backyard pool. That means the value of Vietnam is trivival，poor country，you even canot sell yourself for a better price. One more thing，if new Vietnam get too clsed to US，it may lose Russia friendship. Lol，tough balance.
In total,the color revolution in Vietnam will make Vietnamese to hate us more since the politicians will provoke it, but it is not a big deal,they are never side by us so we will lose nothing. Thay dare not to start a war,if they do,we can take the stolen islands immediately. The best thing is, we can buy Vietnam girls with much less money decade later.

 

[empirefighter]

Jiang BuddhaPalm is waiting for his battle order!

He is too excited to commit genocide with his neighbor!!

Our neighbours？you mean the trivival incapable neighbours like your country and Vietnam ？ No，it is not exited at all，F this kind of weak countries cannot bring us any honor and just dirty our hands.

 

[DaiViet]

Its fun to see these delusional Chinese wishful thinking . they speak like some one knows all and can make thing happen like how they wish.