COAS and DG ISI reach PM house

[Trailer23]

Can someone please retweet this video clip to PPP & get their response.

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509837849775988749

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509840516074065921

 

[vi-va]

The culprit is the establishment. But I think the establishment is "passively" involved rather than being directly involved in the return of the "electables". This is how it works out:

1) Establishment thinks the "electables" can come back one day and sit on the throne, hence they deserve pardon. Therefore, ignore all NAB cases, and pressurize the supreme court into cancelling bails, and dropping cases. This allows the establishment to have a bargaining chip in the future, and force them to give incentives to the establishment-industrial complex.

2) Hence, the "electables" survive to see another day, and continue with their everyday feudal politics. Subsequently, they exploit the "flawed system" you talked about, to collude with foreign powers, to undermine state institutions, judiciary, army and anti corruption bureaucracy to get NRO.

3) The "electables" again come to power, and continue to sustain the exact "flawed system" you talked about.

The biggest problem is that, the Establishment is working with the assumption that the "familiar" political parties are integral part of Pakistan, hence they must be supported, and always given an escape route when a leader such as Imran Khan emerge. They do that for future benefits. And that "future" is an abstract which the establishment wants to keep believing in. Hence, they keep supporting it. The result is that, the cycle of electables coming to power continues, while the ordinary man is just looking at the flawed system from a distance, helpless.

You have already heard the news, that the National Security Council has endorsed the letter. But do you still remember when Establishment pawns, like Shahzain Bugti left the government on flimsy grounds? Or when the Aleem Khan group decided to move towards PDM even when govt. capitulated and agreed to Pervaiz Elahi for the CM spot? It seems they never wanted Buzdar out in the first place. There was something else going on.

Imran Khan has forced the establishment to side with him in this political fiasco. This could be the start of a reformation process of a flawed system. But as history tells us, the establishment cannot side with Imran Khan completely, because if even there is a 0.1% chance that the "electables" come back to power, they will damage all the little fantasies and dreams the establishment has constructed for itself over the last 70 years. If a superpower like the USA can help the establishment distance itself from a powerful civilian leader like Imran Khan, they will be more than happy about it. And the last few days show that they were VERY happy about it.

This is why, without the magical reformation of the Establishment, there can be no change in Pakistan.

well said.

 

[Enigma SIG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509832837649911813

Is this Pakistan's People Party or American People Party?

 

[Danish Moazzam]

My Assumption.

Imran has played one more very important insurance policy. He sent FM SMQ to the meet in China and has the MOM jest delivered to them. Identifying the snakes the US want to operate in pakistan.

This has put him in a better barter position as all local Journalist and gurantor can be bought, but this opens a new can of worms for Army if they support the regime change.

My feeling,

IK will not survive the VONC and gut feeling is he will be taken out by the Mistablishment. They have too many investment and relatives in the west they cannot jepordize their life and lifestyles.

 

[pkuser2k12]

BLAST FROM THE PAST

THERE WERE BIKAO THEN THEY ARE BIKAO NOW

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509853857064624129

 

[Danish Moazzam]

BLAST FROM THE PAST

THERE WERE BIKAO THEN THEY ARE BIKAO NOW

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509853857064624129

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Isko to kya zaroora hae 5 billion dene ki, for this money you can buy 70% of his team

 

[ghazi52]

..,.,.,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509756174605987840

.,.,.

 

[The Terminator]

We got the headstart in this changing Geopolitical and ever shifting world order as this US analyst suggests. But now would be backtracking from it if regime change succeeds and Russia isn't much fond of betrayal in relationships! He also mentions Pakistan here multiple times too.

We would have to think for the long term. Is it in our best interests to ditch our neighboring rising powers and embrace a far off, already tried liar of a "friend" whose strength and influence is nosediving. Petrodollar had never been under that much threat from big powers as of now. US may loose it's "sanction fangs" faster than we think. If petrodollar is taken down at any moment in the future, then the US has world's highest amount of debt liabilities. It would collapse at lightning speeds faster than the Soviet Union IMHO.

 

[The Terminator]

The culprit is the establishment. But I think the establishment is "passively" involved rather than being directly involved in the return of the "electables". This is how it works out:

1) Establishment thinks the "electables" can come back one day and sit on the throne, hence they deserve pardon. Therefore, ignore all NAB cases, and pressurize the supreme court into cancelling bails, and dropping cases. This allows the establishment to have a bargaining chip in the future, and force them to give incentives to the establishment-industrial complex.

2) Hence, the "electables" survive to see another day, and continue with their everyday feudal politics. Subsequently, they exploit the "flawed system" you talked about, to collude with foreign powers, to undermine state institutions, judiciary, army and anti corruption bureaucracy to get NRO.

3) The "electables" again come to power, and continue to sustain the exact "flawed system" you talked about.

The biggest problem is that, the Establishment is working with the assumption that the "familiar" political parties are integral part of Pakistan, hence they must be supported, and always given an escape route when a leader such as Imran Khan emerge. They do that for future benefits. And that "future" is an abstract which the establishment wants to keep believing in. Hence, they keep supporting it. The result is that, the cycle of electables coming to power continues, while the ordinary man is just looking at the flawed system from a distance, helpless.

You have already heard the news, that the National Security Council has endorsed the letter. But do you still remember when Establishment pawns, like Shahzain Bugti left the government on flimsy grounds? Or when the Aleem Khan group decided to move towards PDM even when govt. capitulated and agreed to Pervaiz Elahi for the CM spot? It seems they never wanted Buzdar out in the first place. There was something else going on.

Imran Khan has forced the establishment to side with him in this political fiasco. This could be the start of a reformation process of a flawed system. But as history tells us, the establishment cannot side with Imran Khan completely, because if even there is a 0.1% chance that the "electables" come back to power, they will damage all the little fantasies and dreams the establishment has constructed for itself over the last 70 years. If a superpower like the USA can help the establishment distance itself from a powerful civilian leader like Imran Khan, they will be more than happy about it. And the last few days show that they were VERY happy about it.

This is why, without the magical reformation of the Establishment, there can be no change in Pakistan.

Very well written piece of art! IMHO electibles are the insurance policy for the establishment to let them maneuver within the political system so that no civilian Govt/personality/PM gets too much powerful that may threaten the mischievous establishment's authority and rather turn the tables on them. That's why every PM's seat is shaken by the protests and sittings by some shady opposition leader to keep the PM on his toes at every moment. They can't afford to have any leader to gain much power that he could ruin their never ending mischievous musical chair power struggle games and in return lets them stay at the helm of the power forever.

And whoever tries to point out that basic flaw in the system, he can easily be tagged as a traitor to the nation. Never dare to question Army/ISI. But at best they are a few top most Generals who inherit this trait form their seniors and follow it religiously as a well engraved military tradition that should never be abandoned. There must have been some sort of insecurities present between those seemingly very powerful persons. It must be figured out through open dialogue! Our country is sinking fast since ages due to this unnecessary power struggle.

 

[blain2]

Mqm are still in a search for the identity after Altaf exit. Their politics has been anti Sindhi always but now siding with Sindhis against their own cousins (PTI - Urdu speaking) they have betrayed entire mahajir community actually. Urdu speaking community was already fedup with mqm hence they will not take this lightly.

They maybe on the search but I don't think this decision was based on "ideology", rather realpolitik i.e. what can help keep MQM relevant for next elections.
Let's realize that the reason PTI has not come out openly against MQM's decision is because the government too realized that it can only do so much for the MQM since the passing of the 18th amendment which gives PPP complete control over Sind/Karachi.

BTW, one of the MQM officials was cursed out by people at KHI for not siding with the PTI. Wondering if this is the treatment for former coalition partners, what surprises are awaiting the "lotay".

 

[The Terminator]

 

[SQ8]

I have heard many arguments regarding Malala, conspiracies like she is a Christian/Catholic girl from Armenia to that her father is a illuminati, but no one I ever talked to about Malala referred her as a Whore or any other foul language, she is a child and even the worse critic of her acknowledges that, they blame her father and other forces for the debacle but not the kid. So you comment mentioning a relative calling her whore is way off to mark, why you even have such relatives? and why not educate them to use better language ?

The term is “badzaat aurat” but again, why should I waste time on people I know are hypocrites?

 

[Darth.Vad3r]

I have heard many arguments regarding Malala, conspiracies like she is a Christian/Catholic girl from Armenia to that her father is a illuminati, but no one I ever talked to about Malala referred her as a Whore or any other foul language, she is a child and even the worse critic of her acknowledges that, they blame her father and other forces for the debacle but not the kid. So you comment mentioning a relative calling her whore is way off to mark, why you even have such relatives? and why not educate them to use better language ?

the flags ur displaying in ur DP speaks volumes about you and btw this comment is very funny ... i cant stop laughing