COAS and DG ISI reach PM house

[pkuser2k12]

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[SaadH]

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FaujioN ka chhota boss in town...

 

[Menace2Society]

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Is this even appropriate right now? What is wrong with your establishment.

 

[blain2]

Is this even appropriate right now? What is wrong with your establishment.

He is not part of the USG. He was invited by our own think tanks/NDU as part of the Islamabad Security Dialogue.

 

[Goritoes]

The term is “badzaat aurat” but again, why should I waste time on people I know are hypocrites?

Again even the worse critics of Malala never call anything that to a child, but as a educated person and their relative i think it would be good if you corrected them, and educate them.

 

[Inception-06]

It’s time to say good bye for Imran Khan. Good luck Pakistanis, I can feel your pain, but really. I’d did not expect anything else. Amateurish governance such as PTI has delivered, would have lead only to fall of this leader and it’s Partie. Don’t know why the supreme leader Khan has not called for general elections, if he really think Pakistan awam/qoom/ Population want a real changing. I can’t see mass Protests of Pakistanis on the streets as we saw when TLP demonstrated they can challenge successfully the write of government, so why not anyone else ? Pakistan gets what the massed wants and deserves. The people of Pakistan expect some minorities and PDFs are fine with the current situation.

 

[truthseeker2010]

"There is something called integrity and morality both of which pakistani society completely lack. What oath do these officers take when they take commission?"

What does the killing of OBL have anything to do with the oath taken by officers? He was a foreigner hiding in Pakistan. Americans came and killed him. Why is the Pakistani military responsible for his security/upkeep? Lapse of intel is a foregone conclusion. Do you think we have ISI posted on every street corner? If we decided to hide him, the Americans had the benefit of technology. Perhaps your anger should be directed at people like Dr Afridi instead of the military. Expecting the military/ISI to know everything at all times is comical. Let's get a little real here please.

"You were not able to stop US drone attacks, yet you never demonstrated you were against it, and Foreign military was operating from your own soil, if they were killing anti pakistani element, why is there attacks still going on against you in your own country?"

Perhaps you did not read the newspapers from those days. Every single strike was condemned by the Pakistani government. I read that with my own eyes in the Dawn/Jang. I must say this about Musharraf, PPP and PML governments, they all protested. Contrary to your claim, the US did not operate their drones from Pakistan soil. They did not need that as they had many bases in Afghanistan. Contrary to the populist rhetoric, many of these same strikes killed the very same people who were conducting suicide bombings all over Pakistan.

"If any of your blood relative will be killed in the name of collateral damage, what would he think of military? The short sightedness of Pakistani policymakers is stunning to say the least. Nato supply was shut because the army generals had no choice otherwise there would have been rebellion in the army. So wardi cares only about wardi, the rest of the country is just a cannon fodder for these generals."

Far more died in the suicide bombings conducted against our very own people by these terrorists compared to those killed in drone strikes. The vast majority of our 80,000 dead come from terrorist attacks and suicide bombings by our own people against other Pakistanis. So some perspective would help here.
Yes, the army generals had no choice because you were not the one to carry the fight to the Americans and lose out in the end. They made the right decision weighing the pros and cons. Had PMIK been there, he would have come to this exact same conclusion. Last, Wardi cares about Pakistan, always has, always will that is why it lost 7,000 dead and suffered more than 30,000 WIA:

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Your lashing out at the army is entirely misplaced. Your anger is over PTI being outplayed by political thieves. Let's not drag the army into this.

"Why is that in tenure of IK there is no drone attack?

The Afghan war was on its tail end by the time IK took office. The Americans had decided to pair back their operations and let ANA do the fighting. In addition, most of the Taliban had moved inside of Afghanistan because the Taliban had taken over Kandahar and surrounding areas. Americans themselves came to the conclusion that it was of no use hitting targets in FATA any longer. So the change in tactics, change in USG, change on the ground co-incided with IK taking over. It was not some deft policy/negotiation by PMIK that led to this outcome.

Why does military need to respond to US militarily?"

How else would the military respond? Can you enlighten us with options available to Pakistan besides verbal protest, shutting down NATO supply routes (by the time IK took over NATO's dependency had also lessened)? What other options were available to Pakistan to respond and teach amreekis a lesson?

"If he is leading the operation in KSA as you said (although i disagree, he is just there doing it as a symbolic job), than he is doing an amazing job when oil facilities are being targeted regularly and that too in heart of KSA."

I don't care about what he is doing in KSA. How is that even relevant to this discussion?

"The former COAS's that are in Pakistan did not get involved much in politics, finished their tenure without any major incident against Pak."

I am not sure how old you are, because either you were not around or are not aware of the ongoings then. BB hated Beg and NS was not too fond of him either. Gen Kakar had to broker peace between the troika (GIK, BB and NS) constantly in his tenure and had to advise BB to call for elections. Gen. Karamat quit his job because of the dirty politics. So given the political immaturity in Pakistan, every single CoAS has had to broker peace.

I don't think you know something called accountability. Please google the word oath and try to understand the meaning of it. If your intel cannot even take out moles from the govt employees, than doing it in general public would be impossible for them. Shamsi base is where?
By repeating Wardi cares about Pak won't change the ground realities. They are committing the same mistakes, they have done in past.
You should first understand why am i blaming army generals (not all) in the first place? I never said Army.
Please read my question again before defending generals blindly.

 

[SD 10]

well today he started his speech by saying wee are not in any camp , seems like we will join US camp again just because of these stooges! Why is he even making comments of foreign policy? Its not his job!

 

[Shahzad hanif]

پاپا نے عمران خان کو وزارت عظمیٰ کی نشست چھوڑنے کا حکم دیا کیونکہ پاپا ان سے مطمئن نہیں اور انہیں ان پر اعتماد نہیں

 

[Tamerlane]

What does the killing of OBL have anything to do with the oath taken by officers? He was a foreigner hiding in Pakistan. Americans came and killed him.

I’m not sure why you’re accepting the US narrative about killing OBL in Pakistan?

I’ve seen eye witness reports, on Pakistani news channels, that there were two helicopters. One crashed at the house and there were dead soldiers lying around. The second helicopter never landed and flew away.

That doesn’t sync with the US claim of killing OBL and taking his body away.

 

[maithil]

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[blain2]

I don't think you know something called accountability. Please google the word oath and try to understand the meaning of it. If your intel cannot even take out moles from the govt employees, than doing it in general public would be impossible for them. Shamsi base is where?
By repeating Wardi cares about Pak won't change the ground realities. They are committing the same mistakes, they have done in past.
You should first understand why am i blaming army generals (not all) in the first place? I never said Army.
Please read my question again before defending generals blindly.

Accountability for what? For letting OBL die?

Yes, our intel, or for that matter intel of any country is unable to take out all the moles. This is why the US has moles from Russia, Israel and countless other countries despite what the CIA can do. This is how the intelligence game is played. Nobody knows everything, all the time. One needs to a realist to realize this and this is why you did not see the heads of the CIA/MI-6 roll after 9/11 and 7/11 happened in those countries. So don't preach accountability here when you clearly don't understand the operational challenges involved yourself.

Shamsi base was a UAE facility. It was rented out by the UAE to the US. It was used as a logistical base and for a brief period of time the US housed Predator drones there but the base itself was responsible for less than 3-5% of the strikes conducted. The US operations were duly shut down after Salala which is another case in point that Pakistan took whatever steps it could against the US to a very limited effect because more drone attacks (90-95%) into FATA were launched from Afghan air bases.

Lastly, your blaming the generals and then offering this mea-culpa "You should first understand why am i blaming army generals (not all) in the first place? I never said Army." is simply dishonest. I see your posts and those of quite a few others getting on the same bandwagon with one goal, to bring the army and its leadership into disrepute. For some it is out of frustration with the current situation, but for many, it is simply a case of finding an excuse to go after the army as they have with each opportunity available to them.

I’m not sure why you’re accepting the US narrative about killing OBL in Pakistan?

I’ve seen eye witness reports, on Pakistani news channels, that there were two helicopters. One crashed at the house and there were dead soldiers lying around. The second helicopter never landed and flew away.

That doesn’t sync with the US claim of killing OBL and taking his body away.

Ok he is not dead, he is alive and living with Elvis Presley, who is also alive.

Joking aside, OBL has nothing to do with any of the topics under discussion here.

 

[blain2]

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[Maula Jatt]

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1:24 look at the man's reaction to his statement
pretty much summed up the reaction of many people

 

[SQ8]

1:24 look at the man's reaction to his statement
pretty much summed up the reaction of many people

Many people are secret burping? Basically you hold it for a bit before you let it out where the sound gets muffled. It is actually a common practice