CNN: Why a military spat between Japan and South Korea could snowball into crisis

[TaiShang]

We might be poorer and under 'authotarian' rule but at least our country is free and independent.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Which country is free here?

China. When you obey a country that did this to you:

you are a slave. Your silly little exercise in comparative politics doesn't change that fact.

 

[Suika]

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China. When you obey a country that did this to you:

you are a slave. Your silly little exercise in comparative politics doesn't change that fact.

Germany and France had been mortal enemies but today they trust each other more than any other major power and work closely together as the two top countries in the EU. Poland suffered enormously under Nazi control but today Poland too is part of the EU. So there is s precident of once had been enemies becoming close friends.

 

[beijingwalker]

China is not free. Japanese can vote, Chinese can not. If the LDP loses popularity, Japanese can vote for an opposition party. Chinese always stuck with CCP. Japanese can hold silly signs that compare Abe to Hitler or say that Ryukyu belongs to China or protests against the much needed new defense laws. If a Chinese holds a sign that says Taiwan should be independent or that Xi is like Hitler, they get thrown into jail. Japan has an open internet. China has a firewall internet. Japanese Christain crosses remain standing in the air, Chinese ones get removed by cranes protected by lines of crowd control officers.

Which country is free here?

China has independent foreign policy while Japan doesn't, Japan's foreign policy has to be in line with its master, US, even it means that is against Japan's own interest. Japan is very keen to improve relations with Russia but it just can't because US says no, every time US fights any war around the world, Japan has to foot the bill with large amount of money and blindly follows US position on those international issues.

When US and Japan have trade disputes, over the history, it's always Japan having to eat the humble pie in the end, Japan can never confront US like China and other countries did in trade conlicts, US is responsible for Japan's lost decade of economic development.

Everything clearly points that relations between US and Japan is never on equal footing, it's a classic master-slave relations which the latter has to kowtown every time, thus Japan is never a truly independent country, Japanese themselve know it, they are in denial if they pretend they don't.

 

[Suika]

China has independent foreign policy while Japan doesn't, Japan's foreign policy has to be in line with its master, US, even it means that is against Japan's own interest. Japan is very keen to improve relations with Russia but it just can because US says no, every time US fights any war around the world, Japan has to foot the bill with large amount of money and blindly follow US position on those international issues.

When US and Japan have trade disputes, over the history, it's always Japan having to eat the humble pie in the end, Japan can never confront US like China and other countries did in trade conlicts, US is responsible for Japan's lost decade of economic development.

Everything clearly points that relations between US and Japan is never on equal footing, it's a classic master-slave relations which the later has to kowtown every time, thus Japan is never a truly independent country, Japanese themselve know it, they are in denial if they pretend they don't.

You're just repeating what Chinese propaganda sources say. You don't even know the Japanese language.

 

[beijingwalker]

You're just repeating what Chinese propaganda sources say. You don't even know the Japanese language.

I m just repeating the truth and facts, you are welcome to counter them.

You don't even know the Japanese language.

If you are looking for a forum that only those who speak Japanese can make comments , then you came to the wrong one.

 

[zectech]

China. When you obey a country that did this to you:

you are a slave. Your silly little exercise in comparative politics doesn't change that fact.

The Japanese were even baited into the war against Amerikkka.

Roosevelt wanted the war, the Japanese did not. Started out as sanctions and trade war to bait Japanese to attack, and it worked.

China should put neo-nazis racist trump on ignore, and Make everything in China by 2025.

What you do is finish off the Soviets and take oil from the Weakened and Imperialist Dutch. You don't fall for the zionist trap to enslave Japan and their Japanese fighting spirit.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Why a military spat between Japan and South Korea could snowball into crisis
By Joshua Berlinger, CNN
Updated 12:52 AM ET, Sun January 27, 2019

A photograph released by the South Korean Defense Ministry appears to show a Japanese plane as seen on board one of its destroyers, the Dae Joyeong, on Wednesday.

(CNN)Japan and South Korea are engaged in a heated military dispute that analysts say could damage the already tenuous geopolitical situation in northeast Asia if the two sides do not reach a resolution.

The spat began December 20 after an encounter between a Japanese plane, which Tokyo said was collecting intelligence, and a South Korean destroyer, which Seoul said was on a humanitarian mission.

Both sides disagree on what happened next -- the Japanese said the South Koreans targeted their aircraft with missile-targeting radar, while the South Koreans said the Japanese plane was flying dangerously low and that the radar "was not intended to trace any Japanese-controlled aircraft."

The disagreement has quickly escalated, bringing to the fore historical disputes previously on the back-burner and -- in turn -- threatening the region's stability.


"East Asian geopolitics has been shaken loose and is now unsettled," said Van Jackson, a former US Department of Defense official specializing in the Asia-Pacific.

"China is seeking to push out the US, North Korea has pulled a jiujitsu move by using summit diplomacy to solidify its status as a nuclear state even as the ostensible purpose is to denuclearize Pyongyang, and the future of the US in the region is less certain now than any time since the 1970s.

"Amid all this tumult, suppressed animosities are started to crack through the veneer of regional stability."

A marriage of convenience
South Korea and Japan are historical adversaries locked in a marriage of convenience, which makes for a complex partnership. Their relationship is still very much colored by the legacy of imperial Japan's occupation and colonization of the Korean Peninsula in the first half of the 20th century.

This revived tension comes at a terrible time for the United States -- the Trump administration is currently preparing for its second summit with North Korea, while also inching towards a key deadline in trade talks with China.

Shortly after the initial incident, Japan and South Korea held working-level meetings to try to resolve the issue behind closed doors.

It appears to not have worked -- and neither side is buying the other's explanation.
Japan released video of the incident from its perspective on December 28. South Korea released its own video on January 4. Each accused the other of misleading the public and distorting the facts.

Japan has conducted three other flybys over South Korean ships this month -- one last week, one on Tuesday and another Wednesday. Seoul publicly condemned the latest as a "clearly provocative act" against a "partner country."

South Korea's Defense Ministry released this radar photo, which it says shows a Japanese patrol aircraft 7.5 kilometers (4.6 miles) away from the South Korean naval destroyer Dae Joyeong.

Lawmaker Song Young-gil, from South Korea's ruling Democratic Party, has even gone so far as to suggest Seoul pull out of its General Security of Military Information Agreement, a pact allowing the two countries to share sensitive intelligence.

Jonathan Berkshire Miller, an analyst at the Tokyo-based Japan Institute for International Affairs, believes historical enmity contributed to the sudden deterioration of relations.
"The context is key," he said.

Historical adversaries
Despite their historical differences, South Korea and Japan share plenty of surface similarities. They're both vibrant democracies with developed economies. Geopolitically, they are both US allies; they both want a denuclearized North Korea; they both support free trade; and they both view China's rise with trepidation.

But history looms large, and the Japanese occupation and colonization of Korea -- when many Koreans were brutalized, murdered and enslaved -- is still a highly emotional issue that defines their relationship.

South Korea and Japan signed a treaty in 1965 that normalized relations between the two countries and was supposed to settle most of the wartime issues.

But South Korea was a military dictatorship at the time, and many Koreans felt the deal was unfair -- and today are still fighting against it.

The two countries are still locked in heated debate over statues depicting "comfort women" -- Korean women forced into providing sexual services for Japanese soldiers -- and recent decisions by South Korea's Supreme Court allowing citizens to sue Japanese corporations for reparations for forced labor.

Japan contends both issues were settled by the treaty.

Even further, they have been in a heated dispute for more than 50 years over ownership of a group of islands called Dokdo in Korean and Takeshima in Japanese.

Despite all this, military-to-military relations between Japan and South Korea often appeared largely unaffected by the ebbs and flows of political disagreements, said Miller, the analyst at the Japan Institute for International Affairs.

"That was the one area that was kind of quarantined or immunized before," he said. "It wasn't always perfect ... but it was one that they both agreed was for the better good for the both of them."

Alliance maintenance
Japan and South Korea's foreign ministers met on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Wednesday to discuss the issue, but their meeting ended with statements that did not appear to resolve anything.

Not with them at Davos was their shared treaty ally, the Untied States, which typically would help mediate the dispute. President Donald Trump canceled his trip to Davos to deal with the US government shutdown.

Some have accused the White House of not placing enough importance on alliance coordination and management. Former Defense Secretary James Mattis pointed to that as a key disagreement between himself and the President in his resignation letter.

"Our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships," Mattis wrote.

"While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies."

Analysts like Jackson, the former Defense Department official, worry that the current spat is a manifestation of declining US leadership, and will play into the hands of North Korea and China -- two countries that have historically sought to diminish US influence in the region by causing rifts between Washington and its allies.

"What we're seeing lately is a return to history in some sense -- the two countries never fully reconciled when they normalized relations in 1965, and put a lot of conflicts of interest on the back burner in the name of cooperation with the US," Jackson said.

"If something doesn't change, I expect some kind of serious crisis to break out at some point, unfortunately."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/26/asia/south-korea-japan-spat-intl/index.html

Have a feeling that South Korea and Japan will be the ones that go into a armed conflict in E Asia in the near future, not North Korea or US. Their bad blood went back a long time, even back to the first Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592. Admiral Yi Sun Shin who fought Japanese invasion force bravely is regarded as theirnational hero.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_(1592–1598)

These two countries have never fully reconciled after WWII, In the past these 2 countries simply put a lot of issues on the back burner in the name of cooperation with the US. the sentiment of revenge has raised in Korea again in the recent on the back of actions of Japan’s historic revisionism that tries to hide and whitewash their colonial history. A declining influence of US and buildup of Korean military power have changed the balance quite a lot.

That being said, a prolonged war between Korea and Japan remains unlikely due to the fact that the major powers in the region have no desire to see a major war at their doorsteps. They will be pressured to keep the struggle localized and in small scale.

 

[hiseen]

Just Dog biting dog, The host will get involved sooner or later.

 

[beijingwalker]

Have a feeling that South Korea and Japan will be the ones that go into a armed conflict in E Asia in the near future, not North Korea or US. Their bad blood went back a long time, even back to the first Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592. Admiral Yi Sun Shin who fought Japanese invasion force bravely is regarded as theirnational hero.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_(1592–1598)

These two countries have never fully reconciled after WWII, In the past these 2 countries simply put a lot of issues on the back burner in the name of cooperation with the US. the sentiment of revenge has raised in Korea again in the recent on the back of actions of Japan’s historic revisionism that tries to hide and whitewash their colonial history. A declining influence of US and buildup of Korean military power have changed the balance quite a lot.

That being said, a prolonged war between Korea and Japan remains unlikely due to the fact that the major powers in the region have no desire to see a major war at their doorsteps. They will be pressured to keep the struggle localized and in small scale.

Now they fight on the street, god knows what'll happen if they are given guns.

 

[Han Patriot]

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oooooo a japanese wannabe? too much anime and hentai i guess....

China is not free. Japanese can vote, Chinese can not. If the LDP loses popularity, Japanese can vote for an opposition party. Chinese always stuck with CCP. Japanese can hold silly signs that compare Abe to Hitler or say that Ryukyu belongs to China or protests against the much needed new defense laws. If a Chinese holds a sign that says Taiwan should be independent or that Xi is like Hitler, they get thrown into jail. Japan has an open internet. China has a firewall internet. Japanese Christain crosses remain standing in the air, Chinese ones get removed by cranes protected by lines of crowd control officers.

Which country is free here?

I just said we are not 'democratic', we can't vote but our 'authoritarian' government ensures we are free as a country, not a colony of the US. Can you ask US soldiers to leave? . Can you persecute and trial the rapist and killers of your citizens? ARE YOU FREE? YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN AMERICAN DOG!! My country is free and independent, this is CHINA!! Long live the Republic!

 

[Suika]

I m just repeating the truth and facts, you are welcome to counter them.


If you are looking for a forum that only those who speak Japanese can make comments , then you came to the wrong one.

You are just repeating troll behavior

 

[beijingwalker]

oooooo a japanese wannabe? too much anime and hentai i guess....

Is this guy a Japanese or a Japanese wannabe?

 

[Oldman1]

If China and South Korea can get over the issues like THAAD, I'm sure Japan and South Korea can also resolve it without going to war with each other.

 

[beijingwalker]

If China and South Korea can get over the issues like THAAD, I'm sure Japan and South Korea can also resolve it without going to war with each other.

You really don't know Koreans, THAAD is absolutely nothing comparing to their centuries old feud with Japan.