CNN: Why a military spat between Japan and South Korea could snowball into crisis

[Oldman1]

You really don't know Koreans, THAAD is absolutely nothing comparing to their centuries old feud with Japan.

And when has Japan and Korea went to war with each over because of the centuries old feud?

 

[beijingwalker]

And when has Japan and Korea went to war with each over because of the centuries old feud?

Always and lasted for centuries before Japan fell into an US colony and lost it's foreign policy making rights.

 

[Suika]

oooooo a japanese wannabe? too much anime and hentai i guess....


I just said we are not 'democratic', we can't vote but our 'authoritarian' government ensures we are free as a country, not a colony of the US. Can you ask US soldiers to leave? . Can you persecute and trial the rapist and killers of your citizens? ARE YOU FREE? YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN AMERICAN DOG!! My country is free and independent, this is CHINA!! Long live the Republic!

The funny thing about the whole master/slave interpretation is that whenever Japan does a positive move towards China such as Abe visiting in October or when there is a protest against the US okinawa base, then the bots here say "Japan and China are the same" "kick America out" etc. But whenever Japan does something China doesn't like, the bots say "Japan has no sovereignty" "Japan is a slave".

But if Japan was a dog slave.. then Abe's visit to China would also have to be on order of the US. When Japan fosters to leads the CPTPP, then that too would have to be on the orders of the US.

When Japan released the video from the P-1 about when the ROK ship aimed the FC radar at it, the video release would also have to be on the orders of the US.

So there is a very basic formula to this intepretation making.

1- If good for CCP China..
Japan fight US, Japan and China are same.

2- If bad for CCP China..
Japan is slave and dog of US.

3- If inconclusive..
Just assume Japan is slave dog of US.

That's pretty much. This level of thinking can be programmed by a 6 year old.

Why should Japan itself be OK with China taking Taiwan? Why should Japan be OK with Chinese Coast Guard ships intruding Senkaku waters? Why should Japan be OK with the 9 dash line? Or ensuring the survival of the DPRK and have helped it develope its nuclear and missile program? Why should Japan be OK with the country (PRC) doing all these things while having a GDP 3 times large?
Obviously Japan is not OK with these things and rightfully so. Vietnam is not OK with it either. Nor is Australia, or the Philippines, or Taiwan, or the US. That is why US forces are now welcomed in Japan. In the future, Australian forces will be making more visits. As will India, and Vietnam, and the UK even. And Japanese visits to all these countries are also to start or have already started and will increase.

If the PRC wants the US out, then China has to change the terms regarding the 9 dash line, Taiwan, the Senkaku islands, and DPRK. If China does not, then the US will continue to be more than welcomed to the front line together with Japan.

 

[sinait]

Is this guy a Japanese or a Japanese wannabe?

JAPANESE WANNABE

 

[Oldman1]

Always and lasted for centuries before Japan fell into an US colony and lost it's foreign policy making rights.

Well since South Korea and Japan are America's colonies. Then they shouldn't be going to war at each other ever.

 

[beijingwalker]

Well since South Korea and Japan are America's colonies. Then they shouldn't be going to war at each other ever.

Yes, I also guess so, you have to hold their leash tight though, or they'll start biting each other like no tomorrow.

 

[Oldman1]

Yes, I also guess so, you have to hold their leash tight though, or they'll start biting each other like no tomorrow.

Wouldn't matter if leash or none. They won't go to war on this. South Korea wouldn't want to weaken itself against North Korea and Japan against China.

 

[beijingwalker]

Wouldn't matter if leash or none. They won't go to war on this. South Korea wouldn't want to weaken itself against North Korea and Japan against China.

Actually China has better relations with south Korean than south Korea Japan. We always condemn Japan together.

 

[Oldman1]

Actually China has better relations with south Korean than south Korea Japan. We always condemn Japan together.

Yes, especially because of Japan's history during WW2. But thats not enough to go to war over.

 

[Suika]

Actually China has better relations with south Korean than south Korea Japan.

ROK cares about itself more than anything else including any of the surrounding countries. Truth be told, both Japan and ROK are democracies. Whenever ROK does some history related rant, Japan mostly shrugs, overall, only a few Japanese argue back, and some others grumble. ROK shows a nice face to China for two reasons. They want Chinese money and they want China's cooperation regarding DPRK.

So in other words, the cost to ROK themselves for making Japan angry is less than the cost of making China angry. That's really the bottom line.

 

[beijingwalker]

ROK cares about itself more than anything else including any of the surrounding countries. Truth be told, both Japan and ROK are democracies. Whenever ROK does some history related rant, Japan mostly shrugs, overall, only a few Japanese argue back, and some others grumble. ROK shows a nice face to China for two reasons. They want Chinese money and they want China's cooperation regarding DPRK.

So in other words, the cost to ROK themselves for making Japan angry is less than the cost of making China angry. That's really the bottom line.

If you are just a Japanese wannabe, what you say don't represent any Japanese people's thought, where are you originally from?

 

[Suika]

If you are just a Japanese wannabe, what you say don't represent any Japanese people's thought, where are you originally from?

Reported.

 

[beijingwalker]

Reported.

Why? I just asked where you are original from, what's wrong with it? You can ask me no problem, I m from Beijing.

 

[Suika]

Yes, especially because of Japan's history during WW2. But thats not enough to go to war over.

The ROK's education system adotped a very anti-Japan curriculum since the 1960s. It of course can be because of the colonization period which was not long ago since the 1960s, so any level of anti-Japan in the curriculum can still be viewed as reasonable. The result though is a whole population even today educated in a way that puts Japan worse than it was and fails to put Korea's colonization in a 3rd person perspective. So this education basis then gets reinforced because freedom of press and politicians still have to appease it. Or naturally anti-Japanese leftists and DPRK/communism sympathizers get a free ride.

In 1900, when imperialism was rampant throughout the world, Korea still had a literacy rate of about just 10-15%. In the 1860s, Japan recognized what was happening around the world and took the path of modernization. But even with that, in 1860, Japan literacy rate was quite good at around 30%. So Korea really had a long way to go.. the conservative groups in Korea were quite strong and resisted modernizaton efforts. By 1900, both Russia and Japan set their eyes on Korea. Hence the Russo-Japanese war, in which Japan won. Had Japan lost, Korea would have fallen to the Russians.

So how were things as a colony of Japan. Well, for starters, an earlier example was Taiwan, and even today, Taiwan regard the period when of Japan to have been quite good. So how did Korea do? Japan invested lots into infrastructure and education. A new modern style education system was established. Literacy rate would double. But the population of about 10 million in 1900, would also double. So at minimum, the literacy population quadroubled. One really interesting thing that is never admitted was that the Korean language was taught in the schools, which included the beloved hangul script. Hangul was invented by a great Korean king some 500 years prior but it was viewed as lowly by the elites and conservatives at that time and ever since, has never been in regular use, kept on the side and exercised only by very small interests groups. Widespread use of hangul first started thanks to the Japanese during the colony period.

What if Russia got Korea? Ask the Baltics, the Ukraine, or Poland about that..

So what is this whole fuss about comfort women?
First off, the numbers are exagerated. 200,000 is an upper generous estimate that has evolved as the standard. It was quite likely less than half. Other points never reported by the media is that nearly half of the recruiters were Korean. What the media reports is "forced by the Japanese Army". But it was not a case of Japanese soldiers banging on doors and kidnapping women and girls. If such a thing happened, why isn't there any record of Korean men resisting? Surely if as many as 200,000 women and girls were kidnapped, there must at least by one major incident of resistance. But no, nothing. It was a prostitution business and nearly half of the recruiters and brothel owners were Korean themselves. Also, recruitment was achieved through several ways. One was the women geniunely taking the path of prostitution as a way to make money. However others were indeed decived and tricked, thinking they were going to work for something else, like at a factory, but to their horror, it being prostitution. So there was an ugliness that should be known, but the whole story should be known. The whole story is not being reported. A third method of recruitment were the Korean parents selling their daughters. All in all, it was a real mixed bag. One more point that should be made is that this was the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s. So today's standards on women should not be applied when evaluating this history. Today, we call it bad. Great, and Japan has said so too. Japan has issued many apologies and provided compensation money. In 2015, Abe said the comfort women was human trafficing and must not be repeated. That is quite good if I do say so. And many former comfort women have accepted and called an end to the whole "make Japan apologize" campaign. Only some of the few remaining are used as politicizing tools for more extortion or whatever other political purpose.

Why? I just asked where you are original from, what's wrong with it? You can ask me no problem, I m from Beijing.

Quit playing dumb and go ask TaiShang.

 

[Han Patriot]

The funny thing about the whole master/slave interpretation is that whenever Japan does a positive move towards China such as Abe visiting in October or when there is a protest against the US okinawa base, then the bots here say "Japan and China are the same" "kick America out" etc. But whenever Japan does something China doesn't like, the bots say "Japan has no sovereignty" "Japan is a slave".

But if Japan was a dog slave.. then Abe's visit to China would also have to be on order of the US. When Japan fosters to leads the CPTPP, then that too would have to be on the orders of the US.

When Japan released the video from the P-1 about when the ROK ship aimed the FC radar at it, the video release would also have to be on the orders of the US.

So there is a very basic formula to this intepretation making.

1- If good for CCP China..
Japan fight US, Japan and China are same.

2- If bad for CCP China..
Japan is slave and dog of US.

3- If inconclusive..
Just assume Japan is slave dog of US.

That's pretty much. This level of thinking can be programmed by a 6 year old.

Why should Japan itself be OK with China taking Taiwan? Why should Japan be OK with Chinese Coast Guard ships intruding Senkaku waters? Why should Japan be OK with the 9 dash line? Or ensuring the survival of the DPRK and have helped it develope its nuclear and missile program? Why should Japan be OK with the country (PRC) doing all these things while having a GDP 3 times large?
Obviously Japan is not OK with these things and rightfully so. Vietnam is not OK with it either. Nor is Australia, or the Philippines, or Taiwan, or the US. That is why US forces are now welcomed in Japan. In the future, Australian forces will be making more visits. As will India, and Vietnam, and the UK even. And Japanese visits to all these countries are also to start or have already started and will increase.

If the PRC wants the US out, then China has to change the terms regarding the 9 dash line, Taiwan, the Senkaku islands, and DPRK. If China does not, then the US will continue to be more than welcomed to the front line together with Japan.

Chill bhai, don't have to get so defensive. I just asked a very simple question, can you ask US soldiers to leave? . Can you prosecute those US military rapist and killers? . You are not free my friend, you have the facade of democracy, but your country is not free.

Reported.

Whats there to report, the moderator already says you are not Japanese. So if you are not Japanese and you try to represent Japan, doesn't it make you a wannabe?=)

ROK cares about itself more than anything else including any of the surrounding countries. Truth be told, both Japan and ROK are democracies. Whenever ROK does some history related rant, Japan mostly shrugs, overall, only a few Japanese argue back, and some others grumble. ROK shows a nice face to China for two reasons. They want Chinese money and they want China's cooperation regarding DPRK.

So in other words, the cost to ROK themselves for making Japan angry is less than the cost of making China angry. That's really the bottom line.

Truthfully Koreans don't like Chinese, but they HATE JAPANESE. That's one thing which unites us both, our hatred for you. There are around 2.5 million ethnic Koreans who are Chinese citizens, we treat them as equals and as our brothers. They fight under our flag on the borders. Some are so Chinese, they can't even speak Korean.