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[JayAtl]

Joseph Stalin's atheistic regime killed tens of millions of people. Mao's atheistic regime killed tens of millions of people as well. This is just from the last century.
Atheism left them with no reason not to do it and religion gave the evil religious a reason to do it.

Evil is evil, period. However, if all religions were destroyed today, all the holy books burned, then i have no doubt in my mind that this world would burn too.

Stain and Mao did not do so because of any atheism, they would do it period, even if they were religious . That's an old tired meme thrown about them. Their motivation was not about promoting atheism , it was greed for power. Stalin ordered thousands of people executed because he thought they represented a threat to the establishment of communism"

Contrast this with the Inquisition. The atrocities perpetrated were because of a doctrine held by the church, and the thoughts/actions of those deemed to be heretical. Christianity can be blamed in this instance, while in the examples above atheism cannot.

if atheism = I will kill, then surely the daily murders we see today would show that large amount of them or all them where done by atheist. given that world is largely, overwhelmingly religious.... that theory of atheist go about killing people or are susceptible to be killers more..

 

[Rusty]

Stain and Mao did not do so because of any atheism, they would do it period, even if they were religious . That's an old tired meme thrown about them. Their motivation was not about promoting atheism , it was greed for power. Stalin ordered thousands of people executed because he thought they represented a threat to the establishment of communism"



if atheism = I will kill, then surely the daily murders we see today would show that large amount of them or all them where done by atheist. given that world is largely, overwhelmingly religious.... that theory of atheist go about killing people or are susceptible to be killers more..

And people don't kill or cause wars simply because of religion, they would have done it even if they were aithiest.
You people can't seem to understand this aspect. Your brains are locked into "Athiest = good and peaceful, Religion = Bad and warlike"
You are just as dogmatic as any religious person because no amount of evidence of Atheists being evil and religions people being good will change your mind.

 

[JayAtl]

Yeah totally, we all know how great the soviet union turned out.

The Soviets got rid of religion and oppressed the church, which is why they were the most peaceful country on earth and had one the most most peaceful man as their Leader. Stalin never even hurt a fly because there was no religion!

Self righteous atheist are just as annoying as self righteous religious people.

to debate you have to bring me better than Stalin argument. Stalin killed for power and not because he was an atheist or wanted to promote it. There is no connection between his acts and atheism. Local Crimes and murders committed today worldwide are done by 99.999% religious minded or followers of one...

Stalin ordered thousands of people executed because he thought they represented a threat to the establishment of communism"

 

[Rusty]

to debate you have to bring me better than Stalin argument. Stalin killed for power and not because he was an atheist or wanted to promote it. There is no connection between his acts and atheism. Local Crimes and murders committed today worldwide are done by 99.999% religious minded or followers of one...

Stalin ordered thousands of people executed because he thought they represented a threat to the establishment of communism"

alright, tell me a single person who killed only for religion?
Just name one?

Your logic is
Osama bin laden killed thousands of people, he is Muslim ergo Muslims bad
You don't give any consideration to his political ambitions or his life history or his motivations.

Well I simply did the same with Stalin
Stalin killed millions of people, he was an atheist, ergo atheists bad.

You can't blame me for using your own logic

 

[JayAtl]

And people don't kill or cause wars simply because of religion, they would have done it even if they were aithiest.
You people can't seem to understand this aspect. Your brains are locked into "Athiest = good and peaceful, Religion = Bad and warlike"
You are just as dogmatic as any religious person because no amount of evidence of Atheists being evil and religions people being good will change your mind.

Yes people do kill because of religion. You are seeing now and you have seen plenty of times before, I have plenty of examples i.e. Contrast this with the Inquisition. The atrocities perpetrated were because of a doctrine held by the church, and the thoughts/actions of those deemed to be heretical. Christianity can be blamed directly in this instance, while in the examples above atheism cannot.

Same with the ongoing terrorism, it is all based on religion

alright, tell me a single person who killed only for religion?
Just name one?

Your logic is
Osama bin laden killed thousands of people, he is Muslim ergo Muslims bad
You don't give any consideration to his political ambitions or his life history or his motivations.

Well I simply did the same with Stalin
Stalin killed millions of people, he was an atheist, ergo atheists bad.

You can't blame me for using your own logic

are u crazy he, Osama, killed because he wanted to impose his caliphate and Islamic rule on all... he called for it all the time. Everyone of them are not fighting for land, they fighting for a religious belief that all will be converted and need to be converted...

 

[Azazel]

alright, tell me a single person who killed only for religion?
Just name one?

Your logic is
Osama bin laden killed thousands of people, he is Muslim ergo Muslims bad
You don't give any consideration to his political ambitions or his life history or his motivations.

Well I simply did the same with Stalin
Stalin killed millions of people, he was an atheist, ergo atheists bad.

You can't blame me for using your own logic

What are you talking about.The truth is people use religion as a justification for their crimes.This has been going on for centuries.Crusades,Spanish Inquisitions you name it,But name one Athiest who use Atheism to justify his crimes.

 

[Rusty]

Yes people do kill because of religion. You are seeing now and you have seen plenty of times before, I have plenty of examples i.e. Contrast this with the Inquisition. The atrocities perpetrated were because of a doctrine held by the church, and the thoughts/actions of those deemed to be heretical. Christianity can be blamed directly in this instance, while in the examples above atheism cannot.

Same with the ongoing terrorism, it is all based on religion

alright, then by that exact same logic
People kill because of atheism too, and in fact in modern history 2 atheist have killed more people than every religions person in the history of mankind.

Therefore, by your own logic, we need to get rid of atheists since they have cause the most death in the history of mankind.

 

[PteX]

Stain and Mao did not do so because of any atheism, they would do it period, even if they were religious . That's an old tired meme thrown about them. Their motivation was not about promoting atheism , it was greed for power. Stalin ordered thousands of people executed because he thought they represented a threat to the establishment of communism"



if atheism = I will kill, then surely the daily murders we see today would show that large amount of them or all them where done by atheist. given that world is largely, overwhelmingly religious.... that theory of atheist go about killing people or are susceptible to be killers more..

The same principle applies to mass murderers who were atheists like Stalin and Mao, because they thought no judgement would fall upon them by G-d and the evil religious people who did evil in the name of their religion.

The world would not be better off if there were more atheists, no matter how much you'd like to believe that.

 

[Rusty]

What are you talking about.The truth is people use religion as a justification for their crimes.This has been going on for centuries.Crusades,Spanish Inquisitions you name it,But name one Athiest who use Atheism to justify his crimes.

EXACTLY
People use religion as an EXCUSE, they don't do it because of religion.

There is a distinction between those two that many atheist don't seem to understand.

People also use communism, democracy, socialism as excuses to wage war as well.

Remember what Bush said?
"We are waging this war for democracy"

According to atheist logic we must get rid of democracy now b/c it causes wars.

 

[JayAtl]

The same principle applies to mass murderers who were atheists like Stalin and Mao, because they thought no judgement would fall upon them by G-d and the evil religious people who did evil in the name of their religion.

The world would not be better off if there were more atheists, no matter how much you'd like to believe that.

Balooney! you think Assad is not religious or the one from Sudan where 400,00 people died or in Rawanda? Show me a direct evidence that killing was not because greed and power and because atheism directly. This just like you guys can't prove, have no proof of all of your gods actually living other than being told by religious books.

I don't have a problem with religion itself, that can be just yap talk like someone saying we are all a part of the matrix, it's the dogma that is dangerous.

Stalin was in a seminary

 

[PteX]

Balooney! you think Assad is not religious or the one from Sudan were 400,00 people died or in Rawanda? Show me a direct evidence that killing was not because greed and power and because atheism directly. This just like you guys can't prove, have no proof of all of your gods actually living other than being told by religious books.

I don't have a problem with religion itself, that can be just yap talk like someone saying we are all a part of the matrix, it's the dogma that is dangerous.

Atheism means you believe in no G-d so you can't kill for something you don't believe exists...
Atheists committed mass murder because they believed in nothing but power and greed. Religious committed mass murder because of religion.

What is so hard here to understand? Evil lives in man, in every man but good lives in us too. Evil will forever exist as long as men exist. This is the nature of the human species.

 

[Azazel]

Atheism means you believe in no G-d so you can't kill for something you don't believe exists...
Atheists committed mass murder because they believed in nothing but power and greed. Religious committed mass murder because of religion.

What is so hard here to understand? Evil lives in man, in every man but good lives in us too. Evil will forever exist as long as men exist. This is the nature of the human species.

Its not because of Atheism humans crave for power and greed.It the human nature.Nothing can cure it.Not even religion.In fact religion only makes it worse.

 

[JayAtl]

Atheism means you believe in no G-d so you can't kill for something you don't believe exists...
Atheists committed mass murder because they believed in nothing but power and greed. Religious committed mass murder because of religion.

What is so hard here to understand? Evil lives in man, in every man but good lives in us too. Evil will forever exist as long as men exist. This is the nature of the human species.

Again- if that were true , given the world is made up of religious followers, then why do we have majority( 99.99999%) crimes and murders committed by them daily? This stupidity to say because they don't believe in God= they are willy nilly killers. It is antithetical to facts we are seeing in our daily lives. You are more prone to kill as a Jew in Israel because of conscription than I am in the US as an atheist.

 

[Azazel]

EXACTLY
People use religion as an EXCUSE, they don't do it because of religion.

There is a distinction between those two that many atheist don't seem to understand.

People also use communism, democracy, socialism as excuses to wage war as well.

Remember what Bush said?
"We are waging this war for democracy"

According to atheist logic we must get rid of democracy now b/c it causes wars.

No one will use religion as an excuse,if they don't exist.Religions divides people.I bet A world without religions will be a much better place.

 

[JayAtl]

Joseph Stalin was raised to be a Catholic Priest and I remain curious as to why his Christianity is shoved aside in all these arguments. Yes, there is no way to get around the fact that in his early career, Stalin made a vast effort to rid Russia of religion, but that had nothing to do with atheism. It was the only way he knew to seize power of the country.

For generations the entire populace of Russia had been taught that the head of state was supposed to be close to god. At the time in question, the head of the church in Russia was a tyrant. The Russians were already disposed to servility and all Stalin did was exploit these two facts, and place himself in the position of god. Once Stalin was firmly seated in office, he revived the Russian Orthodox Church in order to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. Stalin was part of a council convened to elected a new church Patriarch. Then the Russian theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. Even the Moscow Theological Academy Seminary was re-opened, after being closed since 1918.

So, while Stalin was no peach, he was not exactly what you would call a died-in-the-wool atheist. He was more a secular minded religious opportunist, which is a personal character trait. He did not use atheism to gain control, but religious principles that were modified to fit his own, sick and twisted method of revolution

http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-myth-that-hitler-stalin-and-pol-pot-were-atheists-1

Add up the deaths that were attributed to Hitler, Stalin and Pot. Then round up for good measure. You can safely say that the number is staggering. Probably upwards of fifteen million. However, consider the following conflicts where the only differences between the opposing factions were and are religion:

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
If you add up all of the lives that were lost in the name of one religion or another, you come up with a staggering figure that is in excess of eight-hundred-million. That's eight-hundred-million. An eight, followed by eight zeros. So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious murder wins out.