Clinton visit greeted by two bombs

[Edevelop]

Atheist Alliance International - Welcome!

come join us, your survival depends on it... religion free world is a humane world

Tell your BJP First !

 

[JayAtl]

Tell your BJP First !

YOUR BJP? these low quality posters I tell ya...

yeah, I totally made up that Stalin killed 20 million and Mao killed 45 million, I mean it's not like every credible history site says so

but hey, if I was losing this badly in an argument, I would also start calling my opponents name without giving any counter argument.

where is your credible site that says so... so far you are all talk... ask the chinese here and they refute any such high numbers. there is al ot of guess work going on there. besides it comes back to 800 millions vs what now?

 

[KRAIT]

You didn't give a second to yourself to think about it. The laws or boundaries you are talking are ultimately made by the governments which are composed of the same people. The governments with high powers make their own right or wrong. Since they are the highest authority they can make their own definition of right or wrong. For me I don't think this idea is sustainable.
What I am saying is the defined boundaries of right or wrong should be come from the authority that is the most supreme and to me only God is the right contender for it. Like for example in our current time take drones strikes for instance. For the government who is doing it thinks that eliminating bad people is right for the world even if we kill some innocents along the way. Now to me this idea is unacceptable unsustainable and unjustified . We need to have a fear of boundaries and laws that come from the supreme authority alone in order for our healthy survival.

Sir, its your way of look out and your views about what can allow healthy survival. For me, I think of what my parents taught me, what I think is right and wrong and what I think is justifiable. It depends on an individual what he thinks is the will or fear of God is.

Some say if you do crimes but because of fear of God you visit a holy river or place, you can get rid of sins, then doesn't it mean that you have changed the law according to yourself, what fits you best. What about the person who was the victim of your sin ?

Fear of God is one thing as people often derive ways to somehow bargain with God after committing the sins.

I think this concept of fear of God is nonsense. We should have Love for God, and love for what God has created. Whether its our nature, animal kingdom or human beings. Fear is a negative emotion and that's the reason that instead of increase in peace in the world, our world has now become more dangerous and more evil.

If we teach Love for God, a positive sentiment can change lot of things.

 

[Azazel]

It seems like you know these people better than they know themselves and you are making assumptions and leaps in logic despite the facts.

In case 1 we have a clear statement by Bush who said he was the launching the war because of democracy. But because that doesn't sit well with your logic you are now trying to twist that. but again, facts are fact. He said it and he did it ergo Democracy causes war.

Don't be a Child.Use your brain.How does some one launch a war because of democracy.That is just stupid.Real justification of Iraq invasion is WMD

now case 2
Osama has said many times that the reason he started to target US was because of their support for the Saudi Royal family and the fact that there are american solders in the holy land. He said it and he did it. But this time, because he was a religious person you claim that the only reason he did it was because of religion.

Arguing with you people is like arguing with a Monk who been in his covenant for too long. You can't form coherent and logical argument and insist that what you say is right, why? because you said so.

Osama declared a Jihad against US.I wonder what is the motivation behind that.His hatred of America is because of his religious views.Read Sayyid Qutb views on US and tell me what is the motivation behind his dislike towards US and west.It was always religion.Don't try to deny it.

 

[Rusty]

YOUR BJP? these low quality posters I tell ya...



where is your credible site that says so... so far you are all talk... ask the chinese here and refute any such high numbers

It's okay I don't expect you to be educated enough to know common knowledge.

The Great Terror: A Reassessment: Robert Conquest: 9780195317008: Amazon.com: Books

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' - News - Books - The Independent


Please, don't ask me to prove gravity next, I don't think I can without dropping something heavy on your head

 

[Edevelop]

these low quality posters I tell ya...

What you are saying best describes you. Carry on with post #2 to make you feel better

 

[Rusty]

Don't be a Child.Use your brain.How does some one launch a war because of democracy.That is just stupid.Real justification of Iraq invasion is WMD



Osama declared a Jihad against US.I wonder what is the motivation behind that.His hatred of America is because of his religious views.Read Sayyid Qutb views on US and tell me what is the motivation behind his dislike towards US and west.It was always religion.Don't try to deny it.

you tell me since it's your logic that says so.

And we know the motivations behind his Jihad, hint: read the post again, it's in there.

and this is really getting childish.
I can't continue to argue with you since you present nothing more than a 5 year old's argument.

"I like Ice cream because"
"Religion is the only reason for war Because"

 

[JayAtl]

It's okay I don't expect you to be educated enough to know common knowledge.

The Great Terror: A Reassessment: Robert Conquest: 9780195317008: Amazon.com: Books

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' - News - Books - The Independent


Please, don't ask me to prove gravity next, I don't think I can without dropping something heavy on your head

Those are opinion pieces you linked not credible studies... I know you are not smart enough to understand the difference. There are books on the internet that say Muslims are the worse of things, claiming the worse things about your prophet... does not make it true.

why not ask the Chinese here... they will tell you. Mao also caused deaths because of his great leap forward not because he followed atheism.

Funny part is you worship China! ask us all to be like them and they are largely atheist

Plus finally, since math is not your forte also... I gave you 800 million killed and you gave how many?

 

[Azazel]

you tell me since it's your logic that says so.

And we know the motivations behind his Jihad, hint: read the post again, it's in there.

and this is really getting childish.
I can't continue to argue with you since you present nothing more than a 5 year old's argument.

"I like Ice cream because"
"Religion is the only reason for war Because"

So You agree religion is the reason behind his Jihad??

 

[Azazel]

You didn't give a second to yourself to think about it. The laws or boundaries you are talking are ultimately made by the governments which are composed of the same people. The governments with high powers make their own right or wrong. Since they are the highest authority they can make their own definition of right or wrong. For me I don't think this idea is sustainable.

What I am saying is the defined boundaries of right or wrong should be come from the authority that is the most supreme and to me only God is the right contender for it. Like for example in our current time take drones strikes for instance. For the government who is doing it thinks that eliminating bad people is right for the world even if we kill some innocents along the way. Now to me this idea is unacceptable unsustainable and unjustified . We need to have a fear of boundaries and laws that come from the supreme authority alone in order for our healthy survival.

Defenition of God changes from time to time and people to people.And what makes you believe your version of god is true and others not.And don't give me quotes from your book.

 

[KRAIT]

Don't be a Child.Use your brain.How does some one launch a war because of democracy.That is just stupid.Real justification of Iraq invasion is WMD
Osama declared a Jihad against US.I wonder what is the motivation behind that.His hatred of America is because of his religious views.Read Sayyid Qutb views on US and tell me what is the motivation behind his dislike towards US and west.It was always religion.Don't try to deny it.

WMD was not the real justification. It was an excuse. They went to attack Afghanistan after 9/11 then they used this WMD excuse to invade Iraq and also used the term"Bringing freedom to people of Iraq". The war on Iraq was called Operation Enduring Freedom. The real cause was oil resources of Iraq.

Remember that during Iran-Iraq war, Saddam was using Chemical weapons (cyanide gas) on his own people and on Iranians. Where was this moral compass of P 5. Security Council never took a step against it. Why didn't they wage war against Iraq then to free those Iraqi people from a tyrant like Saddam. Iran was US enemy after Islamic revolution and when they ousted Shah of Iran, so US didn't say a word against Iraq.

US and its allies used this so called bringing freedom to people of Iraq as it wanted to remove Saddam for their personal gain at that time. What freedom Iraqi have now ? After fall of Saddam, millions of people have been killed and Iraq is among top failed states in the world,

Coming on Osama. Al Qaeda, Taliban attacked US because US supported Israel and these terrorist groups supported Palestine. They openly said that they will take revenge of Palestinian people from US as they considered Palestinians as their brothers as they were Muslims too. Now look at the basic fact. It was twisted sense of Al Qaeda that they are fighting for Islam. Islam didn't ask them to blow up women and children, kill innocents. Why should we blame a religion for misdeeds of a person or a group of persons ?

Misinterpretation of religion which results in war shouldn't be concluded as that religion caused the war.

Kindly understand the difference.

 

[KRAIT]

So You agree religion is the reason behind his Jihad??

Misguided and misinterpretation of religion.

 

[Rusty]

Those are opinion pieces you linked not credible studies... I know you are not smart enough to understand the difference. There are books on the internet that say Muslims are the worse of things, claiming the worse things about your prophet... does not make it true.

why not ask the Chinese here... they will tell you. Mao also caused deaths because of his great leap forward not because he followed atheism.

Funny part is you worship China! ask us all to be like them and they are largely atheist

Plus finally, since math is not your forte also... I gave you 800 million killed and you gave how many?

yes opinions, just like how gravity is an opinion

If you are just going to cast aside evidence from official papers and historians as mere "opinions" then what is there to discuss?
It is clear that you are living in some deluded world where every cause of your problem is due to religion.
Ran out of tooth past? Region's fault
Car not starting? Region's fault
Getting owned on a forum? region's fault

And of those 800 million, almost all of them were political in nature.
And again, by this logic the freedom of India was also caused by religion
How? well, because!

so take a break man, your logic is obviously flawed beyond reason and there is no sense in making a fool of yourself anymore.

So You agree religion is the reason behind his Jihad??

yeah totally...... expect for the part where I didn't say that at all

here, this might help

 

[JayAtl]

yes opinions, just like how gravity is an opinion

If you are just going to cast aside evidence from official papers and historians as mere "opinions" then what is there to discuss?
It is clear that you are living in some deluded world where every cause of your problem is due to religion.
Ran out of tooth past? Region's fault
Car not starting? Region's fault
Getting owned on a forum? region's fault

And of those 800 million, almost all of them were political in nature.
And again, by this logic the freedom of India was also caused by religion
How? well, because!

so take a break man, your logic is obviously flawed beyond reason and there is no sense in making a fool of yourself anymore.



yeah totally...... expect for the part where I didn't say that at all

here, this might help

what official papers and historians. Again- The Chinese who you are beholden to here everyday say otherwise and cite many historians too and official stats. and what " most" of what I cited was political in nature and had no basis in religion behind it? show me where in my logic India getting freedom is based on religion...

this warped sense of historical facts is just that. Just because you had a few people who thought they were god themselves and or atheist , does not mea n they killed because of it. They killed because of their own need for power.

no such thing as state-imposed atheism.


Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s

& blasphemy laws

 

[unicorn]

Sir, its your way of look out and your views about what can allow healthy survival. For me, I think of what my parents taught me, what I think is right and wrong and what I think is justifiable. It depends on an individual what he thinks is the will or fear of God is.

Some say if you do crimes but because of fear of God you visit a holy river or place, you can get rid of sins, then doesn't it mean that you have changed the law according to yourself, what fits you best. What about the person who was the victim of your sin ?

Fear of God is one thing as people often derive ways to somehow bargain with God after committing the sins.

I think this concept of fear of God is nonsense. We should have Love for God, and love for what God has created. Whether its our nature, animal kingdom or human beings. Fear is a negative emotion and that's the reason that instead of increase in peace in the world, our world has now become more dangerous and more evil.

If we teach Love for God, a positive sentiment can change lot of things.

What about Fear of loosing of God's love...

same meaning different interpretation. First you are questioning than answering yourself in this circular argument of yours. Accepting and contradicting yourself in the same post.

Never mind.....