Clinton visit greeted by two bombs

[SHAMK9]

your countrys existence depends on religion, if it wasn't for religion no Israeli would be bothered to fight, no American would be bothered to support the chosen people

So does Pakistan my friend

 

[Rusty]

No one will use religion as an excuse,if they don't exist.Religions divides people.I bet A world without religions will be a much better place.

And no one will use Democracy as an excuse if it didn't exists. A world without democracy will be much better.
(again using your own logic)

Actually, let's that this to it's logical end
"no one will fight if Humans don't don't exits, A world without Humans will be a much better place"

this is the silly kind of things people people believe in.
I am not even defending religion, I am just showing you how are no better than them.

 

[Azazel]

And no one will use Democracy as an excuse if it didn't exists. A world without democracy will be much better.
(again using your own logic)

Actually, let's that this to it's logical end
"no one will fight if Humans don't don't exits, A world without Humans will be a much better place"

this is the silly kind of things people people believe in.
I am not even defending religion, I am just showing you how are no better than them.

The real justification of invasion of Iraq was its alleged possession of WMD.Not democracy.Don't make things up.Bush is an idiot.He said a lot of stupid things.Democracy can never be a good justification for a war.But religion can.

 

[unicorn]

Atheism means you believe in no G-d so you can't kill for something you don't believe exists...
Atheists committed mass murder because they believed in nothing but power and greed. Religious committed mass murder because of religion.

What is so hard here to understand? Evil lives in man, in every man but good lives in us too. Evil will forever exist as long as men exist. This is the nature of the human species.

Only the idea of believing in God refrains us from doing bad things. The idea that we will be held accountable one day for our good or bad deeds. Something which atheism does not teach.So there fore believing in God is a necessity for our long survival otherwise we humans will smithereens each other in to pieces.

 

[Rusty]

The real justification of invasion of Iraq was its alleged possession of WMD.Not democracy.Don't make things up.Bush is an idiot.He said a lot of stupid things.Democracy can never be a good justification for a war.But religion can.

lol, it's so cute seeing you trying to justifying your amazingly flawed logic.

So when Bush said he was laughing a war for democracy, he wasn't really launching a war for democracy?.....so why did he say it? It seems to me like he was using democracy as an excuse for war. And he may be an idiot, but he was the one who launched the war.
You cannot hide from these facts. You cannot hide from the fact that 2 Atheists alone killed more people than all religious people combined. You cannot hide from the fact that Democracy was used to start wars.

Now back to your original silly logic, we should get rid of democracy and humans as both those cause wars.

 

[KRAIT]

Only the idea of believing in God refrains us from doing bad things. The idea that we will be held accountable one day for our good or bad deeds. Something which atheism does not teach.So there fore believing in God is a necessity for our long survival otherwise we humans will smithereens each other in to pieces.

I thought fear of law and punishment, security forces and basic morality installed by parents to do no harm to anyone were also the major factors that keep us from committing crimes.

If an athiest who doesn't believe in God, is he more susceptible to commit a crime ?

Sorry sir, I agree fear of God is a major reason for many people, but its not the only reason.

 

[JayAtl]

You cannot hide from these facts. You cannot hide from the fact that 2 Atheists alone killed more people than all religious people combined.

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and where does this stat come from, your ' god given' talent to make things up?

Add up the deaths that were attributed to Hitler, Stalin and Pot. Then round up for good measure. You can safely say that the number is staggering. Probably upwards of fifteen million. However, consider the following conflicts where the only differences between the opposing factions were and are religion:

Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Baha'is, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Croatia, 1991-92
English Civil War, 1642-46
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
If you add up all of the lives that were lost in the name of one religion or another, you come up with a staggering figure that is in excess of eight-hundred-million. That's eight-hundred-million. An eight, followed by eight zeros. So, even if the believers who are uneducated enough to think that Hitler, Stalin and Pot were psychotic mass murderers because they thought these men were atheists, it is horrifically clear that religious murder wins out.

 

[dollarman]

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.

-Emo Philips

Enough said about religion

 

[Rusty]

and where does this stat come from, your ' god given' talent to make things up?

Most of those listed (if not all) were political in nature
So you cannot say were caused by religion any more than saying Democracy caused the wars in modern times.

And Stalin killed about 20 million people, and Mao killed about 45 million, that is 65 million all together, that is 5 million more than WW2, which had the most human casualties in all previous wars combined.
See, that is good logic
not "Osama was muslim, he killed people, there for Religion is bad"

 

[Azazel]

lol, it's so cute seeing you trying to justifying your amazingly flawed logic.

So when Bush said he was laughing a war for democracy, he wasn't really launching a war for democracy?.....so why did he say it? It seems to me like he was using democracy as an excuse for war. And he may be an idiot, but he was the one who launched the war.
You cannot hide from these facts. You cannot hide from the fact that 2 Atheists alone killed more people than all religious people combined. You cannot hide from the fact that Democracy was used to start wars.

Now back to your original silly logic, we should get rid of democracy and humans as both those cause wars.

Bush said a lot of dumb things.Like "They misunderestimated me." or "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully..That was just another stupid quote from Bush.Democracy can never be a good excuse for a military invasion.

And of the 2 people you stated,Hitler wasn't an Athiest and both Hitler and Stalin both didn't kill people for the sake of Atheism.

 

[KRAIT]

Most of those listed (if not all) were political in nature
So you cannot say were caused by religion any more than saying Democracy caused the wars in modern times.
And Stalin killed about 20 million people, and Mao killed about 45 million, that is 65 million all together, that is 5 million more than WW2, which had the most human casualties in all previous wars combined.
See, that is good logic
not "Osama was muslim, he killed people, there for Religion is bad"

Religion don't cause war. Its the man who make religion as a cause of war.

Most of the time its misinterpretation of religion. No religion preaches violence. Its all man made excuses to commit crimes for personal gains using religion as excuse and sometimes a twisted sense of their duty towards a religion, which the religion didn't ask for at first place.

 

[JayAtl]

Most of those listed (if not all) were political in nature
So you cannot say were caused by religion any more than saying Democracy caused the wars in modern times.

And Stalin killed about 20 million people, and Mao killed about 45 million, that is 65 million all together, that is 5 million more than WW2, which had the most human casualties in all previous wars combined.
See, that is good logic
not "Osama was muslim, he killed people, there for Religion is bad"

more " god given" stats and made up stuff. not surprising you don't have anything back up your claims. Just like you have in the past claimed hundreds thousand who died in Iraq let alone state Americans did it.

 

[Rusty]

Bush said a lot of dumb things.Like "They misunderestimated me." or "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully..That was just another stupid quote from Bush.Democracy can never be a good excuse for a military invasion.

And of the 2 people you stated,Hitler wasn't an Athiest and both Hitler and Stalin both didn't kill people for the sake of Atheism.

It seems like you know these people better than they know themselves and you are making assumptions and leaps in logic despite the facts.

In case 1 we have a clear statement by Bush who said he was the launching the war because of democracy. But because that doesn't sit well with your logic you are now trying to twist that. but again, facts are fact. He said it and he did it ergo Democracy causes war.

now case 2
Osama has said many times that the reason he started to target US was because of their support for the Saudi Royal family and the fact that there are american solders in the holy land. He said it and he did it. But this time, because he was a religious person you claim that the only reason he did it was because of religion.

Arguing with you people is like arguing with a Monk who been in his covenant for too long. You can't form coherent and logical argument and insist that what you say is right, why? because you said so.

Religion don't cause war. Its the man who make religion as a cause of war.

Most of the time its misinterpretation of religion. No religion preaches violence. Its all man made excuses to commit crimes for personal gains using religion as excuse and sometimes a twisted sense of their duty towards a religion, which the religion didn't ask for at first place.

I agree with that 100%
My whole point is that it is infantile logic to think that by getting rid of just one thing humans can live in Nirvana.
This is simply not true, life is not a Bollywood movie where everything turns out happy at the end.

The fact remains that bad people can use anything to cause wars and kills, they can use religion, democracy, communism, socialism, etc.
And the solution to this is not by mindlessly murdering the one faction you think is the cause of it but rather education and critical thinking.

 

[Rusty]

more " god given" stats and made up stuff. not surprising you don't have anything back up your claims. Just like you have in the past claimed hundreds thousand who died in Iraq let alone state Americans did it.

yeah, I totally made up that Stalin killed 20 million and Mao killed 45 million, I mean it's not like every credible history site says so

but hey, if I was losing this badly in an argument, I would also start calling my opponents name without giving any counter argument.

 

[unicorn]

I thought fear of law and punishment, security forces and basic morality installed by parents to do no harm to anyone were also the major factors that keep us from committing crimes.

If an athiest who doesn't believe in God, is he more susceptible to commit a crime ?

Sorry sir, I agree fear of God is a major reason for many people, but its not the only reason.

You didn't give a second to yourself to think about it. The laws or boundaries you are talking are ultimately made by the governments which are composed of the same people. The governments with high powers make their own right or wrong. Since they are the highest authority they can make their own definition of right or wrong. For me I don't think this idea is sustainable.

What I am saying is the defined boundaries of right or wrong should be come from the authority that is the most supreme and to me only God is the right contender for it. Like for example in our current time take drones strikes for instance. For the government who is doing it thinks that eliminating bad people is right for the world even if we kill some innocents along the way. Now to me this idea is unacceptable unsustainable and unjustified . We need to have a fear of boundaries and laws that come from the supreme authority alone in order for our healthy survival.