Clinton raps Vietnam on rights, sees limits to ties

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

In other words, you got nothing. This is exactly what I predicted prior to her visit. She gave you some empty words.

I see nothing of substance. No military aid. No announcements of military hardware sales. Basically Vietnam got zip from a military standpoint.

Did you guys even get any non-military aid?

Yes, VN is not a U.S. ally so not have any aid from the U.S..
Frankly, we do not expect American aid because it contains things not desired.
As i know, the two countries signed some of documents such as GE's investment, the two countries seek mutual investment, commitment agreement TPP negotiations ended this last year, talking about education and training, ...
This will be clear when the joint statement between the two countries.

 

[Rechoice]

In other words, you got nothing. This is exactly what I predicted prior to her visit. She gave you some empty words.

I see nothing of substance. No military aid. No announcements of military hardware sales. Basically Vietnam got zip from a military standpoint.

Did you guys even get any non-military aid?

every things will come in time, don't hurry up, step by step he he,.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In other words, you got nothing. This is exactly what I predicted prior to her visit. She gave you some empty words.

I see nothing of substance. No military aid. No announcements of military hardware sales. Basically Vietnam got zip from a military standpoint.

Did you guys even get any non-military aid?

The only gift that Obama and Clinton will offer to the Vietcong is a color revolution, then the new puppet government can provide the bank savings of those Viets as a tribute to their US master.

 

[Martian2]

Okay, so you guys received no military aid and no non-military aid.

Clinton got a photo opportunity out of her trip and you guys didn't get a single dollar.

I take back my statement that Vietnam is in a similar position to Georgia.

My new view is that Vietnam isn't really even on the U.S. radar. Georgia is like 100 times more important to the U.S. than Vietnam. The U.S. gave Georgia $1,000,000,000 dollars. You Vietnamese got $0.

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Billion Dollar Pledge | USAID/Georgia

"Billion Dollar Pledge
Last Updated: 02-22-2011

Transition Assistance to Georgia

Following Georgia's conflict with Russia in August 2008, the U.S. Government immediately responded to the emergency needs of conflict-affected populations and provided economic support to Georgia.

An international donors' conference for Georgia was held in Brussels on October 22, 2008. During the conference, the U.S. Government joined with leaders from the international community and multilateral organizations to affirm support for Georgia in the wake of the conflict. Former Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and Former U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Henrietta Fore formally pledged $1 billion in U.S. assistance to support Georgia's economic recovery. Other international donors followed the U.S. lead and pledged $4.55 billion against the World Bank-led needs assessment target of $3.2 billion (Ministry of Finance).

The United States' $1 billion assistance package will help internally displaced persons, rebuild infrastructure, restore economic growth, sustain investor confidence in the Georgian economy, and foster continued democratic reform and energy security (Remarks by Henrietta H. Fore, Former Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and Former USAID Administrator at the United States Mission to the European Union on USAID/Georgia website).

USAID is one of the several USG agencies implementing this plan. As of January 2009, USAID has provided $250 million in budget support, over 40 million in humanitarian assistance, and is currently identifying further support.

U.S. Government's $1 billion pledge:

The sudden and unplanned increase in government expenditures caused by the conflict created a need for budgetary support to the Georgian government. While in Brussels, Director Fore signed an agreement with Georgian Finance Minister Nikoloz Gilauri to provide $250 million in such support to the Georgian government. The $250 million grant funds Georgia's budget expenditures to cover state pensions, state compensation and state academic stipends ($163.3 million), health care costs for people living below the poverty line ($26.1 million), allowances to individuals displaced by the conflict in Abkhazia ($6.1 million), financial support to schools through a voucher system on a per-student basis ($24.2 million), and compensation and salaries for government employees of all ministries excluding the Ministry of Defense and Ministry of Interior ($30.3 million).
(Cash Transfer Grant Agreement - PDF, 390KB)
(Cash Transfer Grant Agreement Implementation Letters - ZIP, 6.9MB)

The U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) provided $176 million for financing seven new projects in Georgia, which will inject much-needed capital into the fledgling democracy's banking, construction and manufacturing sectors.

The Millennium Challenge Corporation provided an additional $100 million grant. The additional funding will focus on Georgia's road network, infrastructure development and energy activities.

$61.7 million was used for various humanitarian assistance activities, including airlifts of emergency relief supplies, managed by the Office of U.S. Foreign Disaster Assistance (OFDA) and other U.S. Agencies.

$50 million assistance will help people most directly affected by the conflict through the winter season. Assistance will be used for winter food; registration of IDP property; winter crops; livestock maintenance; community grants and school rehabilitation; vocational education; police support; disposal of unexploded ordinance; and provision of non-food winter supplies and direct improvements to winterize IDP shelters. (USAID News)

$53.3 assistance package, announced May 21, 2009, will be used to provide programming for conflict-related priority sectors including: good governance, civic participation, election and media reform; energy infrastructure and economic growth; health, education, and social services; border security, counter-terrorism and law enforcement reform; and humanitarian assistance. (U.S. Government Announces Release of $53.3 million Assistance to Georgia)

The U.S. Embassy announced the release of $50 million of assistance on October 8, 2009. The funds will be used for: school rehabilitation, reintegration assistance for recent internally displaced persons, municipal infrastructure development programs, Shida Kartli region recovery, employment and vocational training; survey and clearance of landmines and explosive remnants of war, and funding for the Georgian Coast Guard (U.S. Government Announces $50 million of Assistance to Georgia)

On February 5, 2010, Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg visited Georgia. During his visit the Deputy Secretary announced the release of $242 million to assist the people of Georgia. The provision of these funds marks the fulfillment of the $1 billion pledge to assist Georgia following the August 2008 conflict.
(Completion of the $1 billion pledge)
(U.S. ASSISTANCE TO GEORGIA - $242 Million - FY 2009 Supplemental Funding)

During the past 17 years, the American people, through USAID, have invested about $1,5 billion in Georgia. USAID projects are designed to support Georgia's transition to a free and prosperous democracy. They include initiatives to quicken economic growth, develop democratic institutions, and improve health and education."

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Okay, so you guys receive no military aid and no non-military aid.

Clinton got a photo opportunity out of her trip and you guys didn't get a single dollar.

I take back my statement that Vietnam is in a similar position to Georgia.

My new view is that Vietnam isn't really even on the U.S. radar. Georgia is like 100 times more important to the U.S. than Vietnam. The U.S. gave Georgia $1,000,000,000 dollars. You Vietnamese got $0.

Reference: Billion Dollar Pledge | USAID/Georgia

Because US knows that Saakashvili is willing to follow them as a 100% puppet, while those backstabbing Vietcongs only want to use US as a balance to contain against China.

So why offer those cunning Vietcongs the help? They will rather overthrow them by setting down with their own puppet government like the former South Vietnam.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Okay, so you guys received no military aid and no non-military aid.

Clinton got a photo opportunity out of her trip and you guys didn't get a single dollar.

I take back my statement that Vietnam is in a similar position to Georgia.

My new view is that Vietnam isn't really even on the U.S. radar. Georgia is like 100 times more important to the U.S. than Vietnam. The U.S. gave Georgia $1,000,000,000 dollars. You Vietnamese got $0.

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Billion Dollar Pledge | USAID/Georgia

"Billion Dollar Pledge
Last Updated: 02-22-2011

Transition Assistance to Georgia

Following Georgia's conflict with Russia in August 2008, the U.S. Government immediately responded to the emergency needs of conflict-affected populations and provided economic support to Georgia.

An international donors' conference for Georgia was held in Brussels on October 22, 2008. During the conference, the U.S. Government joined with leaders from the international community and multilateral organizations to affirm support for Georgia in the wake of the conflict. Former Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and Former U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Henrietta Fore formally pledged $1 billion in U.S. assistance to support Georgia's economic recovery. Other international donors followed the U.S. lead and pledged $4.55 billion against the World Bank-led needs assessment target of $3.2 billion (Ministry of Finance).

The United States' $1 billion assistance package will help internally displaced persons, rebuild infrastructure, restore economic growth, sustain investor confidence in the Georgian economy, and foster continued democratic reform and energy security (Remarks by Henrietta H. Fore, Former Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and Former USAID Administrator at the United States Mission to the European Union on USAID/Georgia website).

USAID is one of the several USG agencies implementing this plan. As of January 2009, USAID has provided $250 million in budget support, over 40 million in humanitarian assistance, and is currently identifying further support.

U.S. Government's $1 billion pledge:

The sudden and unplanned increase in government expenditures caused by the conflict created a need for budgetary support to the Georgian government. While in Brussels, Director Fore signed an agreement with Georgian Finance Minister Nikoloz Gilauri to provide $250 million in such support to the Georgian government. The $250 million grant funds Georgia's budget expenditures to cover state pensions, state compensation and state academic stipends ($163.3 million), health care costs for people living below the poverty line ($26.1 million), allowances to individuals displaced by the conflict in Abkhazia ($6.1 million), financial support to schools through a voucher system on a per-student basis ($24.2 million), and compensation and salaries for government employees of all ministries excluding the Ministry of Defense and Ministry of Interior ($30.3 million).
(Cash Transfer Grant Agreement - PDF, 390KB)
(Cash Transfer Grant Agreement Implementation Letters - ZIP, 6.9MB)

The U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) provided $176 million for financing seven new projects in Georgia, which will inject much-needed capital into the fledgling democracy's banking, construction and manufacturing sectors.

The Millennium Challenge Corporation provided an additional $100 million grant. The additional funding will focus on Georgia's road network, infrastructure development and energy activities.

$61.7 million was used for various humanitarian assistance activities, including airlifts of emergency relief supplies, managed by the Office of U.S. Foreign Disaster Assistance (OFDA) and other U.S. Agencies.

$50 million assistance will help people most directly affected by the conflict through the winter season. Assistance will be used for winter food; registration of IDP property; winter crops; livestock maintenance; community grants and school rehabilitation; vocational education; police support; disposal of unexploded ordinance; and provision of non-food winter supplies and direct improvements to winterize IDP shelters. (USAID News)

$53.3 assistance package, announced May 21, 2009, will be used to provide programming for conflict-related priority sectors including: good governance, civic participation, election and media reform; energy infrastructure and economic growth; health, education, and social services; border security, counter-terrorism and law enforcement reform; and humanitarian assistance. (U.S. Government Announces Release of $53.3 million Assistance to Georgia)

The U.S. Embassy announced the release of $50 million of assistance on October 8, 2009. The funds will be used for: school rehabilitation, reintegration assistance for recent internally displaced persons, municipal infrastructure development programs, Shida Kartli region recovery, employment and vocational training; survey and clearance of landmines and explosive remnants of war, and funding for the Georgian Coast Guard (U.S. Government Announces $50 million of Assistance to Georgia)

On February 5, 2010, Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg visited Georgia. During his visit the Deputy Secretary announced the release of $242 million to assist the people of Georgia. The provision of these funds marks the fulfillment of the $1 billion pledge to assist Georgia following the August 2008 conflict.
(Completion of the $1 billion pledge)
(U.S. ASSISTANCE TO GEORGIA - $242 Million - FY 2009 Supplemental Funding)

During the past 17 years, the American people, through USAID, have invested about $1,5 billion in Georgia. USAID projects are designed to support Georgia's transition to a free and prosperous democracy. They include initiatives to quicken economic growth, develop democratic institutions, and improve health and education."

VN does not need dollars of U.S. aid. Instead, we need the cooperation in economy, trade, investment... on the basis of mutual benefit, and long-term sustainability.

I do not know how important VN compared to Georgia, that's not important to us.
But you will receive a deadly mistake if you think that Vietnamese is the same same as Georgians.

 

[Martian2]

VN does not need dollars of U.S. aid. Instead, we need the cooperation in economy, trade, investment... on the basis of mutual benefit, and long-term sustainability.

I do not know how important VN compared to Georgia, that's not important to us.
But you will receive a deadly mistake if you think that Vietnamese is the same same as Georgian.

I though Clinton might at least give you a crappy 50-year-old World War II coast guard cutter. You didn't even get that. The trip was a waste. Nothing happened of military significance.

I hope you Vietnamese enjoy going eyeball-to-eyeball with the PLA. I use money as a gauge to judge American interest in an issue (e.g. look at the billions flowing to Israel). To me, the U.S. doesn't seem interested at all in your border dispute with China.

The U.S. takes a few cheap shots at China verbally, but nothing is happening on the ground. No aid money or military equipment is exchanging hands. I say you Vietnamese are out of luck.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

VN does not need dollars of U.S. aid. Instead, we need the cooperation in economy, trade, investment... on the basis of mutual benefit, and long-term sustainability.

Good, then sell them more cheap coconuts which you guys have the most.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

I though Clinton might at least give you a crappy 50-year-old World War II coast guard cutter. You didn't even get that. The trip was a waste. Nothing happened of military significance.

I hope you Vietnamese enjoy going eyeball-to-eyeball with the PLA. I use money as a gauge to judge American interest in an issue (e.g. look at the billions flowing to Israel). To me, the U.S. doesn't seem interested at all in your border dispute with China.

The U.S. takes a few cheap shots at China verbally, but nothing is happening on the ground. No aid money or military equipment is exchanging hands. I say you Vietnamese are out of luck.

As I said, we dont expect too much at the US. A wider-open U.S market for Vietnamese goods is what we expect the most.
The US still keeps an arms embargo against Vietnam. So the relationship between the two countries is not entirely normal.
On military equipment, the Russian toys are too enough for us. We have used it a familiar way for years.
Note that the U.S presence is everywhere, not just in Vietnam, so stop saying that we pull her.

 

[Martian2]

VN does not need dollars of U.S. aid. Instead, we need the cooperation in economy, trade, investment... on the basis of mutual benefit, and long-term sustainability.

My point is none of those items you mentioned helps Vietnam in its current stare-down with China.

I'm sure you guys are disappointed. Not even a patrol boat in military aid!

All that mumbo jumbo on your list is standard practice whenever Clinton visits any country. No one cares about those empty platitudes. We want to see some real commitment. You guys didn't even get an iota of help.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

My point is none of those items you mentioned helps Vietnam in its current stare-down with China.

I'm sure you guys are disappointed. Not even a patrol boat in military aid!

All that mumbo jumbo on your list is standard practice whenever Clinton visits any country. No one cares about those empty platitudes. We want to see some real commitment. You guys didn't even get an iota of help.

disappointed? It is too important to you like that?
Why do we need U.S aid while the COC is being considered signed between ASEAN and China, and Uncle Sam always says that she resists any action to use of force?

 

[Martian2]

Why do we need U.S aid while the COC is being considered signed between ASEAN and China, and Uncle Sam always says that she resists any action to use of force?

1. China won't sign a COC (code of conduct) that infringes on Chinese sovereignty. You should already know this.

2. Uncle Sam says force should not be used all the time, even when Russian tanks were rolling into Georgia. By the way, try not to laugh too hard when you realize the disparity between what Uncle Sam says and the U.S. wars-of-choice in Iraq and Libya.

3. What is the Vietnamese back up plan in confronting China? The U.S. doesn't seem even remotely interested. What are you guys going to do when the PLA Navy starts shooting?

We know the PLA is running combat patrols. It's only a matter of time before they shoot down one of your planes trespassing on Chinese sovereign territory.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

1. China won't sign a COC (code of conduct) that infringes on Chinese sovereignty. You should already know this.

2. Uncle Sam says force should not be used all the time, even when Russian tanks were rolling into Georgia. By the way, try not to laugh too hard when you realize the disparity between what Uncle Sam says and the U.S. wars-of-choice in Iraq and Libya.

3. What is the Vietnamese back up plan in confronting China? The U.S. doesn't seem even remotely interested. What are you guys going to do when the PLA Navy starts shooting?

We know the PLA is running combat patrols. It's only a matter of time before they shoot down one of your planes trespassing on Chinese sovereign territory.

Really? so why you jumping up and down continuously everytime when Uncle Sam to visit Vietnam?

 

[EastSea]

1. China won't sign a COC (code of conduct) that infringes on Chinese sovereignty. You should already know this.

2. Uncle Sam says force should not be used all the time, even when Russian tanks were rolling into Georgia. By the way, try not to laugh too hard when you realize the disparity between what Uncle Sam says and the U.S. wars-of-choice in Iraq and Libya.

3. What is the Vietnamese back up plan in confronting China? U.S. doesn't seem even remotely interested. What are you guys going to do when the PLA Navy starts shooting?

We know the PLA is running combat patrols. It's only a matter of time before they shoot down one of your planes trespassing on Chinese sovereign territory.

You have to post more photos to show how strong PLA is.

 

[Martian2]

Okay, you guys don't have a back up plan.

All along, you were hoping Uncle Sam would fight China for you. This is a very foolish view. The U.S. talks a lot, but never does anything. By the way, even Uncle Sam couldn't protect your country from a 1,000,000 strong PLA Army streaming across the border and headed for Hanoi.

I hope you guys like praying. Short of divine intervention, the PLA is going to step on your little country.