Clinton raps Vietnam on rights, sees limits to ties

[ChineseTiger1986]

And what this all have to do with Mao's view of Marxism? He would never allow any "capitalistic methods". According to him USSR under Khrushev was not Marxist state. So he ruined relations with USSR because of some silly ideas. And then you themselves adopted capitalism which he fought against.

Khrushev was running the revisionism (pseudo-Marxism), and USSR was acting like an imperialist state under the name of communism.

Remember you have interfered the sovereignty of another nation.

Hungarian Revolution of 1956 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have also attacked another nation.

Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And what is revisionism?

Revisionism (Marxism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rechoice]

I have reputable citations on Indian atrocities in Kashmir. You don't have any, except your unsubstantiated anti-China rhetoric.



Things may actually get worse for Vietnam if the CCP was replaced. The CCP has been very level-headed and measured in their foreign policy. If you place a KMT-type of government in China, the populist pressure may force an annexation of North Vietnam.

My point is the form of government will not affect Chinese nationalism. Chinese take a dim view of peanut countries like Vietnam trying to steal our 2,000-year-old South China Sea islands.

I wonder about true chinese communists, bro. KMT is fighting in Taiwan for his existence again Ren_Jian tang.
From 2,000 years Chinese recognized there is Jiaozhi sea, belong to Jiaozhi people. Today the owner of East Sea is Viet.

 

[Martian2]

I wonder about true chinese communists, bro. KMT is fighting in Taiwan for his existence again MinJian tang.
From 2,000 years Chinese recognized there is Jiaozhi sea, belong to Jiaozhi people. Today the owner of East Sea is Viet.

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Without a reputable citation, no one cares about your propaganda.

I gave a citation that China discovered the South China Sea during the Han Dynasty. I haven't seen you post a single reputable citation to back up your frivolous claims.

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At Jbond197, why are you complaining about the progressive reforms in China? Your citations show China is making excellent progress. Can you make the same claim about widespread Indian atrocities in Kashmir?

 

[ahfatzia]

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Without a reputable citation, no one cares about your propaganda.

I gave a citation that China discovered the South China Sea during the Han Dynasty. I haven't seen you post a single reputable citation to back up your frivolous claims.

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At Jbond197, why are you complaining about the progressive reforms in China? Your citations show China is making excellent progress. Can you make the same claim about widespread Indian atrocities in Kashmir?

LOL you really don't want the Viet boys here to bring in their citations, do you now? They will bombard you you with all kind unintelligible or altered maps or some kind of phony documents. And they also argue with the same arguments and repeat them all day long the same manner for all of them. Sometimes I wonder are they cloned by their government,since they sound identical. LOL

 

[jbond197]

At Jbond197, why are you complaining about the progressive reforms in China? Your citations show China is making excellent progress. Can you make the same claim about widespread Indian atrocities in Kashmir?

The act is widespread as of today in China and the links I posted are indirect admission from horse's own mouth.. About Kashmir it's peaceful today even with all the separatists/dissidents residing in Kashmir India and freely traveling across India.. In a recent incident, while trying to incite local people a separatist face was blackened by the people on the street.. People themselves are taking care of those idiots.. Such a thing can not be imagined in mighty China..

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Without a reputable citation, no one cares about your propaganda.

I gave a citation that China discovered the South China Sea during the Han Dynasty. I haven't seen you post a single reputable citation to back up your frivolous claims.

I just ask you 2 questions, WHERE were the chinese in the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands before 1946?
And WHERE were communist chinese in the two islands before 1974 and 1988?
lol on chinese!

 

[Martian2]

The act is widespread as of today in China and the links I posted are indirect admission from horse's own mouth.. About Kashmir it's peaceful today even with all the separatists/dissidents residing in Kashmir India and freely traveling across India.. In a recent incident, while trying to incite local people a separatist face was blackened by the people on the street.. People themselves are taking care of those idiots.. Such a thing can not be imagined in mighty China..

Boy, you're really laying it on thick with the propaganda. Indian-occupied Kashmir has over half a million Indian troops and security personnel. You're claiming it's peaceful?

India's occupation of Kashmir is worse than the Jewish occupation of Palestine. You Indians have killed about 38,000 Kashmiris so far.

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http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/SITHUMAN.htm

"The Crimes of the Indian occupation forces, numbering more than half a million, ... Since October 1989, some 38000 Kashmiris have been killed by the Indian occupation forces..."

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Some analysts have suggested that the number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600000 although estimates vary and the Indian government ..."

 

[jbond197]

Boy, you're really laying it on thick with the propaganda. Indian-occupied Kashmir has over half a million Indian troops and security personnel. You're claiming it's peaceful?

India's occupation of Kashmir is worse than the Jewish occupation of Palestine. You Indians have killed about 38,000 Kashmiris so far.

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http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/misc/SITHUMAN.htm

"The Crimes of the Indian occupation forces, numbering more than half a million, ... Since October 1989, some 38000 Kashmiris have been killed by the Indian occupation forces..."

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Some analysts have suggested that the number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600000 although estimates vary and the Indian government ..."

Look at your sources and who are those unnamed analysts??

Let me tell you something 1989 is the year when after Afghan war terrorists were pushed into Kashmir and they killed thousands of Kashmiris including Kashmiri Pandits..

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

LOL you really don't want the Viet boys here to bring in their citations, do you now? They will bombard you you with all kind unintelligible or altered maps or some kind of phony documents. And they also argue with the same arguments and repeat them all day long the same manner for all of them. Sometimes I wonder are they cloned by their government,since they sound identical. LOL

Why do you say that our ancient maps are fake?
We have sufficient evidence to prove that Vietnamese feudal state has controlled over both the Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands for hundreds of years ago. We are ready to present such evidence at the UN court if requested.

The Chinese only went to the islands the first time in 1946 after Japan withdrew because it had surrendered to the Allies.

Earlier, in 1939 Japan invaded the islands from Vietnam, not China.
If you do not know anything about these issues, please silence instead of stuttering. Can you?

 

[Rechoice]

It doesn't matter how many times you say it. Without a reputable citation, no one cares about your propaganda.

I gave a citation that China discovered the South China Sea during the Han Dynasty. I haven't seen you post a single reputable citation to back up your frivolous claims.

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At Jbond197, why are you complaining about the progressive reforms in China? Your citations show China is making excellent progress. Can you make the same claim about widespread Indian atrocities in Kashmir?

You are liar, china didn't have evidents for the discovery, other than some records very vague to understand where was its. Such records is about "over sea", it related to other countries, not China. Even discovery is no evident for claim it. In the past westerners dicovered China, it means china belong to them?

LOL you really don't want the Viet boys here to bring in their citations, do you now? They will bombard you you with all kind unintelligible or altered maps or some kind of phony documents. And they also argue with the same arguments and repeat them all day long the same manner for all of them. Sometimes I wonder are they cloned by their government,since they sound identical. LOL

You are chinese in native, stop cheering here. You could agree that Chinese discovered Singapore then it belong to China.

 

[ahfatzia]

Why do you say that our ancient maps are fake?
We have sufficient evidence to prove that Vietnamese feudal state has controlled over both the Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands for hundreds of years ago. We are ready to present such evidence at the UN court if requested.

The Chinese only went to the islands the first time in 1946 after Japan withdrew because it had surrendered to the Allies.

Earlier, in 1939 Japan invaded the islands from Vietnam, not China.
If you do not know anything about these issues, please silence instead of stuttering. Can you?

You said you have sufficient evidences a thousand times already and you have been refuted many times, and yet you keep bringing them the same way. There is nothing new on what you present that we don't know of, so you can save your energy. I do not buy your personal attacks so save that too.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

You said you have sufficient evidences a thousand times already and you have been refuted many times, and yet you keep bringing them the same way. There is nothing new on what you present that we don't know of, so you can save your energy. I do not buy your personal attacks so save that too.

The truth, though is repeated thousands of times it will not change.
Here, Martian2 say that we did not give evidence, while ahfatzia say that our evidences are fake, being modified.
LOL! We dont have the habit of make fake everything as the chinese.

 

[Martian2]

A simple question.

Aside from Clinton lecturing Vietnam, what did you Vietnamese get out of her visit?

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

A simple question.

Aside from Clinton lecturing Vietnam, what did you Vietnamese get out of her visit?

- Strengthen cooperation in all fields, including trade, investment, education, defense, ...
- Strengthen cooperation in addressing the consequences of war as the American MIA search demining, agent orange ...
- Work together in addressing the regional issues ...

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US appreciates Vietnam’s contributions to resolving East Sea issues

(VOV) - Vietnamese Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held talks in Hanoi on July 10 to discuss ways to foster future cooperation.

During the talks, both sides said they are delighted with the development of Vietnam-US relations and expressed their belief that there is huge potential for strengthening cooperation in the future, especially in economics, trade, science, technology, education and training.

They discussed ways to resolve the consequences of war and Ms Clinton said the US will further assist Vietnam to clear unexploded ordnance, detoxify Agent Orange (AO) /Dioxin-contaminated areas, and help AO victims in Vietnam.

Both host and guest agreed to promote cooperation in regional and multilateral forums for mutual benefit and for the sake of peace, security, stability, cooperation in the region and the world.
Regarding maintaining peace, stability, cooperation and maritime safety in the East Sea, they agreed to settle East Sea disputes peacefully in accordance with international law, especially the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea.

At a press briefing after the talks, Ms Clinton said her visit offers a chance for both countries to reaffirm their cooperation for mutual benefit.

She said the US appreciates Vietnam’s contributions to a collaborative, diplomatic resolution of disputes and the reduction of tensions in the East Sea.

She hopes ASEAN and China will make rapid progress toward an effective code of conduct to ensure that, as challenges arise, they can be managed and resolved peacefully.

Ms Clinton spoke highly of Vietnam’s important role in the region, saying that the country has emerged as a leader in the lower Mekong region and in Southeast Asia.

She also highlighted the development of bilateral cooperation between the US and Vietnam, with two-way trade turnover reaching more than US$22 billion in 2011, a 40 percent increase compared to 2010. She said she hopes that the relations between the two countries will continue to be fostered, especially in trade and investment.

** The same day, Secretary of State Clinton was received by Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong and Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung.

http://english.vov.vn/Home/US-appreciates-Vietnams-contributions-to-resolving-East-Sea-issues/20127/139846.vov

 

[Martian2]

- Strengthen cooperation in all fields, including trade, investment, education, defense, ...
- Strengthen cooperation in addressing the consequences of war as the American MIA search demining, agent orange ...
- Work together in addressing the regional issues ...

In other words, you got nothing. This is exactly what I predicted prior to her visit. She gave you some empty words.

I see nothing of substance. No military aid. No announcements of military hardware sales. Basically Vietnam got zip from a military standpoint.

Did you guys even get any non-military aid?