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ALIGARH: A church with a cross in it that belonged to the 7th Day Adventists overnight turned into a temple adorned with a portrait of Shiva after what some Hindu groups in Aligarh termed the "successful ghar wapasi" (reconversion) of 72 Valmikis who had become Christians in 1995.

There was an elaborate shuddhi karan (purification) ceremony on Tuesday inside the church in Asroi, 30km from Aligarh. Children from the village soon took over the premises and were seen playing in it by afternoon on Wednesday. A cross was allegedly remove from the church and placed outside the gate and a portrait of Shiva installed.

Khem Chandra, Sangh pracharak and pramukh of Dharam Jagran Vivad in Aligarh, said, "This is called ghar wapasi, not conversion. They left by choice and today they have realized their mistake and want to come back. We welcome them. We can't let our samaj scatter, we have to hold it tight. I have told them that honour comes from within the community and not from outside." Chandra added that in the years that followed their adoption of Christianity, he met heads of the eight Valmiki families numerous times to convince them to reconsider their decision.

However, as news of the reconversion spread, tension started building up, with sleuths of the Local Intelligence Unit (LIU) converging on the spot. Some villagers told TOI, on condition of anonymity, that the Shiva portrait had been removed and kept inside the house of a local resident. Anil Gaur, one of those who returned to the Hindu fold, said it was because they were unhappy with the caste system that they changed their religion. "But we found ourselves in no better position among Christians," he said. "As Hindus we had no status and were restricted to doing menial jobs, but even after remaining a Christian for 19 years, we saw that no one came to us from their community. There was no celebration of Bada Din (Christmas). The missionaries just built a church for us in the vicinity where some of the villagers got married. That was all."



Seventy-year-old Rajendra Singh said he, too, was happy to reconvert. "While sleeping outside the church one day I suffered a paralytic attack. I found myself unable to move. It happened last year and since then I have been thinking that it may have been Mata Devi's punishment for abandoning my faith," he claimed.

Osmond Charles, a lawyer and community leader in Aligarh, isn't convinced though. "Ghar wapasi sounds like a conspiracy," he said. "Sometimes we hear 'love jihad' and now we have 'ghar wapasi'. Is this the sign of a Hindu Rashtra in the making?"

Father Jonanthan Lal, pastor at City Methodist Church, said, "The 'purification' pooja took place inside the church which belongs to 7th Day Adventists. Such an activity shouldn't have taken place there. Faith is a personal matter but havan inside a church is not."

Meanwhile, there is a sudden, eerie quiet in Asroi. Villagers hurry inside their houses if they are asked about the reconversion and most say they know nothing about it. The presence of cops has added to their anxiety. "Don't ask anything. I don't know what happened," a young man said, turning away swiftly from a TOI team.


Church turned into 'temple' after 72 Valmikis reconvert to Hinduism - The Times of India
 
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Something seems...off about this entire situation.
 
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Something seems...off about this entire situation.
Umm,yeah that's UP for you something is always off out there,though he was right that converted christains are not treated like ,the so called ,real christains,but looks like we have to wait for the clouds to clear before we could know wt all had happend.
 
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This is what happens to minorities in India when people under no force or coercion, democratically elect a Hindu Extremist Narendra Modi as their Prime Minister... the minorities suddenly feel this urge to worship pink elephants.
 
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Was this conversion approved by the Government. Govt approval is required for any conversion in India.
 
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Was this conversion approved by the Government. Govt approval is required for any conversion in India.
What conversion??They merely came back to the faith of their forefathers which they left because of the brainwashing done by the evangelist missionaries.Now they have realized their mistakes and hence reverted back to their own faith.That's all,it's by no mean can this be termed as a conversion.Conversion happens if a person belonging to another faith is converted to a different faith by coercion which is not the case here...:coffee:
 
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Umm,yeah that's UP for you something is always off out there,though he was right that converted christains are not treated like ,the so called ,real christains,but looks like we have to wait for the clouds to clear before we could know wt all had happend.
The lack of reaction of a church being turned into a temple by the church goers seems really odd to me, I guess I expected at least a bit more outrage from the local christian community.
 
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What conversion??They merely came back to the faith of their forefathers which they left because of the brainwashing done by the evangelist missionaries.Now they have realized their mistakes and hence reverted back to their own faith.That's all,it's by no mean can this be termed as a conversion.Conversion happens if a person belonging to another faith is converted to a different faith by coercion which is not the case here...:coffee:
Really?

I converted to atheism, i didn't see any CID squad breaking into my premise.

I am going to go back on my post. India does not have any Federal anti-conversion law, however 5 states do. These are,

 
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Was this conversion approved by the Government. Govt approval is required for any conversion in India.
There is no Govt.Approval required for conversion. Dont spread BS here.
Thgey merely reverted back to their ancestral religion and practices, that is not conversion.

The lack of reaction of a church being turned into a temple by the church goers seems really odd to me, I guess I expected at least a bit more outrage from the local christian community.
you mean like Azad Maidan riots or Saharanpur riots to happen to show outrage?
 
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you mean like Azad Maidan riots or Saharanpur riots to happen to show outrage?
I'm not referring to any sort of riots, nor am I saying that I expected riots. I just expected some sort of protest or political outrage.
 
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I'm not referring to any sort of riots, nor am I saying that I expected riots. I just expected some sort of protest or political outrage.
if there was anything sinister there would have been a big outrage already by congress and other pseudo secular parties.
The reason there is none is because there is no sinister plot involved.
Whats the need to outrage they just merely reverted back to their ancestral religion,thats like coming home,whats so bad about it?
 
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if there was anything sinister there would have been a big outrage already by congress and other pseudo secular parties.
The reason there is none is because there is no sinister plot involved.
Whats the need to outrage they just merely reverted back to their ancestral religion,thats like coming home,whats so bad about it?
I'm not saying this is some sort of sinister conspiracy, what I'm saying is that the local christian population hasn't spoken out yet. They'll have to look for or start another church now, which is why I'm surprised that there isn't some sort of outrage about the conversion of the church. I don't care about the conversion of the people, it's the lack or reaction on the church that surprises me.
 
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I'm not saying this is some sort of sinister conspiracy, what I'm saying is that the local christian population hasn't spoken out yet. They'll have to look for or start another church now, which is why I'm surprised that there isn't some sort of outrage about the conversion of the church. I don't care about the conversion of the people, it's the lack or reaction on the church that surprises me.
It is clear the church just left them, as said in the news, after conversion, the church built one church thats all nothing else.So they were disillusioned and reverted back.The church knows this. The modus operandi of conversions in India,They want to show numbers to get more funds for conversions once they get the money they leave the converts to fend for themselves while they go to a new place to harvest souls.
 
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There is no Govt.Approval required for conversion. Dont spread BS here.
Thgey merely reverted back to their ancestral religion and practices, that is not conversion.


you mean like Azad Maidan riots or Saharanpur riots to happen to show outrage?

GANDHINAGAR: From now on, anyone wishing to convert in Gujrat will have to tell the government why they were doing it and for how long they had been following the religion which they were renouncing, failing which, they will be declared offenders and prosecuted under criminal laws.

Forced conversion could land those responsible a three-year jail term. This clause is contained in the rules of the anti-conversion law which came into effect on April 1.


Conversion law violation is a criminal offence - The Times of India


In the past, several Indian states passed Freedom of Religion Bills

primarily to prevent people from converting to Christianity. Arunachal Pradesh passed a bill in 1978.

In 2003, Gujarat State, passed an anti-conversion bill in 2003.

In July 2006, the Madhya Pradesh government passed legislation requiring people who desire to convert to a different religion to provide the government with one month's notice, or face fines and penalties.[13]

In August 2006, the Chhattisgarh State Assembly passed similar legislation requiring anyone who desires to convert to another religion to give 30 days' notice to, and seek permission from, the district magistrate.[14]

In February 2007, Himachal Pradesh became the first Congress Party-ruled state to adopt legislation banning illegal religious conversions.[15]

The US State Department has claimed that the recent wave of anti-conversion laws in various Indian states passed by some states is seen as gradual increase in the traditional nationalism(Hindutva).[16]

MP govt moves Bill to make anti-conversion law stringent - Indian Express
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_India#cite_note-16
UN Official: India’s ‘Conversion’ Laws Threaten Religious Freedom - India Real Time - WSJ
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/...s-conversion-laws-threaten-religious-freedom/

Freedom of religion in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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