Chinese Leadership's motivation behind latest escalation with India

[nahtanbob]

True but every move will welcome a reaction. China and India had come to a mutual understanding back in 2018 that they would not be adversaries. However, the Trump administration has acted to get India on board as an anti-China ally. It has provided India promises of cooperation, exchanges and setting up India as the replacement for China as a manufacturing hub. Obviously, this is music to Modi's ears and being the opportunist that he is, he has abandoned any good relationship with China to get on the anti-China track. This has already peaked tensions with China. On top of that, in order to prove that he was a useful ally to the US and the West, he started to annoy China at the line of control in Ladakh which has led up to the confrontation today. So I think this latest fight which has unfortunately led to some deaths, is a sign that China is ready to fight and escalate if needed to remind Modi that there are consequences to his anti-China stance.

How is wanting manufacturing jobs in India anti-China move ? At some point Mr Modi has to deliver jobs - anti-Muslim/anti-Pakistani rhetoric goes only so far. For all the moves USA has made towards India, Modi is sitting on the fence - visiting Iran, be chummy with Putin

 

[tower9]

How is wanting manufacturing jobs in India anti-China move ? At some point Mr Modi has to deliver jobs - anti-Muslim/anti-Pakistani rhetoric goes only so far. For all the moves USA has made towards India, Modi is sitting on the fence - visiting Iran, be chummy with Putin

Yes, obviously there is nothing wrong with that. But I think it is the all over anti-China posturing, which is also being stoked and fueled by the Trump administration, which led to Modi miscalculating and provoking China at the border which has led to this.

 

[nahtanbob]

Yes, obviously there is nothing wrong with that. But I think it is the all over anti-China posturing, which is also being stoked and fueled by the Trump administration, which led to Modi miscalculating and provoking China at the border which has led to this.

It is more like China is insecure with Trump and coronavirus messup

 

[tower9]

It is more like China is insecure with Trump and coronavirus messup

China will be lashing out at the US as well if it keeps escalating things. China restrained itself for years and now that it is backed into a corner, it feels there is no longer any incentive for restraint. Of course China will not pursue an actual war with India but it is not afraid to either. Back in 2017, China showed a lot of restraint in Doklam because it wanted to build a partnership with India. But Modi betrayed that mutual understanding and jumped on the Anglo gang to contain China, then started to poke China with a stick at the border to prove to the Anglos that India was a worthwhile Ally. The Trump administration was egging India on. Modi miscalculated, that's the bottom line.

 

[leviathan]

It is more like China is insecure with Trump and coronavirus messup

lol i'm so confused. China is insecure about the coronavirus messup in US?
Because when I check the data, US 25000 vs China 40 yesterday. Do you feel secure in US?
And for TRUMP....lol
John Bolton: Trump sought Xi's help with re-election
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53086042

 

[nahtanbob]

lol i'm so confused. China is insecure about the coronavirus messup in US?
Because when I check the data, US 25000 vs China 40 yesterday. Do you feel secure in US?
And for TRUMP....lol
John Bolton: Trump sought Xi's help with re-election
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53086042

Xi ain't that powerful. of course he could have locked the coronavirus better. He he

 

[Understudy]

Good Post.

I bet it has just happened discord, and commotion at the local level.

During all previous border incidents, local commanders were unable to do anything, but to take satellite phones and trying to hours go up the chain of command. Now, with all the disarray from the two sessions, something must have broke in the command chain, and the guy just took initiative into his own hands.

Based on initial press briefing on Wang Yi - S Jaishankar. It seems to be going that way. However looking at Indian response. It looks like one of the parties got surprised.

I don't believe that Xi was that much desperate to throw a distraction, given that Chinese media were dead silent about it for weeks, and if he were to do so, there would've been other options on the table. Now Xi himself throws mixed signals about this, possibly looking for an option to stand down without it looking like a retreat.

Exactly Indian Goverment was already on backfoot with their handling on Covid 19. This distraction was probably a welcome news. Could you elaborate on the mixed signals from Xi?

We will have to see how Zhao Zongqi (the current Western theatre commander) will fare, if he loses a start or two, it was unintentional, if he are to retire quietly in a few years, then it was unintentional, but Zhongnanhai didn't disapprove of him, and if he will be given a pat on the head, then it would be Xi's doing after all.

I don't think Zhao Zongqi will be punished for this yet, but it is too soon to tell. If China loses face in someway then a promising carrier will be cut short. Zhao Zongqi is the Commandar (since 2016) while Wu Shezhou is Political Commissar (since 2017) for the current Theater.

 

[nahtanbob]

I don't think Zhao Zongqi will be punished for this yet, but it is too soon to tell. If China loses face in someway then a promising carrier will be cut short. Zhao Zongqi is the Commandar (since 2016) while Wu Shezhou is Political Commissar (since 2017) for the current Theater.

political commisars remind me of comrade Stalin

 

[Aspen]

China is like a cornered tiger, it has no choice but to start clawing and biting back.

Nice to see China is learning from Pakistan

True but every move will welcome a reaction. China and India had come to a mutual understanding back in 2018 that they would not be adversaries. However, the Trump administration has acted to get India on board as an anti-China ally. It has provided India promises of cooperation, exchanges and setting up India as the replacement for China as a manufacturing hub. Obviously, this is music to Modi's ears and being the opportunist that he is, he has abandoned any good relationship with China to get on the anti-China track. This has already peaked tensions with China. On top of that, in order to prove that he was a useful ally to the US and the West, he started to annoy China at the line of control in Ladakh which has led up to the confrontation today. So I think this latest fight which has unfortunately led to some deaths, is a sign that China is ready to fight and escalate if needed to remind Modi that there are consequences to his anti-China stance.

Honestly, this is all Modi's miscalculation and he did it with the encouragement of the Trump administration.

India was not one of the nations that bullied China in the 19th century but jumping on board the anti-China wagon and provoking tensions at the border all triggers a bad memory. China is going to be pro-active and start acting aggressively as the US continues to get its allies to provoke China.

Every country that has made the mistake of trusting the US learns their lesson the hard way.

Pakistan learned their hard lesson trusting US in Afghanistan in the 1980's and getting thrown under the bus later.

India will learn their lesson trusting the US the hard way like all of the other countries that have made this mistake in the past. When India will need support, US will throw them under the bus and abandon them.

 

[52051]

It is more like China is insecure with Trump and coronavirus messup

I don't really think tower9, which is a Vietnamese American, can represent China's mentality.

I think its pretty obvious that China now is far stronger than before COVID19, and the US is no position counter China, they could not even form a meaningful alliance besides the anglo-5 eyes which itself could be broke up at any time now, even EU don't want to side with the US.

It is nothing about freedom or democrazy, it is as simple as that: people don't want to side with the losing team.

The world is still like jungle, they respect strengthen, not right or wrong, that's why despite of the supposed theory that COVID-19 originated in China, but China's handle of COVID-19 is still received positively comparing to the US, as conducted by the US own surevy.

And that's why despite of COVID-19, China's world imagine actually improved in some key Europe states according to Europe's own studies.

Just like a shooting war, the COVID-19 just expose how weak the US is, basically you are just a beefed-up version of India, full of chaos and highly disorganized, and a very very loudmouth too.

At best the US is comparable to an European colonial power just right before WW2, more hype than real, and just like Indians, the americans tend to have a very loudmouth which in our culture, is very much despised, but to a lesser degree than Indians of cause.

Xi's move to India is basically pre-planned, it is a warning shot to any neighbors, to show that there is little gain to side with the losing side that is the US against China, in old Chinese, it is called killing the chicken to warn the monkeys.

As for Xi Jinping's personl character, well, one of my father's friend is Xi's junior school classmate, he was a tough boy at that time, very quiet but tough, he seldom talks, but he was the only one then that stand up and pick a fight with a bunch of senior bullies that regularly bully them, so yes, no talk full action type.

So I think this time Chinese media rarely report any ongoing events of this China-India standoff reflect Xi's personal style, so I don't think it is merely some local officer's decision, It is basically a good decision from the higher-ups, so it put India to a cliff to the degree they have to fight and get fucked by China, otherwise they will lose more national imagine in this jungle-rule world.

 

[tower9]

I don't really think tower9, which is a Vietnamese American, can represent China's mentality.

I think its pretty obvious that China now is far stronger than before COVID19, and the US is no position counter China, they could not even form a meaningful alliance besides the anglo-5 eyes which itself could be broke up at any time now, even EU don't want to side with the US.

It is nothing about freedom or democrazy, it is as simple as that: people don't want to side with the losing team.

The world is still like jungle, they respect strengthen, not right or wrong, that's why despite of the supposed theory that COVID-19 originated in China, but China's handle of COVID-19 is still received positively comparing to the US, as conducted by the US own surevy.

And that's why despite of COVID-19, China's world imagine actually improved in some key Europe states according to Europe's own studies.

Just like a shooting war, the COVID-19 just expose how weak the US is, basically you are just a beefed-up version of India, full of chaos and highly disorganized, and a very very loudmouth too.

At best the US is comparable to an European colonial power just right before WW2, more hype than real, and just like Indians, the americans tend to have a very loudmouth which in our culture, is very much despised, but to a lesser degree than Indians of cause.

Xi's move to India is basically pre-planned, it is a warning shot to any neighbors, to show that there is little gain to side with the losing side that is the US against China, in old Chinese, it is called killing the chicken to warn the monkeys.

As for Xi Jinping's personl character, well, one of my father's friend is Xi's junior school classmate, he was a tough boy at that time, very quiet but tough, he seldom talks, but he was the only one then that stand up and pick a fight with a bunch of senior bullies that regularly bully them, so yes, no talk full action type.

So I think this time Chinese media rarely report any ongoing events of this China-India standoff reflect Xi's personal style, so I don't think it is merely some local officer's decision, It is basically a good decision from the higher-ups, so it put India to a cliff to the degree they have to fight and get fucked by China, otherwise they will lose more national imagine in this jungle-rule world.

I'm Chinese American. Not Vietnamese. On top of that, I actually look very Northern Chinese/Mongolian with a very tall height, strong build and sharp features.

 

[Longhorn]

I don't really think tower9, which is a Vietnamese American, can represent China's mentality.

I think its pretty obvious that China now is far stronger than before COVID19, and the US is no position counter China, they could not even form a meaningful alliance besides the anglo-5 eyes which itself could be broke up at any time now, even EU don't want to side with the US.

It is nothing about freedom or democrazy, it is as simple as that: people don't want to side with the losing team.

The world is still like jungle, they respect strengthen, not right or wrong, that's why despite of the supposed theory that COVID-19 originated in China, but China's handle of COVID-19 is still received positively comparing to the US, as conducted by the US own surevy.

And that's why despite of COVID-19, China's world imagine actually improved in some key Europe states according to Europe's own studies.

Just like a shooting war, the COVID-19 just expose how weak the US is, basically you are just a beefed-up version of India, full of chaos and highly disorganized, and a very very loudmouth too.

At best the US is comparable to an European colonial power just right before WW2, more hype than real, and just like Indians, the americans tend to have a very loudmouth which in our culture, is very much despised, but to a lesser degree than Indians of cause.

Xi's move to India is basically pre-planned, it is a warning shot to any neighbors, to show that there is little gain to side with the losing side that is the US against China, in old Chinese, it is called killing the chicken to warn the monkeys.

As for Xi Jinping's personl character, well, one of my father's friend is Xi's junior school classmate, he was a tough boy at that time, very quiet but tough, he seldom talks, but he was the only one then that stand up and pick a fight with a bunch of senior bullies that regularly bully them, so yes, no talk full action type.

So I think this time Chinese media rarely report any ongoing events of this China-India standoff reflect Xi's personal style, so I don't think it is merely some local officer's decision, It is basically a good decision from the higher-ups, so it put India to a cliff to the degree they have to fight and get fucked by China, otherwise they will lose more national imagine in this jungle-rule world.

In this case China is killing the monkey to warn the chickens.

 

[52051]

I'm Chinese American. Not Vietnamese. On top of that, I actually look very Northern Chinese/Mongolian with a very tall height, strong build and sharp features.

Mongolian are not very tall height and sharp features (unless they are mixed blood), it seems that you have not saw many Mongolians around.

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

In this case China is killing the monkey to warn the chickens.

Good one.

 

[dbc]

India started this to prove it is a useful ally to contain China

No highly unlikely, my reading is PLA is itching for a fight. When you raise attack dogs it will occasionally bite someone out of shear frustration.