Chinese Harrass U.S. Aircraft In International Airspace

[Oldman1]

USA peeping China exercises, ran to the China door,Instead accused China, can only say that the US shameless.

You sent a spy ship to take a peep over RIMPAC exercises and we didn't do anything. You sent a ship to stop a U.S. warship by parking in front of it. That tells us a lot that you guys are pissed.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You sent a spy ship to take a peep over RIMPAC exercises and we didn't do anything. You sent a ship to stop a U.S. warship by parking in front of it. That tells us a lot that you guys are pissed.

Yep, we are pissed that we managed to seize Scarborough shoal in 2012, and America did not uphold their "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines to come and fight for it.

 

[Oldman1]

Yep, we are pissed that we managed to seize Scarborough shoal in 2012, and America did not uphold their "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines to come and fight for it.

No you were pissed because there are U.S. warships near Chinese waters and can't do crap. Otherwise it makes China looking stupid about respecting international law of allow warships in a country's EEZ correct? I mean thats why you sent a ship to park in front of ours? Or sending a fighter to harass a recon plane?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

No you were pissed because there are U.S. warships near Chinese waters and can't do crap. Otherwise it makes China looking stupid about respecting international law of allow warships in a country's EEZ correct? I mean thats why you sent a ship to park in front of ours? Or sending a fighter to harass a recon plane?

Yes, holding onto new reclaimed territory (Scarborough) is really enough to piss a person off.

When are you coming to uphold your mutual defence treaty by the way? Two years is a bit late, but still doable.

 

[Oldman1]

Yes, holding onto new reclaimed territory (Scarborough) is really enough to piss a person off.

When are you coming to uphold your mutual defence treaty by the way? Two years is a bit late, but still doable.

Since you can't keep American warships and planes from your EEZ, you will always be pissed.

"However, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman made it clear that China’s position has not changed. Geng Yasheng, speaking at the ministry’s regular monthly press conference, defended the presence of China’s AGI vessel in the Hawaiian EEZ, saying that the vessel was acting in line with international law. “We hope the U.S. [will] respect the legitimate rights of the Chinese ship,” Geng said, and the U.S. navy has shown every indication of doing so.

Still, China’s position that its own ship is acting lawfully doesn’t seem to have changed its dislike for similar actions by U.S. vessels. Geng objected to a comparison between the two: “The activities of the Chinese navy ship, no matter in terms of scope, frequency, or pattern, can not be compared to the U.S. ship and aircraft’s high intensity close-in reconnaissance against China.”

Chinese official have long listed U.S. surveillance missions as one of three factors limiting U.S.-China military relations (with the other two being U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and U.S. congressional restrictions on mil-to-mil interactions). In an indication that China will holds fast to this position, Geng argued that U.S. reconnaissance missions near China “severely compromise China’s national security and can easily trigger accidents at sea and in the air.” Indeed, recently China has seemed willing to cause such “accidents” by aggressively harassing U.S. ships that venture into its EEZ on surveillance missions, including the Victorious and the Impeccable in 2009, the George Washington in 2010, and the Impeccable again in 2013.

So it seems that China wants to both vigorously defend its right to conduct reconnaissance missions near the U.S. while also denying the U.S. the same right. But how? In his defense of the Chinese AGI ship’s operations near Hawaii, Geng emphasized that the mission “is in line with the international law and domestic law of the U.S.” The latter may hold the key to understanding China’s position, as Andrew S. Erickson and Emily de La Bruyere suggest in their analysis of China’s RIMPAC surveillance."

 

[antonius123]

Your idea is using drones to intercept the navigator in international airspace ?
Is it not an act of terrorism ?

Terorisme is considered if the target is non combatant (civilian).


Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians)
Terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Beidou2020]

US is all bark and no bite.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Since you can't keep American warships and planes from your EEZ, you will always be pissed.

"However, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman made it clear that China’s position has not changed. Geng Yasheng, speaking at the ministry’s regular monthly press conference, defended the presence of China’s AGI vessel in the Hawaiian EEZ, saying that the vessel was acting in line with international law. “We hope the U.S. [will] respect the legitimate rights of the Chinese ship,” Geng said, and the U.S. navy has shown every indication of doing so.

Still, China’s position that its own ship is acting lawfully doesn’t seem to have changed its dislike for similar actions by U.S. vessels. Geng objected to a comparison between the two: “The activities of the Chinese navy ship, no matter in terms of scope, frequency, or pattern, can not be compared to the U.S. ship and aircraft’s high intensity close-in reconnaissance against China.”

Chinese official have long listed U.S. surveillance missions as one of three factors limiting U.S.-China military relations (with the other two being U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and U.S. congressional restrictions on mil-to-mil interactions). In an indication that China will holds fast to this position, Geng argued that U.S. reconnaissance missions near China “severely compromise China’s national security and can easily trigger accidents at sea and in the air.” Indeed, recently China has seemed willing to cause such “accidents” by aggressively harassing U.S. ships that venture into its EEZ on surveillance missions, including the Victorious and the Impeccable in 2009, the George Washington in 2010, and the Impeccable again in 2013.

So it seems that China wants to both vigorously defend its right to conduct reconnaissance missions near the U.S. while also denying the U.S. the same right. But how? In his defense of the Chinese AGI ship’s operations near Hawaii, Geng emphasized that the mission “is in line with the international law and domestic law of the U.S.” The latter may hold the key to understanding China’s position, as Andrew S. Erickson and Emily de La Bruyere suggest in their analysis of China’s RIMPAC surveillance."

You keep avoiding my very simple question.

When is America coming to uphold their mutual defence treaty, regarding our seizure of the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines in 2012? It's two years now, surely that's long enough?

I mean, we both know that's not going to happen. The US government is in fact completely avoiding even mentioning Scarborough now. I'm sure you know it too, but I guess you are going to figure out a way to explain it anyway.

Admittedly, the US government is very busy trying to explain why they didn't stop Russia from annexing Crimea in 2014, but what about the preceding two years, or now?

 

[Oldman1]

You keep avoiding my very simple question.

When is America coming to uphold their mutual defence treaty, regarding our seizure of the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines? It's two years now, surely that's long enough?

I mean, we both know that's not going to happen. The US government is in fact completely avoiding even mentioning Scarborough now. I'm sure you know it too, but I guess you are going to figure out a way to explain it anyway.

When are you going to invade Senkaku Islands? When are you going to stop recon flights and passage of American warships in China's EEZ? Its been many years.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

When are you going to invade Senkaku Islands? When are you going to stop recon flights and passage of American warships in China's EEZ? Its been many years.

Avoiding the question again.

And I already answered that Taiwan is next, around the 2025 mark. Then there will be another rest period, maybe 10 years after that.

But that's the future, whereas Crimea is the present, and Scarborough is the recent past.

You can't do anything about the future, but what about upholding your mutual defence treaty over a past violation in 2012?

 

[Oldman1]

Avoiding the question again.

And I already answered that Taiwan is next, around the 2025 mark. Then there will be another rest period, maybe 10 years after that.

Why not now? You scared or something? You said you guys are already more powerful than Japan and Taiwan. Even have nuke advantage. So whats stopping you?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Why not now? You scared or something? You said you guys are already more powerful than Japan and Taiwan. Even have nuke advantage. So whats stopping you?

I already answered you before, can't you remember?

2025 is the year, because that's when our current phase of economic expansion will be more or less completed. And when our military modernization will be on full swing.

That is why. Remember it this time.

And explain when you are coming to uphold your mutual defence treaty with the Philippines? The question you have been avoiding this entire time, because you know the answer perfectly well. You just can't admit it's another Crimea moment for you.

 

[Oldman1]

I already answered you before, can't you remember?

2025 is the year, because that's when our current phase of economic expansion will be more or less completed. And when our military modernization will be on full swing.

That is why. Remember it this time.

And explain when you are coming to uphold your mutual defence treaty with the Philippines? The question you have been avoiding this entire time, because you know the answer perfectly well. You just can't admit it's another Crimea moment for you.

You say 2025 and so on like you guys too weak and not ready. All that claims about able to take on Japan and Taiwan right now its pretty much all bark. I don't care about your next phase of economic expansion to cover up that you are not ready to take on Japan.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You say 2025 and so on like you guys too weak and not ready. All that claims about able to take on Japan and Taiwan right now its pretty much all bark. I don't care about your next phase of economic expansion to cover up that you are not ready to take on Japan.

I already said we will not be ready until 2025, do you have a hearing (reading) problem?

That's because we are on an upwards trajectory, our relative power is increasing by bounds and bounds every single year. So time is on our side, we can wait till our current phase of economic expansion is complete. In fact that would be to our advantage.

America on the other hand has already peaked, in the future their relative power is only going to keep shrinking and shrinking. If they couldn't do anything about Scarborough in 2012 or Ukraine in 2014, there is pretty much a zero chance they will do anything about it after waiting a decade and shrinking further in relative power.

 

[BoQ77]

I already said we will not be ready until 2025, do you have a hearing (reading) problem?

That's because we are on an upwards trajectory, our relative power is increasing by bounds and bounds every single year. So time is on our side, we can wait till our current phase of economic expansion is complete.

America on the other hand has already peaked, in the future their relative power is only going to keep shrinking and shrinking. If they couldn't do anything about Scarborough in 2012 or Ukraine in 2014, there is pretty much a zero chance they will do anything about it after waiting a decade and shrinking further in relative power.

So what's China doing in Scarborough Shoal now ?