Chinese Harrass U.S. Aircraft In International Airspace

[boomslang]

We are being too lenient on North Korea and that's why we slowly changing our policy to get tougher on them now. You should do the same to Japan, too.

Japan is a big boy. They can handle themselves. Just wait till they tear up Article Nine !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

 

[Europa]

Japan is a big boy. They can handle themselves. Just wait till they tear up Article Nine !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

can changing constitution make them stronger overnight ? won't they need time to gather experience and build hardware? or do they have same offensive capability as much as say for example russia does?

here are some close photos
Chinese Fighter Jet Buzzes US Submarine Hunter | Military.com

 

[boomslang]

can changing constitution make them stronger overnight ? won't they need time to gather experience and build hardware?...

No one said anything about 'overnight'. The sooner the better....

 

[Oldman1]

Will our American friend be okay and not intercept our plane if we spy the US coast?


First and foremost, sending plane to intercept in international water is not illegal. Especially we already declared ADIZ so we consider it is a provocative for spying. If we did the same, you would intercept as well.

Theres intercepting and then theres recklessness. Just like sending a Chinese ship in front of our warship. Did we do anything recklessness against your spy ship near Hawaii? No. Maybe you realize your mistake saying your respect the rules only when it applies to you.

China Says Spy Ship Operations at RIMPAC 'In Line With International Law' | Defense News | defensenews.com

BEIJING — Beijing has defended its dispatch of a spy ship to international waters off Hawaii, near where Chinese vessels are taking part in a US-led naval exercise for the first time, reports said Monday.

The defense ministry said the vessel’s activities are in line with international law, reported the Global Times, which is close to the ruling Communist Party.

Reports in the US quoted the US Navy saying that a Chinese surveillance vessel had been found operating near the location of the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) naval exercises, viewed by analysts as one step toward potentially repairing ties at a time of heightened US-China tensions.

Four ships of the People’s Liberation Army Navy with an estimated 1,100 sailors on board — a missile destroyer, missile frigate, supply ship and hospital ship — are officially taking part in the RIMPAC exercises, which began last month.

But China and the US have found themselves increasingly at odds as Beijing seeks to assert its claim to disputed territory in the East and South China Seas and as Washington seeks to shore up its influence in the region.

China’s dispatch of the surveillance ship is a reminder that relations remain fraught between the Asian giant and western superpower.

“The People’s Liberation Army naval ships’ operation in waters outside the territorial seas of other countries is in line with international law and international practice,” the Chinese defense ministry statement said.

“The Chinese side respect the rights of maritime countries in accordance with international laws, but also wishes relevant countries could respect the rights Chinese ships are entitled to enjoy by law,” it added.

US officials have affirmed that the ship is operating legally.

China’s RIMPAC Spying: Having Your Cake and Eating It Too | The Diplomat

Despite hopeful comments by U.S. military officials, China’s sending a naval vessel to spy on the international RIMPAC exercises near Hawaii does not indicate a tacit recognition that similar U.S. operations near China are legal. Instead, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman complained Thursday that such U.S. reconnaissance missions “severely compromise China’s national security.”

As Zach wrote earlier this week on the Flashpoints blog, Admiral Samuel J. Locklear III, commander of U.S. Pacific Command, was remarkably upbeat about the revelation that a Chinese auxiliary general-intelligence ship was shadowing the RIMPAC drills within Hawaii’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ). Locklear saw the Chinese vessel’s presence as “an acceptance by the Chinese of what we’ve been saying to them for some time, [which] is that military operations and survey operations in another country’s EEZs … are within international law and are acceptable.” China has long protested U.S. surveillance missions within China’s EEZs, while the U.S. believes waters outside the 12 nautical mile territorial zone are international waters and thus fair game for surveillance missions. Because China sent a vessel to perform reconnaissance within Hawaii’s EEZ, Locklear was hopeful China had come around to the standard international interpretation.

However, a Chinese Defense Ministry spokesman made it clear that China’s position has not changed. Geng Yasheng, speaking at the ministry’s regular monthly press conference, defended the presence of China’s AGI vessel in the Hawaiian EEZ, saying that the vessel was acting in line with international law. “We hope the U.S. [will] respect the legitimate rights of the Chinese ship,” Geng said, and the U.S. navy has shown every indication of doing so.

Still, China’s position that its own ship is acting lawfully doesn’t seem to have changed its dislike for similar actions by U.S. vessels. Geng objected to a comparison between the two: “The activities of the Chinese navy ship, no matter in terms of scope, frequency, or pattern, can not be compared to the U.S. ship and aircraft’s high intensity close-in reconnaissance against China.”

Chinese official have long listed U.S. surveillance missions as one of three factors limiting U.S.-China military relations (with the other two being U.S. arms sales to Taiwan and U.S. congressional restrictions on mil-to-mil interactions). In an indication that China will holds fast to this position, Geng argued that U.S. reconnaissance missions near China “severely compromise China’s national security and can easily trigger accidents at sea and in the air.” Indeed, recently China has seemed willing to cause such “accidents” by aggressively harassing U.S. ships that venture into its EEZ on surveillance missions, including the Victorious and the Impeccable in 2009, the George Washington in 2010, and the Impeccable again in 2013.

So it seems that China wants to both vigorously defend its right to conduct reconnaissance missions near the U.S. while also denying the U.S. the same right. But how? In his defense of the Chinese AGI ship’s operations near Hawaii, Geng emphasized that the mission “is in line with the international law and domestic law of the U.S.” The latter may hold the key to understanding China’s position, as Andrew S. Erickson and Emily de La Bruyere suggest in their analysis of China’s RIMPAC surveillance.


Erickson and de La Bruyere point out that China wants to use domestic laws to justify its seemingly contradictory stance. The U.S., which believes in free navigation, even for surveillance activities, within EEZs, has no domestic laws restricting such missions. China does. Thus Beijing can insist upon the legality of its operations near Hawaii based on U.S. domestic law, even while denying the U.S. the same right based on Chinese domestic law.

 

[TheNoob]

That CJ130 and boomslang sure have some f*cked up mentality....

 

[boomslang]

That CJ130 and boomslang sure have some f*cked up mentality....

Yeah, man !!! We're way out there..............................................................................

 

[Hiptullha]

a billion+ plus people would die to be born American.
would you rather be starving and poor?
massive burgers
massive ego, some of us.
no worse than the ego of the Chinese posters on here.

Chinese posters here are probably paid propagandists. They're supposed to have big egos to make China look formidable.

'Murica isn't the only choice. There's Canada, UK, Australia, and several other European countries with smaller egos and healthier food which a starving and poor person would love.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Chinese posters here are probably paid propagandists. They're supposed to have big egos to make China look formidable.

Actually CPC policy is the opposite. Their efforts are directed towards making China "appear" weaker than it is (classic Sun Tzu strategy), see this for an example:



Financial Times - China tried to undermine economic report showing its ascendancy

China fought for a year to undermine new data showing it is poised to usurp the US as the world’s biggest economy in 2014 based on purchasing power, according to people who helped compile the report.

The report, released this week by the International Comparison Programme under the auspices of the World Bank, included a line stating that the “National Bureau of Statistics of China has expressed reservations about some aspects of the methodology”. Beijing has declined to publish the headline number for China and the report said that the NBS “does not endorse the results as official statistics”.

But, according to those involved in compiling the data, China’s distaste for the findings went further.

“A year ago, there was a huge debate. China wanted to throw this out. They don’t want to be seen as number one. They’re worried about the political implications with the US,” said one person involved in preparing the report. “They begged and threatened for a whole year . . . China hates it,” he said.

The main reason for China’s lack of triumphalism is that leaders do not want exposure to the international pressure that comes with being the world’s largest economy, according to people familiar with Chinese official views on the matter.


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Which makes perfect sense if you think about it. When a country is increasing its power, as China obviously is, it's always better to have everyone else underestimate you. Rather than being worried and trying to stop it.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

respect to china

 

[senheiser]

some one say barrell roll ? lol

 

[BoQ77]

China did not change their dangerous approach; pass over so close. A Chinese J8 ever hit US plane and Chinese pilot killed. The mistake by Chinese to pass over so close and cause the collision.

The same tactic applied several times cause dangerous to maritime and air navigators which need the safety condition.
A Chinese big ship sailed right in front of a US missiles guided destroyer and stop.

Why they do that? an act not follow the international law and very very dangerous, ever cause kills in the past by them.

This is not a football match.

 

[Hiptullha]

Actually CPC policy is the opposite. Their efforts are directed towards making China "appear" weaker than it is (classic Sun Tzu strategy), see this for an example:



Financial Times - China tried to undermine economic report showing its ascendancy

China fought for a year to undermine new data showing it is poised to usurp the US as the world’s biggest economy in 2014 based on purchasing power, according to people who helped compile the report.

The report, released this week by the International Comparison Programme under the auspices of the World Bank, included a line stating that the “National Bureau of Statistics of China has expressed reservations about some aspects of the methodology”. Beijing has declined to publish the headline number for China and the report said that the NBS “does not endorse the results as official statistics”.

But, according to those involved in compiling the data, China’s distaste for the findings went further.

“A year ago, there was a huge debate. China wanted to throw this out. They don’t want to be seen as number one. They’re worried about the political implications with the US,” said one person involved in preparing the report. “They begged and threatened for a whole year . . . China hates it,” he said.

The main reason for China’s lack of triumphalism is that leaders do not want exposure to the international pressure that comes with being the world’s largest economy, according to people familiar with Chinese official views on the matter.


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Which makes perfect sense if you think about it. When a country is increasing its power, as China obviously is, it's always better to have everyone else underestimate you. Rather than being worried and trying to stop it.

That's the impression the Chinese are trying to convey towards the US and I'm sure they won't be trying to do it on an American forum either.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That's the impression the Chinese are trying to convey towards the US and I'm sure they won't be trying to do it on an American forum either.

So why spend a whole year desperately trying to shut down a report showing China's economic ascendancy?

Anyway it doesn't matter, that's their own strategy.

So, enjoy:

 

[BoQ77]

next time we should just send some drone and ram it

Your idea is using drones to intercept the navigator in international airspace ?
Is it not an act of terrorism ?

 

[A1Kaid]

What was the US fighter jet doing near Hainan island (135 miles off coast)?