Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[Deino]

At Cangzhou

https://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2452078-1-1.html

 

[cirr]

At Cangzhou

https://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2452078-1-1.html

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http://tv.cntv.cn/video/VSET100034782842/de7b07c4a0ee419abc09883d330b6fc6

Xi stresses real combat training

2018-01-03 23:25 Xinhua Editor: Wang Fan

Chinese President Xi Jinping, also general secretary of the Communist Party of China Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission, issues an order at a mobilization meeting held by the commission on Jan. 3, 2018. (Xinhua/Li Gang)

President Xi Jinping Wednesday instructed the armed forces to strengthen real combat training and improve its war-winning capability.

Xi, also general secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC), made the remarks while issuing an order at a mobilization meeting held by the commission.

It was the first time for the commission to hold a mobilization meeting for the whole armed forces.

Xi urged the armed forces to implement the spirit of the 19th CPC National Congress and the CPC's thought on building a strong army in the new era.

At 10:00 a.m., Xi ascended to the review stand in military uniform at the main venue where more than 7,000 armed officers and soldiers, as well as nearly 300 sets of armaments, formed up in line at a range of the Central Theater Command.

Elsewhere, over 4,000 branch venues were designated to listen to Xi's instruction.

In Xi's order, he urged the army at all levels to enhance military training oriented at combat readiness and put military training at a strategic position and as the central work with effective results.

Leading officers should take the lead and play an exemplary role, Xi said, calling for real combat training and joint combat training according to rules in strict governance.

The armed forces should conduct training in fine work style, innovate method and improve support to training, tighten up supervision, and hold events of mass training for the soldiers, said Xi.

Xi called on the armed forces to enhance targeted and adversarial training, improve military real combat ability, and firmly grasp the capability to win battles.

Commanders and personnel should firmly implement the decisions and instructions by the CPC Central Committee and the CMC with a fighting spirit of fearing neither hardship nor death, Xi said.

They should also train hard in a scientific way, be brave to overcome difficulties and surpass opponents, and create an elite and powerful force that is always ready for the fight, capable of combat and sure to win in order to fulfill the tasks bestowed by the Party and the people in the new era, he added.

After the meeting, Xi reviewed assembly of soldiers on the site and training of various troops via televised devices.

CMC Vice Chairman Xu Qiliang presided over the meeting.

Other senior military officers including CMC Vice Chairman Zhang Youxia also attended the meeting.

http://www.ecns.cn/2018/01-03/286849.shtml

 

[Deino]

A few more ... interesting is the light grey instrument/cockpit shield instead of the J-11BS' black one.

 

[Deino]

hmm ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/948549647751987200

OedoSoldier thinks they are from the 97th Brigade, but that would be the first AR (former 97th AR) assigned to the 33rd Air Division, a former J-7E-unit. I thought this J-11BS is one of those with 78x8x from the 177th Brigade?

What do You think?

Deino

 

[clarkgap]

hmm ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/948549647751987200

OedoSoldier thinks they are from the 97th Brigade, but that would be the first AR (former 97th AR) assigned to the 33rd Air Division, a former J-7E-unit. I thought this J-11BS is one of those with 78x8x from the 177th Brigade?

What do You think?

Deino

Not clear, but looks like 70085.

 

[Deino]

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Not clear, but looks like 70085.

But could easily be a 78085 too.

 

[Deino]

J-16 78632 - 172. Brig + J-16 70095 - 98. Brig

 

[Deino]

J-16 78632 - 172. Brig + J-16 70095 - 98. Brig

Again ... 5×J-16 9×J-11BS 3×J-11B 3×Su-30MKK

 

[Deino]

J-11B 63008 - 19. Brigade

 

[lcloo]

Interesting, I think this solved the question that has been in my mind for many years. The difference between J11 and J11A (picture as below). From CJDBY.

There were 5 batches of J11/J11A, total number 105.
J-11/11A一共五个批次，105架

Batch 00, 01 and 02 using complete Russian parts are known as J11.
其中用毛熊进口零件组装的00、01、02批次被称为J-11

Batch 03 and 04 are known as J11A.
03、04批次被称为J-11A

Batch 03 and 04 have few imported Russian parts. Most components were made in China, with certain modification on avionics, data link, navigation etc. And many markings and display language had been changed from Russian to Chinese.

03、04批次除了极少数材料还需要从俄罗斯进口之外，大部分机体原材料和毛坯件都立足于国内生产，在生产中还对机上设备与部队的国产地面设备的兼容进行分批改进，例如航管应答机、数据链和导引设备、导航与着陆系统、卫星导航设备等；为了方便中国飞行员和地勤人员的操作，对飞机上的大部分俄文标识和显示数据进行了汉化

http://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_1369024

 

[Fledgingwings]

Why dont PAF buy twin engine Jets for their pilots??

 

[Deino]

J-11 and its derivates are not for export; that was part of the licence agreement with Russia.

Interesting, I think this solved the question that has been in my mind for many years. The difference between J11 and J11A (picture as below). From CJDBY.

View attachment 449769
There were 5 batches of J11/J11A, total number 105.
J-11/11A一共五个批次，105架

Batch 00, 01 and 02 using complete Russian parts are known as J11.
其中用毛熊进口零件组装的00、01、02批次被称为J-11

Batch 03 and 04 are known as J11A.
03、04批次被称为J-11A

Batch 03 and 04 have few imported Russian parts. Most components were made in China, with certain modification on avionics, data link, navigation etc. And many markings and display language had been changed from Russian to Chinese.

03、04批次除了极少数材料还需要从俄罗斯进口之外，大部分机体原材料和毛坯件都立足于国内生产，在生产中还对机上设备与部队的国产地面设备的兼容进行分批改进，例如航管应答机、数据链和导引设备、导航与着陆系统、卫星导航设备等；为了方便中国飞行员和地勤人员的操作，对飞机上的大部分俄文标识和显示数据进行了汉化

http://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_1369024

Interesting, but externally they are the same or is the a clear sign or detail to differ between a J-11 and a J-11A?

 

[lcloo]

J-11 and its derivates are not for export; that was part of the licence agreement with Russia.




Interesting, but externally they are the same or is the a clear sign or detail to differ between a J-11 and a J-11A?

I can't make out any external difference, but the posting did mentioned modification on data link and satellite commnunication, landing gear.

I think the most obvious would be batch number (batch 03 and 04 = J11A) and maintenance instruction (in Chinese characters) painted on the air frame, and may be composite parts, but these need clear high defination photo.

 

[Deino]

...most obvious would be batch number (batch 03 and 04 = J11A) and maintenance instruction (in Chinese characters) painted on the air frame, ..., but these need clear high defination photo.

Thanks ... but this might be the biggest issue.

 

[lcloo]

These old birds are still going strong. SU-27UBK two seat conversion fighter, J-11A and J-11A "MLU" (with MAWS on both side of fuselage behind cockpit).

Photos from recent flight training exercise conducted by an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Southern Theater Command on February 8, 2018. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Tang Jun)