Chinese Aero Engine information thread

[BoQ77]

Yeah we need true facts not rumors which could be true or false. Mark "rumor" label ( if any ) pls

 

[Economic superpower]

Again ... what's the source for this !??

It simply CAN't be like so many things You tell us in Your posts always without a source or even proof. An engine that is not ready in its original form can't already be used in a military development. Period.

The problem is again You only take the information You like, tell is a fact - to admit, I'm a nature scientist (chemistry) and have therefore a maybe different standard for telling something "for sure" - and all others, who question this piece of information or have a different opinion that does not fit Yours are bashed as being stupid, ignorant or a foreigner.

Deino

Sources are never revealed for foreigners!

 

[Beast]

Again ... what's the source for this !??

It simply CAN't be like so many things You tell us in Your posts always without a source or even proof. An engine that is not ready in its original form can't already be used in a military development. Period.

The problem is again You only take the information You like, tell is a fact - to admit, I'm a nature scientist (chemistry) and have therefore a maybe different standard for telling something "for sure" - and all others, who question this piece of information or have a different opinion that does not fit Yours are bashed as being stupid, ignorant or a foreigner.

Deino

You simply think Z-20 can still use the WZ-9 turboshaft? PW turboshaft is banned for military prototype use. So no way China has mean to obtain from PW for their military prototype. It has to be a more powerful engine dubbed by Huitong website. The same use on Z-10. I still remember you insist the new seen Z-10 gunship is just recycle of earlier batch of Z-10 gunship until you eat back your words when we seen new camouflage Z-10 gunship which definitely prove is newly build Z-10. And not refurbished as what you rubbish. And also proven our stance new Z-10 is come out from factory. You want prove? There you go.

 

[Deino]

Sources are never revealed for foreigners!

Yes, but they surely reveal their sources to Beast ?! ...

I know that sources are rarely given and that's in fact my argument: Due to the lack of official confirmed reports, we have to rely on the few we have, the rumours we get and photographic evidence.

We simply should use our brain and logic to deduct what's the most likely fact behind all that ...

You simply think Z-20 can still use the WZ-9 turboshaft? PW turboshaft is banned for military prototype use. So no way China has mean to obtain from PW for their military prototype. It has to be a more powerful engine dubbed by Huitong website. The same use on Z-10. I still remember you insist the new seen Z-10 gunship is just recycle of earlier batch of Z-10 gunship until you eat back your words when we seen new camouflage Z-10 gunship which definitely prove is newly build Z-10. And not refurbished as what you rubbish. And also proven our stance new Z-10 is come out from factory. You want prove? There you go.

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Honestly - and I rarely get rude - You are so stupid and plain dumb in Your obsession to be correct that You do not even notice how much BS You post.

I claimed indeed, that the so called Z-10H is nothing more than a refurbished pre-serial batch and that has been confirmed by Huitong, who is quite a reliable poster at other forums. And again, just look at the details.

Even more I never "eat back my word" that these new build camouflaged Z-10K are the same ones ... You are simply too stupid even to note where they differ from the last batch, the pre-serials or prototypes. For You nearly each and every new image is a hint that they are fitted by new much more powerful engine.
If - following Your obsession - these Z-10K are indeed the latest version, why then are these latest Z-10K are again of the original Z-10A production standard ?

Guy ... LOOK, CONSIDER and then draw a CONCLUSION !

Do You really think they build the original airframe in the prototypes & pre-serial, modified it for the standard Z-10A ... re-used the old airframe for the Z-10H due to its "supa-powerful" engine and again took the modified airframe of the Z-10A for the latest Z-10K ??? I think You are the one who simply does not know, who does not understand, who is not able or willing to think ... who cannot proof and then becomes rude and personnel after You noticed Your argument fails.

Go and try again. So far all Your post are pure
Deino

 

[aliaselin]

One thing for sure WZ-16 is just an civilian version of the already new engine equipped on newer batch of Z-10 gunship and Z-20 military transport helo. It probably has stricter demand like noise damping, less emission and more fuel efficiency in order to be met by demanding commercial requirement.

Z-10 will use new version of WZ9; while Z-20 will use WZ-10. These three engines belongs to three different classes

 

[Beast]

Z-10 will use new version of WZ9; while Z-20 will use WZ-10. These three engines belongs to three different classes

I doubt that. The engine on Z-10 gunship is no different from the one from Z-20. PLA shall follow fhe same arrangement like USAF for their Blackhawks and Apache. They used all the same engines. It is to reduce logistics. They shall be no reason PLA developed a special non interchangeable engine for Z-20 helo that for Z-10 gunship can't use. All new Z-10 gunship shall use the more powerful turboshaft.

 

[Deino]

I doubt that. The engine on Z-10 gunship is no different from the one from Z-20. PLA shall follow fhe same arrangement like USAF for their Blackhawks and Apache. They used all the same engines. It is to reduce logistics. They shall be no reason PLA developed a special non interchangeable engine for Z-20 helo that for Z-10 gunship can't use. All new Z-10 gunship shall use the more powerful turboshaft.

Proof !!! Simply proof it !

You repeatedly and constantly bash others due to their opinion and now You simply tell us we should trust Your "doubts ! You are really funny.

However in one point You are correct: They SHALL use ... but today they DON'T !

So ... give us any proof or at least an argument, any physical evidence and not Your believing.

Deino

 

[Beast]

Proof !!! Simply proof it !

You repeatedly and constantly bash others due to their opinion and now You simply tell us we should trust Your "doubts ! You are really funny.

However in one point You are correct: They SHALL use ... but today they DON'T !

So ... give us any proof or at least an argument, any physical evidence and not Your believing.

Deino

What proof do you have that the engine used on Z-20 is not the same as Z-10? Show me.

You think PLA are stupid to create logistic night mare for themselves?

There is no way, the engine used on Z-20 can be a weak one since Z-20 main purpose is to transport logistic. It has to be an upgraded more powerful than WZ-9 turboshaft. PW turboshaft is out of question since they were fined once and no way it can happened again.

 

[Deino]

I have no proof other that the consideration that the Z-10 and Z-20 are both of a different weight class other than the AH-64 and CH-60.

I don't think the PLA is stupid, but sometimes it has no other option ... but it's stupid to assume "wishful thinking" as fact and pretend to this false opinion, if all other information speak against that.

As such not my "I-don't-know what engine the Z-20 use" is the argument we discuss, but Your constant BS in regard to the Z-10, J-10B and so on ! Just give us an answer in regard to the different versions ? Where are these "I eat my word back" ??? ... or do You simply don't understand my argument ?

IT's simply again You, You have no argument, You have no idea and most of what You post is simply clueless and wrong. So explain me why should the new Z-10K again use the original configuration ?

 

[Economic superpower]

Beast is far more believable than Deino who is clueless on Chinese military affairs.

 

[Deino]

Beast is far more believable than Deino who is clueless on Chinese military affairs.

Care to explain ? Only since I'm a foreigner or since I mention things in his posts, that simply can't be ?

Honestly it is one thing to be optimistic or have a positive contention, but it is another thing to post things that can't be - see the Z-10 issue, see the J-10B issue - and the turn down all arguments simply with "You are stupid since a German" !

I have no problem to argue and discuss; even more I would love to revert my point of view if convinced by arguments and facts. The fact that I'm a German is not an argument for his believing ...

I agree with You that he has a huge advantage since I can't read Chinese ... but that should not prevent him from using his brain or could You explain why the PLA - by his logic - changes each time the Z-10-configuration with each new version ? Why are there so many J-10B with full PLAAF serials that are "not operational" ??

Anyway ... have a nice day.

Deino

 

[BoQ77]

Beast is far more believable than Deino who is clueless on Chinese military affairs.

Deino is thinker
Beast is dreamer

LOL

 

[Akasa]

There is no evidence to suggest that the Z-10 has already been equipped with the WZ-16. The engine has yet to enter service on the Z-15, get approval from the French, and then do a whole bunch of integration tests before it could happen.

 

[帅的一匹]

Deino is thinker
Beast is dreamer

LOL

 

[aliaselin]

研究所在确保质量、安全、保密的前提下，紧紧围绕研究所“强基固本开拓创新”总基调和“以任务与能力为根本抓手”总思路，狠抓科研经营生产中主要矛盾的解决落实，实现了“一机鉴定、两机首飞、两机达标、五项目立项、五机定型/鉴定所内准备、九课题验收”，同时科研管理工作也呈现诸多亮点。

I'm shocked...
Lin did not cheat us.