China’s New Type 054B Frigates Break Cover At Two Shipyards

[jhungary]

The LCS, is basically a mine warfare ship, UUV mothership, and littoral ASW platform. Akin to the Type 056A Corvettes of the PLAN.

I got to tour a freedom class ship and these aluminum tin cans were barely armed above the level of a coast guard ship.

In hostile waters they could act like little scout ships under the air defense protection of a AB destroyer. Kind of like the Visby class corvettes of Sweden, but not stealthy.

The USN needs better and more stealthy corvettes if it wasn’t to fight in the littorals and might as well try to build a sea going version of the Visby. At only 650 tons and fast, it’s the right size as a modern day PT boat for the littorals of the Indo-Pacific, IMHO, which is probably why Indonesia get something in a similar size.

Depends, as you know, there are two type of LCS, Freedom and Independence.

One is for ASW (Freedom) and the other (Independence) is for UAV/UUV platform. There are no corresponding class to any other navy because they are modular ship, basically, they are what you want them to be. But the USN envisioned to have both LCS to pick up the slack of OHP Class (Something our friend @Han Patriot refused to believe) In almost all other navies, that can be done, but for the US, their role is somehow redundant, because they don't really offer much individually, and as individual ship, they can screen for sub, they can jam enemy radar, but they don't really excel in any of those task, I know a Navy Commander (o-5) who is a CO of an AB Class, he told me that basically what LCS can do, the destroyer can somehow do it, the destroyer itself is too multipurpose to have an multipurpose escort. That's the problem, if I can do it myself, then why I want another ship to do it for me? In fact, why would I want that ship here?

What US needed, is a more capable ship to go high-low with an AB class, LCS just wouldn't cut it.

 

[FuturePAF]

Depends, as you know, there are two type of LCS, Freedom and Independence.

One is for ASW (Freedom) and the other (Independence) is for UAV/UUV platform. There are no corresponding class to any other navy because they are modular ship, basically, they are what you want them to be. But the USN envisioned to have both LCS to pick up the slack of OHP Class (Something our friend @Han Patriot refused to believe) In almost all other navies, that can be done, but for the US, their role is somehow redundant, because they don't really offer much individually, and as individual ship, they can screen for sub, they can jam enemy radar, but they don't really excel in any of those task, I know a Navy Commander (o-5) who is a CO of an AB Class, he told me that basically what LCS can do, the destroyer can somehow do it, the destroyer itself is too multipurpose to have an multipurpose escort. That's the problem, if I can do it myself, then why I want another ship to do it for me? In fact, why would I want that ship here?

What US needed, is a more capable ship to go high-low with an AB class, LCS just wouldn't cut it.

The Freedom LCS also has a “moon bay” (as told to me by the crew or contractors on the fleet week tour, but they called it something else, I don’t recall what) for launching UUVs. I got to go into the control room for the UUVs and there was a large cut out in the floor that went many stories down, but at an angle, slightly larger then enough for a torpedo sized UUV. They didn’t allow any pictures.

 

[jhungary]

The Freedom LCS also has a “moon bay” (as told to me by the crew or contractors on the fleet week tour, but they called it something else, I don’t recall what) for launching UUVs. I got to go into the control room for the UUVs and there was a large cut out in the floor that went many stories down, but at an angle, slightly larger then enough for a torpedo sized UUV. They didn’t allow any pictures.

IIRC, the mission bay are interchangeable, but the main mission for Freedom is ASW, and Independence is more about Sea Denial (UUV, torpedo boat or mine laying)

And they don't generally allow picture on the boat unless you are doing one of those Tiger Cruise, did some pic when I was on a tico a few decade ago

I still can't show you what is inside, the best I can do is show you the hanger bay...

 

[FuturePAF]

IIRC, the mission bay are interchangeable, but the main mission for Freedom is ASW, and Independence is more about Sea Denial (UUV, torpedo boat or mine laying)

And they don't generally allow picture on the boat unless you are doing one of those Tiger Cruise, did some pic when I was on a tico a few decade ago

I still can't show you what is inside, the best I can do is show you the hanger bay...

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Come to think of it, Maybe it wasn’t the LCS, and it was some kind of oceanographic research ship, because it was a pretty large two part room, one full of computers along the walls and another with the UUV launch wench and recovery system into a large square hole in the middle of the room to launch the UUV at an angle.

I can’t recall where on the LCS a room that size was located. It was probably the navy’s “whale ship”. The one with marine biologists “studying whale” by really doing sonar work.

 

[Han Patriot]

Depends, as you know, there are two type of LCS, Freedom and Independence.

One is for ASW (Freedom) and the other (Independence) is for UAV/UUV platform. There are no corresponding class to any other navy because they are modular ship, basically, they are what you want them to be. But the USN envisioned to have both LCS to pick up the slack of OHP Class (Something our friend @Han Patriot refused to believe) In almost all other navies, that can be done, but for the US, their role is somehow redundant, because they don't really offer much individually, and as individual ship, they can screen for sub, they can jam enemy radar, but they don't really excel in any of those task, I know a Navy Commander (o-5) who is a CO of an AB Class, he told me that basically what LCS can do, the destroyer can somehow do it, the destroyer itself is too multipurpose to have an multipurpose escort. That's the problem, if I can do it myself, then why I want another ship to do it for me? In fact, why would I want that ship here?

What US needed, is a more capable ship to go high-low with an AB class, LCS just wouldn't cut it.

Everybody calls it something else but you insist it is a frigate, the name LITTRORAL already explained to you it its form abd function. It is not even in any CBG fleet.

lol, I don't because you clearly said BEFORE 2005 US does not have any Frigate

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That's exactly what you said, tell me what else can it meant?

And lololol. I quote a US Navy Fact sheet about LCS being a part of CSG group, and you still say Burke don't pair up with them as part of CSG, yeah, sure, LCS are in San Diego providing the 7th fleet with ASW capability when they are in South China sea lol

I mean just because you are stupid does not mean everyone is. It only mean just you.

It is not in the fleet based in the Pacific because it is for LITTRORAL defense. Omg, are you dumb or soemthing, th3 Navy even calls it a corvette. You friend PAF even calls it a corvette. Why are you sos stubborn. Below is the 7th fleet screenshot, you see any FRIGATES genius?

My Australian little baby is starting his "show time" here again.

Baby mullato is just bullshiting and nit answering shit. He claims all destroyers are paired with an LCS. LOLO

 

[jhungary]

Come to think of it, Maybe it wasn’t the LCS, and it was some kind of oceanographic research ship, because it was a pretty large two part room, one full of computers along the walls and another with the UUV launch wench and recovery system into a large square hole in the middle of the room to launch the UUV at an angle.

I can’t recall where on the LCS a room that size was located. It was probably the navy’s “whale ship”. The one with marine biologists “studying whale” by really doing sonar work.

It could be a LCS, LCS known to use UUV (like Knifefish) at the aft bay. But as far as I know that's on Independence, not Freedom. I need to ask my cousin who was in the Navy until before COVID, not sure if he will answer me that

Everybody calls it something else but you insist it is a frigate, the name LITTRORAL already explained to you it its form abd function. It is not even in any CBG fleet.

It is not in the fleet based in the Pacific because it is for LITTRORAL defense. Omg, are you dumb or soemthing, th3 Navy even calls it a corvette. You friend PAF even calls it a corvette. Why are you sos stubborn. Below is the 7th fleet screenshot, you see any FRIGATES genius?

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Again, the word "Littoral" does not mean anything, that's just the name, in fact, the Navy themselves had changed the designation of LCS into Frigate

Up Gunned LCS Hulls Picked for Navy’s Next Small Surface Combatant - USNI News

PENTAGON — The Navy will beef up the weapons, armor and sensors on its two existing classes of Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) in an answer to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s call for a tougher Small Surface Combatant (SSC), the Navy announced in a late Thursday briefing with reporters. The two...

news.usni.org

So yes, I do see Frigate.

Baby mullato is just bullshiting and nit answering shit. He claims all destroyers are paired with an LCS. LOLO

Ahhh yes, dishing insult seems to be your speciality, it may work in a playground, it does not work in any serious discussion.

 

[Han Patriot]

It could be a LCS, LCS known to use UUV (like Knifefish) at the aft bay. But as far as I know that's on Independence, not Freedom. I need to ask my cousin who was in the Navy until before COVID, not sure if he will answer me that



Again, the word "Littoral" does not mean anything, that's just the name, in factr, the Navy themselves had changed the designation of LCS into Frigate

Up Gunned LCS Hulls Picked for Navy’s Next Small Surface Combatant - USNI News

PENTAGON — The Navy will beef up the weapons, armor and sensors on its two existing classes of Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) in an answer to Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s call for a tougher Small Surface Combatant (SSC), the Navy announced in a late Thursday briefing with reporters. The two...

news.usni.org

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And yes, dishing insult seems to be your speciality, it may work in a playground, it does not work in any serious discussion.

If they were originally frigates, why do you need to do a NAME CHANGE? LOLOL. It specifically says 'modified' ones will be called frigates. So this essentially proves my point isn't it? Still in the 7th fleet factsheet, there is no mention of frigates, only cruisers and destroyers and proves my point, it is not paired with frigates. They are for littoral defense only, how the fck are they paired with an active blue water fleet?

Hey boy genius, mathematically you can't even pair 70 destroyers with 35 LCS? You were saying not all destroyers are operating all the time, th3 same can be said about your 'LCS' frigates too right?lolol. You are digging a deeper hole here mate. Show me how you pair 70 ships to 35 ships.

 

[jhungary]

If they were originally frigates, why do you need to do a NAME CHANGE? LOLOL

Genius, because we do have Frigate before 2015, just because you did this

Does not mean Oliver Hazard Perry Frigate does not exist.

Man, you really do like to argue, even when you are on the losing side, I mean, again, what they want to call it is what they want to call it, or you are suggesting the LCS is not a Frigate even if they were called one because they weren't called Frigate before.

But looking at you 死雞撐飯蓋 is certainly fun

For those of you who didn't count. @Han Patriot argument change from

There are no Frigate FOR A LONG TIME before LCS delivered in 2005 (above) - Which is false because US Navy had 71 OHP Class Frigate

Then his argument changed to there are no Frigate since 2015 when he was reminded OHP class exist - Which is false again as US Navy designated LCS serve as Frigate.

Then his argument then changed to LCS is not Frigate - Which is false once again as they were designated Frigate by Secretary of Navy since 2015 (Which mean the oriignal point is already false because USN would have OHP class between 1986-2015 and LCS, designated as Frigate from 2015 - onward)

Then his argument is disregard what Ray Mabus said, LCS is NOT frigate when it was not originally called Frigate . - Well, I will let you all be the judge of that.....

A lot of profanity, but sure as hell fun to watch him trying to move the goal post......

 

[Han Patriot]

Genius, because we do have Frigate before 2015, just because you did this

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Does not mean Oliver Hazard Perry Frigate does not exis

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Man, you really do like to argue, even when you are on the losing side, I mean, again, what they want to call it is what they want to call it, or you are suggesting the LCS is not a Frigate even if they were called one because they weren't called Frigate before.

But looking at you 死雞撐飯蓋 is certainly fun

I explained multiple times what i meant.

Please answer my question, how do you pair 70 ships with 35 ships? How do they operate together continously when one is for blue water and the other littoral?

So why a name change? It proves my point they were never frigates originally right? They fcked up the program and decided to rename it frigate to save face? Lololololol

 

[jhungary]

I explained multiple times what i meant.

Please answer my question, how do you pair 70 ships with 35 ships? How do they operate together continously when one is for blue water and the other littoral?

lol, you lost the right to ask any questions when you did this

For those of you who didn't count. @Han Patriot argument change from

There are no Frigate FOR A LONG TIME before LCS delivered in 2005 (above) - Which is false because US Navy had 71 OHP Class Frigate

Then his argument changed to there are no Frigate since 2015 when he was reminded OHP class exist - Which is false again as US Navy designated LCS serve as Frigate.

Then his argument then changed to LCS is not Frigate - Which is false once again as they were designated Frigate by Secretary of Navy since 2015 (Which mean the original point is already false because USN would have OHP class between 1986-2015 and LCS, designated as Frigate from 2015 - onward)

Then his argument is disregard what Ray Mabus said, LCS is NOT frigate when it was not originally called Frigate . - Well, I will let you all be the judge of that.....

A lot of profanity, but sure as hell fun to watch him trying to move the goal post......

In fact, are you even sure you want to stick to one point??

And if you don't know even destroyer did not pair up on Carrier on Carrier Battle Group 1 to 1.........and then you still ask the same question... Bruh. Carrier Battle group is not made up of 1 to 1 pairing, ie 1 Carrier to 1 Cruiser to 1 Destroyer to 1 Frigate to 1 Submarine. You do know that right? Seeing you said "It used to be Cruiser pairing up Destroyer"

 

[Han Patriot]

lol, you lost the right to ask any questions when you did this

For those of you who didn't count. @Han Patriot argument change from

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There are no Frigate FOR A LONG TIME before LCS delivered in 2005 (above) - Which is false because US Navy had 71 OHP Class Frigate

Then his argument changed to there are no Frigate since 2015 when he was reminded OHP class exist - Which is false again as US Navy designated LCS serve as Frigate.

Then his argument then changed to LCS is not Frigate - Which is false once again as they were designated Frigate by Secretary of Navy since 2015 (Which mean the oriignal point is already false because USN would have OHP class between 1986-2015 and LCS, designated as Frigate from 2015 - onward)

Then his argument is disregard what Ray Mabus said, LCS is NOT frigate when it was not originally called Frigate . - Well, I will let you all be the judge of that.....

A lot of profanity, but sure as hell fun to watch him trying to move the goal post......

In fact, are you even sure you want to stiick to one point??

And if you don't know even destroyer did not pair up on Carrier on Carrier Battle Group 1 to 1.........and then you still ask the same question... Bruh. Carrier Battle group is not made up of 1 to 1 pairing, ie 1 Carrier to 1 Cruiser to `1 Destroyer to 1 Frigate to 1 Subvmarine. You do know that right? Seeing you said "It used to be Cruiser pairing up Destroyer"

So where is this LCS 'frigate' in your 7th fleet factsheet? Hahahahah. How do you pair 70 ships or 90 of you include cruisers with 30 ships? When did I say cruisers pairing with destroyers? You were the pairing master not me man. Lol

 

[jhungary]

So where is this LCS 'frigate' in your 7th fleet factsheet? Hahahahah

Ask Ray Mabus

 

[Han Patriot]

Ask Ray Mabus

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Where does it say it is in the 7th fleet? I don't see it in the factsheet mate.
Can't even find it in wiki. Lol.

You still have not answered me how a littoral ship is going to operate with a blue water navy. How you pair 70/90 ships if you include cruisers with 30 LCS? How do they even operate in tandem. And yet you proclaim 054B is inadequate because it needs to be paired. Lolol

United States Seventh Fleet - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[jhungary]

Where does it say it is in the 7th fleet? I don't see it in the factsheet mate.
Can't even find it in wiki. Lol

United States Seventh Fleet - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

LOL

How about USNI??

Six Littoral Combat Ships to Deploy by Year's End as Navy Continues to Refine Operations - USNI News

The Navy will have six Littoral Combat Ships deployed by the end of the year – a record for the program, several Navy officials have confirmed to USNI News. Later this year, two Independence-class LCS will join USS Tulsa (LCS-16) and USS Charleston (LCS-18) in the Western Pacific. The two ships...

news.usni.org

lol, WRONG YET AGAIN............- But meh, I ain't surprise.......Please, do tell me more.......It's very fun to bust you up dude....

This one is for @Han Patriot - In case you are doing your "Han Job" and ask how about 2,3,4,5,6 fleet

LCS in 3rd Fleet

Littoral Combat Ship USS Gabrielle Giffords Quietly Ends Western Pacific Deployment - USNI News

KUALA LUMPUR — Littoral Combat Ship USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10) has completed its deployment in the Indo-Pacific region and is now assigned to the U.S Navy’s 3rd Fleet, USNI News has learned. U.S Indo-Pacific Command had posted two tweets on its Twitter account on Oct. 6, the first stating...

news.usni.org

LCS in 4th Fleet

Littoral combat ships in Mayport make the most of a year of restricted operations

The LCSs operating out of Mayport faced some restrictions while the Navy engineered a solution to their combining gear flaws, but the LCS Squadron commander says they've made the most of that time and established their role in the fleet.

www.defensenews.com

LCS in 5th Fleet

Cooper: LCS Deploying to U.S. 5th Fleet in 2022 - Seapower

ARLINGTON, Va. — The long-planned forward deployment of littoral combat ships to the Persian Gulf is approaching execution, with the anticipated first deployment of an LCS to the U.S. 5th Fleet, the fleet commander said. Vice Adm. Brad Cooper, commander,...

seapowermagazine.org

And you asked "Where is LCS in 7th Fleet?" lol. Please do call me Mulatto., Because you are just BEATEN by a Mulatto...lol

 

[Han Patriot]

LOL

How about USNI??

Six Littoral Combat Ships to Deploy by Year's End as Navy Continues to Refine Operations - USNI News

The Navy will have six Littoral Combat Ships deployed by the end of the year – a record for the program, several Navy officials have confirmed to USNI News. Later this year, two Independence-class LCS will join USS Tulsa (LCS-16) and USS Charleston (LCS-18) in the Western Pacific. The two ships...

news.usni.org

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lol, WRONG YET AGAIN............- But meh, I ain't surprise.......Please, do tell me more.......It's very fun to bust you up dude....

Then show me in the factsheet? I can't find the mention of frigates. How many frigates to destroyers? How do they pair up?

Are you sure the LCS is in the carrier strike group 5 of the 7th fleet? Lolol

Carrier Strike Group 5 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Dumb dumb, that's the reason i asked you hoe littoral vessels can operate in tandem with a carrier fleet. You don't know in the 7th fleet the CSG don't operate with the LCS? The gist of my argument is where is the pairing. We went a bug spin for nothing. First a LCS had a name change to frigate, fine, but you are not answering the question, how does each destroyer get paired with LCS when the numbers don't even add up? They are not in the same CSG 5 of the 7th fleet. They don't even operate together normally.