China’s New Type 054B Frigates Break Cover At Two Shipyards

[jhungary]

Yup the last oliver perry was decommissioned in 2015, you have like 90 destroyers? So essentially you had no frigates in the fleet. 2015 to 2023 is roughly 10 years mate. LCS are not operating in the 7th fleet mate, it is used for littoral mission near US continental shore. How do you get the pairing? Lolol

Again, I missed the Navy screen cap before (Thought I posted it but I was laughing so hard on your comment on OHP Class)

LCS runs on both AGG and CSG according to the Navy, unless you are saying this Navy Fact Sheet is wrong, then...

Littoral Combat Ships - Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Mission Package

The Littoral Combat Ship is a fast, agile and networked surface combatant optimized for operating in the littorals. The primary missions for the LCS include countering diesel submarine threats,

www.navy.mil

And what's operating with the 7th fleet have anything to do with being operate with or independently of CSG and ARG? Or they don't operate with 7th fleet (which I don't know if that is true or not because I don't think I can just take what you said of value) mean they are not operating with Carrier Strike Group??Or is this another OHP Class Frigate thing you are going on about??

 

[FuturePAF]

Maybe the constellation will take on some of the “Arsenal Ship” roles, carrying Tomahawks and LRASMs (or their follow on missiles) in some of their cells to ease the role on the AB’s so they can carry more mission specific armaments. This could also become the role for the PLAN with the Type 054Bs and Type 052DLs, especially if they use the same VLS cells.

Also, perhaps the Type 054Bs and Type 052DLs will see and increase in their VLS counts if the designs get updated as missions get more well defined outside of the first island chain. Although it doesn’t seem these ships are large enough to see an increase in their VLS counts and China may just build more ships and more ships in the Type 055 class.

Although on the other hand the Type 054B design is not set in stone yet and could be modified to make it large enough to hold 48 VLS. Also the updates on the type 054B could be applied to the Type 052DL to create a Type 052E class and increase VLS count from 64 VLS cells to 96 (by removing the large radar in the center and creating room for another 32 VLS cells). Even the Type 055A could see its VLS count increase to 128 to match the number in the South Korean variant of the AB.

 

[Han Patriot]

Again, I missed the Navy screen cap before (Thought I posted it but I was laughing so hard on your comment on OHP Class)

LCS runs on both AGG and CSG according to the Navy, unless you are saying this Navy Fact Sheet is wrong, then...

Littoral Combat Ships - Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) Mission Package

The Littoral Combat Ship is a fast, agile and networked surface combatant optimized for operating in the littorals. The primary missions for the LCS include countering diesel submarine threats,

www.navy.mil

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And what's operating with the 7th fleet have anything to do with being operate with or independently of CSG and ARG? Or they don't operate with 7th fleet (which I don't know if that is true or not because I don't think I can just take what you said of value) mean they are not operating with Carrier Strike Group??Or is this another OHP Class Frigate thing you are going on about??

So it means when it operates, there is no paring dumbfck. US CBG fleets don't operate with LCS unless there is some. Exercise, it is KNOWN as littoral for a reason. It is for near shore defense idiot. I don't even know what you are laughing about. It is known fact US don't operate frigates for a long time. So there goes your dumbfck Burke pair with LCS idiocy. They don't even operate in the same fcking fleet.

 

[jhungary]

How many VLS would you say would be adequate for the ASW role for the Type 054B and why?

What is a typical load out for an Arleigh Burke with 96 cells in the ASW role?

Typically 8+ VLS space are reserved for ASW target, but as I said, most of these duty is done by smaller ship and Romeo, so that number may not have been accurate.

Depends on the mission profile, there are 32 VLS on a Type 054B, which mean a part of them (most likely half) would be chambered with HJ-12 or whatever Chinese version of SM and then you look at the ASM role, would it be enough for just 32 to take care of almost everything without the help of other dedicated platform? I would doubt so.

So it means when it operates, there is no paring dumbfck. US CBG fleets don't operate with LCS unless there is some. Exercise, it is KNOWN as littoral for a reason. It is for near shore defense idiot. I don't even know what you are laughing about. It is known fact US don't operate frigates for a long time.

You do know what "support" mean? Right? It mean it was pair to a Carrier group to either work as a support role or work independently.

Or how exactly do you think a LCS can work ASW for CSG when they are not in the vicinity paired up with said CSG? Yes, LCS can support a CSG 500 mile away without ever pairing up with a CSG.......right.....Just because it was called "Littoral" it does not mean they cannot go into high sea.....

Dude, you are not making any sense......

 

[Han Patriot]

You do know what "support" mean? Right? It mean it was pair to a Carrier group to either work as a support role or work independently.

Or how exactly do you think a LCS can work ASW for CSG when they are not in the vicinity paired up with said CSG? Yes, LCS can support a CSG 500 mile away without ever pairing up with a CSG.......right.....Just because it was called "Littoral" it does not mean they cannot go into high sea.....

Dude, you are not making any sense......

LCS is not a Frigate, understand? And US fleet does not operate with LCS at all. LCS sometimes join in for exercises but it's primary role is littoral defense. Shit you are dumb.

So how the fxk you ffking pair one destroyer and one frigate for USN when they are not even in the same fcking fleet, it has been US doctrine to concentrate on Burkes in CBG. Damn you are thick. Any tom dick and Harry knows this but you still want to argue. 48 %.. Lol

 

[jhungary]

LCS is not a Frigate, understand? And US fleet does not operate with LCS at all. So how the fxk you ffking pair ome destroyer and one frigate for USN, it has been US doctrine to concentrate on Burkes in CBG. Damn you are thick. Any tom dick and Harry knows this but you still want to argue. 48 %.. Lol

Sure, whatever dude. You say it's not a frigate then it's not.

Even tho they are the same size, same ton carry the same weapon, and carry the same sensor and doing literally the same job. And LCS cannot accompanied CSG for deployment even tho the Navy said they are to provide CSG ASW support.

Whatever float your boat man.

And the insult at the end only make you look desperate....LOL

LOL, this is just pure gold

 

[Han Patriot]

Sure, whatever dude. You say it's not a frigate then it's not.

Even tho they are the same size, same ton carry the same weapon, and carry the same sensor and doing literally the same job. And LCS cannot accompanied CSG for deployment even tho the Navy said they are to provide CSG ASW support.

Whatever float your boat man.

And the insult at the end only make you look desperate....LOL

Yes argue with this article. Calling you stupid is not an insult, it is a complement for you 48%.lolol

 

[FuturePAF]

Typically 8+ VLS space are reserved for ASW target, but as I said, most of these duty is done by smaller ship and Romeo, so that number may not have been accurate.

Depends on the mission profile, there are 32 VLS on a Type 054B, which mean a part of them (most likely half) would be chambered with HJ-12 or whatever Chinese version of SM and then you look at the ASM role, would it be enough for just 32 to take care of almost everything without the help of other dedicated platform? I would doubt so.


You do know what "support" mean? Right? It mean it was pair to a Carrier group to either work as a support role or work independently.

Or how exactly do you think a LCS can work ASW for CSG when they are not in the vicinity paired up with said CSG? Yes, LCS can support a CSG 500 mile away without ever pairing up with a CSG.......right.....Just because it was called "Littoral" it does not mean they cannot go into high sea.....

Dude, you are not making any sense......

So would you say 48 cell could be an adequate VLS count? Especially if China fields a quad pack missile like the ESSM?

 

[jhungary]

Yes argue with this article. Calling you stupid is not an insult, it is a complement for you 48%.lolol
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Yes, 2015 to 2023 indeed is a VERY LONG TIME. Several War has come and pass even if we agree the Littoral Combat ship does not act like Frigate.

lol

You specifically said "BEFORE THAT" there are no Frigate for a long time........

Yes, you are right, and OHP Class does not exist in 2005 and *Before that*

So would you say 48 cell could be an adequate VLS count? Especially if China fields a quad pack missile like the ESSM?

I would say it really depends on the use.

You need to look at what the Chinese Destroyer is for, as I said before, you cannot carry all the weapon in war, so you need to dump it on some of the escort, which mean say if the Destroyer is tasked for Ground Strike, they may carry SAM and SSM and the Frigate would have to take the blunt on ASW duty.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yes, 2015 to 2023 indeed is a VERY LONG TIME. Several War has come and pass even if we agree the Littoral Combat ship does not act like Frigate.

lol

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You specifically said "BEFORE THAT" there are no Frigate for a long time........

Yes, you are right, and OHP Class does not exist in 2005 and *Before that*


I would say it really depends on the use.

You need to look at what the Chinese Destroyer is for, as I said before, you cannot carry all the weapon in war, so you need to dump it on some of the escort, which mean say if the Destroyer is tasked for Ground Strike, they may carry SAM and SSM and the Frigate would have to take the blunt on ASW duty.

LCS is not a frigate. And when i said before that, i meant before constellation class construction started. You still haven't answered me about pairing in a different fleet mate. Lol

 

[jhungary]

LCS is not a frigate. And when i said before that, i meant before constellation class construction started. You still haven't answered me about pairing in a different fleet mate. Lol

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Well, you say US does not have a Frigate BEFORE LCS, ie Before 2005

Just because you are blind doesn't mean everyone else is blind, what you said is clearly displayed here.

I mean even if I give you LCS is not Frigate, that's still an L no matter how you look at it.

 

[Han Patriot]

Well, you say US does not have a Frigate BEFORE LCS, ie Before 2005

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Just because you are blind doesn't mean everyone else is blind, what you said is clearly displayed here.

I mean even if I give you LCS is not Frigate, that's still an L no matter how you look at it.

Whatever genius, you get my point, the point is US had not been operating frigates for nearly a decade. Stop changing the topic and divert attention, how does LCS pair with Burkes when they are not frigates nor are they in the same fleet? Lolol. You keep on saying 054B is inadequate because it needs to be paired with 052Ds to counter Burkes, now let's turn the logic with Burkes vs 055s, you said all Burkes are paired with frigates when US had none until the first Constellations are ready. Answer this genius! Lololol

 

[GreatHanWarrior]

My Australian little baby is starting his "show time" here again.

 

[jhungary]

Whatever genius, you get my point, the point is US had not been operating frigates for nearly a decade. Stop changing the topic and divert attention, how does LCS pair with Burkes when they are not frigates nor are they in the same fleet? Lolol. You keep on saying 054B is inadequate because it needs to be paired with 052Ds to counter Burkes, now let's turn the logic with Burkes vs 055s, you said all Burkes are paired with frigates when US had none until the first Constellations are ready. Answer this genius! Lololol

lol, I don't because you clearly said BEFORE 2005 US does not have any Frigate

That's exactly what you said, tell me what else can it meant?

And lololol. I quote a US Navy Fact sheet about LCS being a part of CSG group, and you still say Burke don't pair up with them as part of CSG, yeah, sure, LCS are in San Diego providing the 7th fleet with ASW capability when they are in South China sea lol

I mean just because you are stupid does not mean everyone is. It only mean just you.

 

[FuturePAF]

The LCS, is basically a mine warfare ship, UUV mothership, and littoral ASW platform. Akin to the Type 056A Corvettes of the PLAN.

I got to tour a freedom class ship and these aluminum tin cans were barely armed above the level of a coast guard ship.

In hostile waters they could act like little scout ships under the air defense protection of a AB destroyer. Kind of like the Visby class corvettes of Sweden, but not stealthy.

The USN needs better and more stealthy corvettes if it wasn’t to fight in the littorals and might as well try to build a sea going version of the Visby. At only 650 tons and fast, it’s the right size as a modern day PT boat for the littorals of the Indo-Pacific, IMHO, which is probably why Indonesia get something in a similar size.