China’s military rise matter of concern: Naval commanders

[GumNaam]

Are you dumb...I'm talking about how US ditched Pak during times of need, denying weapons systems, halting or refusing additional equipment and stuff. This is probably the main reason why India didn't go with the F-16s even though they were offering significant ToT and localized production of the latest Block. Also, MoD decided not to procure any major defence systems from the US since they're unrealible during war times, particularly if our actions are against their interests

and yet, india went for the french who easily get arm twisted by the americans. brilliant!

 

[hyperman]

A navy with 2 operational 65000tons aircraft carrier and 30 destroyers and 54 frigates plus plenty of auxiliary ships. Only a fool will think it can't project power in Mediterranean, India ocean and Pacific ocean.

don't fool yourself. China has little to no forward operating bases, its a littoral navy, not a blue water navy, and that has been the PLAN doctrine. your bootleg Ukrainian carrier doesnt have a powerplant that can sustain it without refueling. you have no experience operating aircraft carriers, and at sustained deployment. You cant even get through the Singapore Strait w/o having to go through an american forward operating base. figure out how to get out of the First island chain, before you dream of comical things like challenging NATO in its own backyard..

 

[Beast]

don't fool yourself. China has little to no forward operating bases, its a littoral navy, not a blue water navy, and that has been the PLAN doctrine. your bootleg Ukrainian carrier doesnt have a powerplant that can sustain it without refueling. you have no experience operating aircraft carriers, and at sustained deployment. You cant even get through the Singapore Strait w/o having to go through an american forward operating base. figure out how to get out of the First island chain, before you dream of comical things like challenging NATO in its own backyard..

I can bet you have little knowledge of real navy ops. It's better u keep quiet and stop embarrassing yourself. Even during WWII Japan carrier without not so much forward bases, still able to carry out a massive strike in pear harbour. Not to mention in 2019. Do you even know what is replenishment ship?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_901_fast_combat_support_ship

The Type 901 is estimated to have a 45,000 ton displacement[4] and a beam of 31.5 metres.[6] The ship is powered by four QC280 gas turbines, each delivering 28 MW, for maximum speed of about 25 kt; the speed is necessary to keep up with carriers.[4] The Type 901 is more than twice the size of the preceding Type 903A and significantly faster.[4][7]

The Type 901 appears to be designed with similar missions to the Supply-class fast combat support ship[8] which is to keep large surface action groups supplied.

Best of all PLAN has demonstrated they are capable of buddy buddy refuelling even out at sea, ensuring further combat range when needed. Something even Soviet or Russia has not demonstrated during kutnezov carrier.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1142845.shtml

Finally, turkey is a dispensable members of NATO. Christian NATO will side with Greece rather than turkey. They even condemn turkey for meddling in Libya. NATO would be more than happy if China decide to teach turkey a lesson to mind their business. And only idiots believe US and western Europe will attack PLAN ships transit thru Singapore strait without triggering WWIII.

Why would US and Christian Europe died for a Muslim turkey? Please face up the reality. Turkey is alone.

 

[Zapper]

and yet, india went for the french who easily get arm twisted by the americans. brilliant!

Unlike UK or Germany, French is more independent of it's foreign policy. No wonder France opted outta the EFT coalition and chose to develop the Rafale independent of American or other EU components to a large extent.

Though US may try to influence France if that scenario ever comes, I'm sure France would strongly resist and push back. Infact, US policies are also largely influenced by the Jewish lobby who are our strongest allies. Going with French systems is better than directly going with American weapons. Most recent example is Turkey in regards to the S400-F35 debacle

 

[Nike]

Turkey will tie US, UK & France down in the Mediterranean, North Africa and Middle East.

Pakistan will take care of India.

Malaysia will take care of Indonesia, Vietnam & Philippines.

China will take care of Japan, Australia and any residual US forces.

Malaysia will be crushed when facing us alone!!!

 

[GumNaam]

Unlike UK or Germany, French is more independent of it's foreign policy. No wonder France opted outta the EFT coalition and chose to develop the Rafale independent of American or other EU components to a large extent.

Though US may try to influence France if that scenario ever comes, I'm sure France would strongly resist and push back. Infact, US policies are also largely influenced by the Jewish lobby who are our strongest allies. Going with French systems is better than directly going with American weapons. Most recent example is Turkey in regards to the S400-F35 debacle

the Jewish lobby is NO ONE'S "strong ally". they are only there to use you like toilet paper & flush you down the toilet. french have succumbed to american pressure numerous amounts of times. and in case you haven't noticed, your the only browny in this so called alliance...NONE of em will risk their necks to help a browny out that they intend to sacrifice off in the first place. don't forget the deafening silence & aloofness of your so called "strategic partner" during & after Feb 27th when you got humiliated & then some.

wake up & realize your place...KOI NAHI AYE GA TUMHARA PICHVAARR BACHA NAY!

 

[hyperman]

I can bet you have little knowledge of real navy ops. It's better u keep quiet and stop embarrassing yourself. Even during WWII Japan carrier without not so much forward bases, still able to carry out a massive strike in pear harbour. Not to mention in 2019. Do you even know what is replenishment ship?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_901_fast_combat_support_ship

The Type 901 is estimated to have a 45,000 ton displacement[4] and a beam of 31.5 metres.[6] The ship is powered by four QC280 gas turbines, each delivering 28 MW, for maximum speed of about 25 kt; the speed is necessary to keep up with carriers.[4] The Type 901 is more than twice the size of the preceding Type 903A and significantly faster.[4][7]

The Type 901 appears to be designed with similar missions to the Supply-class fast combat support ship[8] which is to keep large surface action groups supplied.

Best of all PLAN has demonstrated they are capable of buddy buddy refuelling even out at sea, ensuring further combat range when needed. Something even Soviet or Russia has not demonstrated during kutnezov carrier.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1142845.shtml

Finally, turkey is a dispensable members of NATO. Christian NATO will side with Greece rather than turkey. They even condemn turkey for meddling in Libya. NATO would be more than happy if China decide to teach turkey a lesson to mind their business. And only idiots believe US and western Europe will attack PLAN ships transit thru Singapore strait without triggering WWIII.

Why would US and Christian Europe died for a Muslim turkey? Please face up the reality. Turkey is alone.

you really are a clown if you think Fast combat support ships are a replacement for Forward operating bases and naval facilities. my god, you really are dumb, thinking the PLAN has any possibility of operating in Mediterranean waters, in NATO's backyard, and you have the nerve to talk about knoledge of Naval Ops? China has no controls over the Singapore straits or the suez, or the red sea. no presence in the arabian sea. please stop embarrassing yourself, you cant function outside First island chain. Not to mention you have no allies in the Mediterranean, but somehow despite all that you think any chinese naval presence can be sustained there, absolute comedy.

Also, lol at the Anti Turkish rant im not even Turkish, check the flairs before posting silly boy. And NATO's founding principle of collective defense is very much very active, an attack on one member is an attack on all members, The United States will defend every member of NATO, as we expect them to defend us, like they did when we were attacked on 9/11 and all the members took part in operations in Afghanistan.

 

[Zapper]

the Jewish lobby is NO ONE'S "strong ally". they are only there to use you like toilet paper & flush you down the toilet. french have succumbed to american pressure numerous amounts of times. and in case you haven't noticed, your the only browny in this so called alliance...NONE of em will risk their necks to help a browny out that they intend to sacrifice off in the first place. don't forget the deafening silence & aloofness of your so called "strategic partner" during & after Feb 27th when you got humiliated & then some.

wake up & realize your place...KOI NAHI AYE GA TUMHARA PICHVAARR BACHA NAY!

 

[beijingwalker]

The United States will defend every member of NATO, as we expect them to defend us, like they did when we were attacked on 9/11 and all the members took part in operations in Afghanistan.

You wishful thingking, what if US naval was no longer a clear dominant power in world? What is Greece and Turkey go to war, which side US will support? Besides, US has a bad track record when it comes to support treaty bound allies, in 1974, US treaty bound ally south Vietnam was under attacke in Paracel islands and pleaded for help to the nearby US seventh fleet, but US just sat around and watched their ally burn and sink to the bottom and the sea.

The South Vietnamese fleet also received warnings that U.S. Navy radar had detected additional Chinese guided missile frigates and aircraft on their way from Hainan.

South Vietnam requested assistance from the U.S. Seventh Fleet, but the request was denied.[6][7]

 

[hyperman]

What is Greece and Turkey go to war, which side US will support?

they arent going to go to war. Both have been NATO members for a long time, their problems are well known even before they joined NATO, we have managed to mediate between the two and temper the problems. We didnt have a collective defense treaty with South Vietnam, like we do with NATO members and Article 51, and we had withdrawn from that theatre in 1973.

 

[beijingwalker]

they arent going to go to war. Both have been NATO members for a long time, their problems are well known even before they joined NATO, we have managed to mediate between the two and temper the problems. We didnt have a collective defense treaty with South Vietnam, like we do with NATO members and Article 51, and we had withdrawn from that theatre in 1973.

South Vietnam itself was set up by US just like what US did in South Korea, US doesn't even care about their stepsons, let alone so called friends.

 

[macnurv]

lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep, so gangus can keep on whining. That is what they are good at.

 

[hyperman]

South Vietnam itself was set up by US just like what US did in South Korea, US doesn't even care about their stepsons, let alone so called friends.

I love how the conversation has changed from discussing the silly musings of the PLAN operating in the Mediterranean to south Vietnam, if you ask most americans, they would not be in favor of even intervening there in the first place, it was a mistake, and the fact that vietnam is an ally today against china, is proof of the unnecessariness of ever intervening.. the real comedy is in how badly the Chinese have managed to have essentially make every state they border be either openly hostile to or wary of them(with the exception of the client state in Pakistan). there is probably no other country on the planet today that is more hostile to the chinese and their foreign policy than vietnam.

And bro, Im still waiting on you to post about 天安门大屠杀 on Weibo. lol

 

[beijingwalker]

I love how the conversation has changed from discussing the silly musings of the PLAN operating in the Mediterranean to south Vietnam, if you ask most americans, they would not be in favor of even intervening there in the first place, it was a mistake, and the fact that vietnam is an ally today against china, is proof of the unnecessariness of ever intervening.. the real comedy is in how badly the Chinese have managed to have essentially make every state they border be either openly hostile to or wary of them(with the exception of the client state in Pakistan). there is probably no other country on the planet today that is more hostile to the chinese and their foreign policy than vietnam.

And bro, Im still waiting on you to post about 天安门大屠杀 on Weibo. lol

China has 14 neighbors, most of them have very good relations with China, your claim that China has problem with most of her neigbors is another example of lying. Based on global poll, US was the greatest threat to the world peace, not China.

In total, China borders 14 other countries:

• On the northern border, China borders (west to east) Kazakhstan, Mongolia, and Russia.
• To the west, China shares boundaries with (north to south) Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
• The southern border of China is shared with (west to east) India, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar (Burma), Laos, and Vietnam.
• On the eastern border, China's neighbor is North Korea (and, again, Russia).

There is no 天安门大屠杀, not even one person died in Tiananmen square, some casualties outside the square, but not many, I m from Beijing and I know it for a fact, so why I need to post a lie, it's just a western fantasy.

 

[Minho]

he should probably take his own advice, because many Pakistanis believe Pakistan is actually relevant in global affairs when it is actually used a piece of toilet paper for US/NATO/China.