China's conditional promise on Outer Mongolia

[sinait]

The Singapore government supports the western position of a few old white men in a Dutch wooden house claiming that China does not own the South China Sea.

China and Taiwan resolutely opposes the stupid western view.

China and Taiwan insists on the Chinese claim of sovereignty to the South China Sea from the Han Dynasty onwards.

Singapore is not Chinese. No Chinese would give up China's historical right to the South China Sea.

Singapore is a pro-western lackey and it is merely a little Japan.
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Singapore is propped up by the United States. Singapore's importance is only limited as a puppet of the US government to air anti-China views from people with Chinese DNA.

The rise of China was caused by Taiwan's technologies. Taiwan has over 150,000 USPTO patents. Singapore has no meaningful USPTO patents or technology companies.

Taiwan was responsible for China's development, not Singapore.

I support China's view regarding the South China Sea.
Taiwan may have contributed more than Singapore but it is disappointing to hear you brush away our contribution towards China's progress especially in governance, where China sent more than 50,000 of their mayors and officials here for training.
Very sad if this is how a future strong China will treat her old friends.
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[Jlaw]

Show aggression close to Russia border when you are in a war with the US, and watch how quickly Russia and US re-approach each other. Remember, there is no permanent friends or enemy, only interests. Russia might not be the power of that it was, but to defend against the US, China would need the cooperation from Russia, especially access to energy, without which taking the whole of Mongolia would not help. Do you just want China to be surrounded by enemies?

The vote was held after Russia took Crimea.

China can hold a vote afterwards too.

Let's take Outer Mongolia first and worry about the election later.

In war all is fair. It is true there are a lot of inferior Chinese people and overseas Chinese which only care about the opinions of other white people. This is a definition of a beta male syndrome that is prevalent in East Asia due to watching too many gay Korean dramas and licking white balls. Alpha males do things because they want to, regardless of what others think and do not need to justify their actions

 

[Zsari]

The vote was held after Russia took Crimea.

China can hold a vote afterwards too.

Let's take Outer Mongolia first and worry about the election later.

Yes, take Mongolia, and see if can get an election going. Like I've said, you'll be fighting insurgence as the population is vehemently anti-China. Crimea had an overwhelming Russian majority with little affinity towards Ukraine. Most importantly, Russia taking Crimea does not present a direct threat to US or China, that it is merely a counter move against US instigated Ukraine coup. It's an act of weakness rather than strength, or Russia would have taken Ukraine back. Now if Russia was to annex Mongolia, the consequences will be considerably different.

In war all is fair. It is true there are a lot of inferior Chinese people and overseas Chinese which only care about the opinions of other white people. This is a definition of a beta male syndrome that is prevalent in East Asia due to watching too many gay Korean dramas and licking white balls. Alpha males do things because they want to, regardless of what others think and do not need to justify their actions

All is fair, and when you are the underdog trying to behave like the alpha male, you'll just get yourself killed.
兵者，国之大事，死生之地，存亡之道，不可不察也

 

[RowdyRathore]

Putin would easily let you claim Mongolia? these 50c Chinese are dreaming night & day... it'd only worse you're only so called business friendship with Russia

 

[Martian2]

Yes, take Mongolia, and see if can get an election going. Like I've said, you'll be fighting insurgence as the population is vehemently anti-China. Crimea had an overwhelming Russian majority with little affinity towards Ukraine. Most importantly, Russia taking Crimea does not present a direct threat to US or China, that it is merely a counter move against US instigated Ukraine coup. It's an act of weakness rather than strength, or Russia would have taken Ukraine back. Now if Russia was to annex Mongolia, the consequences will be considerably different.



All is fair, and when you are the underdog trying to behave like the alpha male, you'll just get yourself killed.
兵者，国之大事，死生之地，存亡之道，不可不察也

Israel has a population of six million Jews.

Israel controls 1.7 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Israel controls another 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank.

In total, six million Jews control 4.2 million hostile Palestinians.

Yet, you (Zsari) are claiming 1.4 billion Han Chinese can't control 3 million Outer Mongolians.

Are you an idiot?

You need to stop making these dumb arguments, because the real world shows that you are clearly wrong.

 

[leviathan]

The vote was held after Russia took Crimea.

China can hold a vote afterwards too.

Let's take Outer Mongolia first and worry about the election later.

I use to think like you. Conquer the Mongolia and take this or that. But after years of reading forums, my view changed a lot. Why we want occupy Mongolia? Mongolia should be the last place China wants to touch maybe even after occupy New Zealand. There is almost ZERO benefit of doing that beside the map look bigger...
1. Mongolia is a landlocked country, it's not like Taiwan, which holding a huge strategic value. It produce zero threat.
2. Mongolia outputs all their poor resources to China already. (Cheaper or same Price as we mining in China) It's like getting resources from your own territory.
3. Mongolia provides a buffer zone between China and Russia. So Russia can focus on west instead of worry his barren east.
4. China is big enough, lets build and develop every inch of it before we acquire more shitty place that have a million of people that living under the poverty line. Let them play with their own shit.

 

[oprih]

The so-called anti-Chinese sentiments in outer mongolia is thanks to cia meddling and corrupt government officials being bought by the westerners. It's time for China to bitchslap all these fuckers by taking back outer mongolia and reeducating the brainwashed outer mongolians.

 

[Martian2]

I use to think like you. Conquer the Mongolia and take this or that. But after years of reading forums, my view changed a lot. Why we want occupy Mongolia? Mongolia should be the last place China wants to touch maybe even after occupy New Zealand. There is almost ZERO benefit of doing that beside the map look bigger...
1. Mongolia is a landlocked country, it's not like Taiwan, which holding a huge strategic value. It produce zero threat.
2. Mongolia outputs all their poor resources to China already. (Cheaper or same Price as we mining in China) It's like getting resources from your own territory.
3. Mongolia provides a buffer zone between China and Russia. So Russia can focus on west instead of worry his barren east.
4. China is big enough, lets build and develop every inch of it before we acquire more shitty place that have a million of people that living under the poverty line. Let them play with their own shit.

Oh please, spare me your white-man views.

There are two ways of looking at the world.

1. The white man is always right. China is evil and all of China's historical claims are invalid.

2. Team China. We fight for China's historical territories and we set the record straight.

It's obvious that you're just another white wannabe. I could care less about your attempt to push the white man's agenda to dominate the world for the last 500 years.

 

[Zsari]

Israel has a population of six million Jews.

Israel controls 1.7 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Israel controls another 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank.

In total, six million Jews control 4.2 million hostile Palestinians.

Yet, you (Zsari) are claiming 1.4 billion Han Chinese can't control 3 million Outer Mongolians.

Are you an idiot?

You need to stop making these dumb arguments, because the real world shows that you are clearly wrong.

You are fighting a war with the US remember, and you want to fight the Russians, and an Mongolian insurgence. Sure Isreal can take lands from the Arabs, but they aren't doing it while at war with the US or Russia let alone both. The real world situation is that if China is ever in a war with the US, it'll need Russia at the very least not stab you in the back, that your access through central asia to the middle east is unhindered, and your northern and western border be as secure and stable as possible. Open up multiple fronts with additional enemies is simply suicide. If China ever want to take Mongolia back, it'll need to do a 180 in foreign politics, align itself with the US and pressure Russia.
腹背受敌亡国之道。

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are fighting a war with the US remember, and you want to fight the Russians, and an Mongolian insurgence. Sure Isreal can take lands from the Arabs, but they aren't doing it while at war with the US or Russia let alone both. The real world situation is that if China is ever in a war with the US, it'll need Russia at the very least not stab you in the back, that your access through central asia to the middle east is unhindered, and your northern and western border be as secure and stable as possible. Open up multiple fronts with additional enemies is simply suicide. If China ever want to take Mongolia back, it'll need to do a 180 in foreign politics, align itself with the US and pressure Russia.
腹背受敌亡国之道。

Russia doesn't give a crap about those Outer Mongolians, and you are talking like Russia would go berserk for Outer Mongolia just like it did for Ukraine.

The Outer Mongolia as a buffer zone was firstly created by Josef Stalin because in the 1940s, there was no nuclear weapons, so USSR had to make sure that the Outer Mongolia to serve as a buffer zone in order to secure their supply line in Siberia. But today's geopolitical landscape is entirely different, both China and Russia are mature nuclear powers who kept other under check, and the Outer Mongolia is not Russia's core interest like Ukraine, so you are overestimating Russia's reaction.

BTW, Russia can have Ukraine in its pocket, so does China have with Outer Mongolia, but for the peacetime, China would just leave Outer Mongolia alone, but can reclaim whenever it wants as @Martian2 suggested here.

 

[Beast]

Can someone shed some light on what happened after the Yuan dynasty (Mongols) were defeated by the Ming and how was Mongolia incorporated into China?

Mongolia was conquered by Manchuria when Ming Dynasty still exists. In fact, the large territories of current China need a thanks to Manchu who unify a large empire. But Manchu turn themselves into Hans by giving up their language and adopt a heavily Hans culture and practices. There are less than 1000 Manchu speakers and nobody practice Manchu culture in China. Manchu assimilate into Hans and they are history.

Israel has a population of six million Jews.

Israel controls 1.7 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Israel controls another 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank.

In total, six million Jews control 4.2 million hostile Palestinians.

Yet, you (Zsari) are claiming 1.4 billion Han Chinese can't control 3 million Outer Mongolians.

Are you an idiot?

You need to stop making these dumb arguments, because the real world shows that you are clearly wrong.

Calm down Martian. In modern times, direct exert control on a sovereign nation is an outdated method.

See below article on how China indirectly controlling outer Mongolia.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...a-over-dalai-lama-s-visit-116122200192_1.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-lesson-after-dalai-lama-visit-idUSKBN158197

 

[8888888888888]

No good excuse to take outer Mongolia yet, need to wait until they do something really stupid for that to happen.

 

[Huan]

I use to think like you. Conquer the Mongolia and take this or that. But after years of reading forums, my view changed a lot. Why we want occupy Mongolia? Mongolia should be the last place China wants to touch maybe even after occupy New Zealand. There is almost ZERO benefit of doing that beside the map look bigger...
1. Mongolia is a landlocked country, it's not like Taiwan, which holding a huge strategic value. It produce zero threat.
2. Mongolia outputs all their poor resources to China already. (Cheaper or same Price as we mining in China) It's like getting resources from your own territory.
3. Mongolia provides a buffer zone between China and Russia. So Russia can focus on west instead of worry his barren east.
4. China is big enough, lets build and develop every inch of it before we acquire more shitty place that have a million of people that living under the poverty line. Let them play with their own shit.

No country today should be considered big enough or not. Just look at Russia who is the largest country in land size in the world, but with only a population of about 144 million people. It is about those with power who makes the rules of right and wrong like the major Western powers did in the 1700's-to-the-present. In this century, I think it will be the great big test of whether China will be able to build a strong enough economy and military power to withstand any reactionary shocks in taking back Mongolia. China just needs to get really really strong and powerful and sustainable as much as possible. Right @Martian2 ?

 

[Martian2]

No country today should be considered big enough or not. Just look at Russia who is the largest country in land size in the world, but with only a population of about 144 million people. It is about those with power who makes the rules of right and wrong like the major Western powers did in the 1700's-to-the-present. In this century, I think it will be the great big test of whether China will be able to build a strong enough economy and military power to withstand any reactionary shocks in taking back Mongolia. China just needs to get really really strong and powerful and sustainable as much as possible. Right @Martian2 ?

There is no point in building a massive military if you're not going to use it.

This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

In a peaceful world, it is extremely difficult to reclaim Outer Mongolia.

However, if President Donald Trump fires the first shot in the South China Sea then it's probably the only chance for China to claim self-defense and reclaim Outer Mongolia for the long war against the US.

It's an opportunity that China should not pass up.

It is reckless to take unnecessary geopolitical risks. However, it is equally harmful to be overly timid. The balance is to retake Outer Mongolia to pressure the United States to cease its naval military activity.

If the United States does not stop waging a South China Sea war then China takes Myanmar. Next year, Laos. The year after that, Vietnam (with an EMP strike). The pressure is on the United States to stop fighting a South China Sea war or China will keep expanding the buffer zones in Asia.

This way, China can't lose. If the United States wants China to stop expanding, we will have peace. If the US insists on fighting, China keeps growing in territory and raising more Chinese to fight the Americans. Think of China as a supersized Israel. Either come to the negotiating table or we keep pushing our advantages. That's the path to take.

 

[Place Of Space]

No country today should be considered big enough or not. Just look at Russia who is the largest country in land size in the world, but with only a population of about 144 million people. It is about those with power who makes the rules of right and wrong like the major Western powers did in the 1700's-to-the-present. In this century, I think it will be the great big test of whether China will be able to build a strong enough economy and military power to withstand any reactionary shocks in taking back Mongolia. China just needs to get really really strong and powerful and sustainable as much as possible. Right @Martian2 ?

Agreed. USSR made Out Mongolia independent is the same way like Russia occupied Crimea. Power speaks. The all procedure were illegal. Step I, USSR sent troops into Out Mongolia; Step II, slaughter all Mongolian politicians who were anti-seperated from China; Step III, made a referendum and falsify the referendum result. Step VI, educate the local people to hate its moterland and change its social culture.