China-US Geopolitics: News & Discussions

[ahojunk]

U.S. President Obama says everyone worse off if U.S.-China ties break
2016-12-17 11:08 | Xinhua | Editor: Li Yan

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U.S. President Barack Obama speaks at his final news conference of the year in White House in Washington D.C., the United States, Dec. 16, 2016. U.S. President Barack Obama said on Friday no other bilateral relationship carries more significance than U.S.-China relationship, and if the U.S.-China relation breaks down, everyone becomes worse off. (Photo: Xinhua/Yin Bogu)


U.S. President Barack Obama said on Friday no other bilateral relationship carries more significance than U.S.-China relationship, and if the U.S.-China relation breaks down, everyone becomes worse off.

"Given the importance of the relation between the United States and China, given how much is at stake, in terms of the world economy, national security... China's increasing role in international affairs, there's probably no bilateral relationship that carries more significance," said Obama here in his final news conference of the year.

"There's also the potential if that relationship breaks down or goes into a full conflict mode that everybody's worse off," he added.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump early this month received a telephone call from Taiwan's Tsai Ing-wen.

After the phone call, the White House reaffirmed it's firm commitment to one-China policy on several occasions.

It is universally recognized by the international community that there is only one China in the world, and both the mainland and Taiwan belong to one China.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has made clear that adherence to one-China policy is the prerequisite for Taiwan to conduct contacts with foreign countries or participate in international activities.


*******

Like it or not, the only bilateral relationship that really matters is that of the G2.
Maybe the EU matters a bit. The rest is just cannon fodder.

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[ahojunk]

China protests US defense bill
(China Daily) 08:22, December 27, 2016

A file photo of Hua Chunying, the spokesperson of the Foreign Ministry. [Photo/IC]​

China lodged a protest with the United States for signing a defense act that included a call for senior military exchanges between the US and Taiwan, the Foreign Ministry said on Monday.

"We are resolutely against the Taiwan-related section in the US National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017, and have lodged solemn representations with the US," ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a regular news conference.

Part of the $618.7 billion National Defense Authorization Act directs the US Department of Defense to conduct a program of senior military exchanges between the US and Taiwan, Reuters reported.

Noting that the Taiwan question has a bearing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, Hua said that "China will by no means accept" the stipulation of the US defense act.

"Although the Taiwan-related content in the US act has no legal binding force, it severely violates the three joint communiques and interferes with China's domestic affairs," she said, adding that China urges the US to end military exchanges with and weapons sales to Taiwan. The three communiques were crucial agreements in the normalization of diplomatic relations between the US and China.

Hua praised the recent remarks by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security adviser to former US president Jimmy Carter. Brzezinski told WorldPost－a partnership between online news aggregator Huffington Post and independent think tank the Berggruen Institute－last week that "a world in which America and China are cooperating is a world in which American influence is maximized".

"It is not in our interest to antagonize Beijing," Brzezinski was quoted as saying. He criticized the phone call between US president-elect Donald Trump and Taiwan leader Tsai Ing-wen on Dec 2 as "a pointless irritant".

"Cooperation is the only right choice between China and the US," Hua said, adding that the two countries should adhere to the principle of non-conflict, non-confrontation, mutual respect and cooperation for win-win results.

Tang Shao-cheng, a research fellow in the Institute of International Relations at National Chengchi University in Taipei, said that although the US defense act looks like a measure that is friendly toward Taiwan, it is hard to say whether it would benefit Taiwan.

Taiwan is a valuable chip for the US to curb the rise of the Chinese mainland, Tang wrote in an article in the Taipei-based China Times, noting that it was Tsai's refusal to accept the 1992 Consensus, which establishes the one-China policy, that led to the island's self-limitation.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

China Targeted US Aircraft Carrier In The South China Sea With Dozens Of ’Carrier Killer’ Missiles

China targeted a U.S. aircraft carrier with dozens of missiles in the South China Sea days before an arbitration tribunal rejected China’s vast claims to the region, Chinese media revealed.

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force reportedly targeted the USS Ronald Reagan in the South China Sea with “carrier killer” DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missiles a few days before the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague officially discredited China’s nine-dashed line in a landmark ruling this summer, China Central Television (CCTV) indicated Tuesday, according to DW News.

The Philippines unilaterally submitted its dispute with China to an international arbitration tribunal in 2013. The court ruled against China’s claims to the South China Sea July 12, 2016.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi called the arbitration ruling a “political farce under the pretext of law.”

The U.S. and China came very close to conflict because of the South China Sea arbitration case, the CCTV report suggested.

Two U.S. carrier groups led by the USS Ronald Reagan and the USS John Stennis were deployed near the Philippines in late June, only a few weeks before the tribunal ruling.

The USS Ronald Reagan, with the other units of Carrier Strike Group 5, the U.S. Navy’s only forward-deployed strike group, conducted patrols in the South China Sea in early July.

These moves were perceived by China as a preparation for conflict. China feared that the U.S. might attempt to enforce the ruling through the use of military force.

China readied its new anti-ship missiles in response.

During this major crisis, the PLA Rocket Force aimed dozens of new missiles at a U.S. aircraft carrier in the South China Sea, CCTV revealed. The new missiles were most likely the anti-ship DF-21D missiles, DW News noted.

The DF-21D has a range of over 1,200 miles.

Prior to the ruling, from July 5 to July 11, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) reportedly dispatched three major fleets consisting of hundreds of ships and dozens of fighter aircraft to the South China Sea for drills.

De-escalation occurred in the aftermath of the ruling, and China switched to a deterrence stance, relying on its DF-21D and DF-26 missiles to keep American ships at a distance.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/29/c...a-sea-with-dozens-of-carrier-killer-missiles/

 

[BuddhaPalm]

USA is looking to deploy military forces to Taiping island as a gesture of support for Taiwan independence in the wake of the new Taiwan relations law. This is violation of the Anti-Secession Law and a red line for China to make our move. USA will probably make its move in February or March of this year. That is when the shooting war begins in South China Sea. USA will lose at least three aircraft carriers if it is determined to destroy our island based. If USA escalates to tactical nukes, we will nuke all its bases in Japan, South Korea, Guam and Australia.

 

[gambit]

The PLA claimed it 'targeted' the American ships.

Sure...Why not...???

Anyone can make any claim.

Here is the real deal...

It is difficult for people to envision a US aircraft carrier fleet at sea regarding how much ocean real estate the fleet uses. So the above illustration should make it easier by using several US states and cities as references for which component of the fleet lies where and does what. Now imagine the fleet moving across continental US while being constantly arrayed over several states at any time.

Only a dozen DF-21Ds ? Try hundreds or even thousands if China want to get lucky.

This is not even taking into consideration countermeasures that the fleet can deploy WHILE maneuvering.

 

[DJ_Viper]

China Targeted US Aircraft Carrier In The South China Sea With Dozens Of ’Carrier Killer’ Missiles

China targeted a U.S. aircraft carrier with dozens of missiles in the South China Sea days before an arbitration tribunal rejected China’s vast claims to the region, Chinese media revealed.

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force reportedly targeted the USS Ronald Reagan in the South China Sea with “carrier killer” DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missiles a few days before the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague officially discredited China’s nine-dashed line in a landmark ruling this summer, China Central Television (CCTV) indicated Tuesday, according to DW News.

The Philippines unilaterally submitted its dispute with China to an international arbitration tribunal in 2013. The court ruled against China’s claims to the South China Sea July 12, 2016.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi called the arbitration ruling a “political farce under the pretext of law.”

The U.S. and China came very close to conflict because of the South China Sea arbitration case, the CCTV report suggested.

Two U.S. carrier groups led by the USS Ronald Reagan and the USS John Stennis were deployed near the Philippines in late June, only a few weeks before the tribunal ruling.

The USS Ronald Reagan, with the other units of Carrier Strike Group 5, the U.S. Navy’s only forward-deployed strike group, conducted patrols in the South China Sea in early July.

These moves were perceived by China as a preparation for conflict. China feared that the U.S. might attempt to enforce the ruling through the use of military force.

China readied its new anti-ship missiles in response.

During this major crisis, the PLA Rocket Force aimed dozens of new missiles at a U.S. aircraft carrier in the South China Sea, CCTV revealed. The new missiles were most likely the anti-ship DF-21D missiles, DW News noted.

The DF-21D has a range of over 1,200 miles.

Prior to the ruling, from July 5 to July 11, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) reportedly dispatched three major fleets consisting of hundreds of ships and dozens of fighter aircraft to the South China Sea for drills.

De-escalation occurred in the aftermath of the ruling, and China switched to a deterrence stance, relying on its DF-21D and DF-26 missiles to keep American ships at a distance.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/29/c...a-sea-with-dozens-of-carrier-killer-missiles/

over 30 support, defensive and offensive ships per each CBG, armed to teeth with the top line tech and weapon systems. Each ship, with additional overhead and underwater support vessels is connected in real time, each has the ability to track over 100+ targets and lock onto multiple dozens of incoming objects, as well as fire dozens of weapons onto strategic targets within seconds, and with layered physical, air and underwater defense (including a Nuclear attack submarine)... and you think you'll somehow get to an AC with a dozen or two DF-XX stuff?

If getting to a CBG was this easy, China herself wouldn't have bought one (and building two in the docks). Remember, each CBG has AWACS coverage around 400 miles. So before the CBG made it closer to the Taiwanese strait, for days, every single offensive capability that posed a threat to the US CBGs, would've been charted out with plans to immediately jam or destroy those, in case it became a real life conflict.

Common guys, mature up. I know you are smarter than this. Write facts, because fiction writing belongs to Tom Clancy

 

[BuddhaPalm]

Why got up before rest of the dreams?

Like China invaded Japan Australia South Korea Vietnam India and US and became only superpower of the world.

Somebody is humiliated from 1962 spanking and spankings at DBO in 2013 and Chumar in 2014

The PLA claimed it 'targeted' the American ships.

Sure...Why not...???

Anyone can make any claim.

Here is the real deal...

It is difficult for people to envision a US aircraft carrier fleet at sea regarding how much ocean real estate the fleet uses. So the above illustration should make it easier by using several US states and cities as references for which component of the fleet lies where and does what. Now imagine the fleet moving across continental US while being constantly arrayed over several states at any time.

Only a dozen DF-21Ds ? Try hundreds or even thousands if China want to get lucky.

This is not even taking into consideration countermeasures that the fleet can deploy WHILE maneuvering.

LOL so what happened to all your boasting about policing the South China Sea after the PCA tribunal decision in November? And what happened to your trusty ally Philippines who suddenly realized how weak and impotent you are... exactly during November right after the tribunal decision and your boasting

over 30 support, defensive and offensive ships per each CBG, armed to teeth with the top line tech and weapon systems. Each ship, with additional overhead and underwater support vessels is connected in real time, each has the ability to track over 100+ targets and lock onto multiple dozens of incoming objects, as well as fire dozens of weapons onto strategic targets within seconds, and with layered physical, air and underwater defense (including a Nuclear attack submarine)... and you think you'll somehow get to an AC with a dozen or two DF-XX stuff?

If getting to a CBG was this easy, China herself wouldn't have bought one (and building two in the docks). Remember, each CBG has AWACS coverage around 400 miles. So before the CBG made it closer to the Taiwanese strait, for days, every single offensive capability that posed a threat to the US CBGs, would've been charted out with plans to immediately jam or destroy those, in case it became a real life conflict.

Common guys, mature up. I know you are smarter than this. Write facts, because fiction writing belongs to Tom Clancy

LOL after so much boasting about your superiority, you could not even stop us from confiscating your intelligence gathering drone right under your nose! Where were all your long range hyper tech weapons then?

 

[52051]

over 30 support, defensive and offensive ships per each CBG, armed to teeth with the top line tech and weapon systems. Each ship, with additional overhead and underwater support vessels is connected in real time, each has the ability to track over 100+ targets and lock onto multiple dozens of incoming objects, as well as fire dozens of weapons onto strategic targets within seconds, and with layered physical, air and underwater defense (including a Nuclear attack submarine)... and you think you'll somehow get to an AC with a dozen or two DF-XX stuff?

If getting to a CBG was this easy, China herself wouldn't have bought one (and building two in the docks). Remember, each CBG has AWACS coverage around 400 miles. So before the CBG made it closer to the Taiwanese strait, for days, every single offensive capability that posed a threat to the US CBGs, would've been charted out with plans to immediately jam or destroy those, in case it became a real life conflict.

Common guys, mature up. I know you are smarter than this. Write facts, because fiction writing belongs to Tom Clancy

The poster just post a news citing source from CCTV news, the fact is the short-lived confrontation ended with the US CV fleets runs like rabbits and fleeing all their way out of South China sea in just one day after the US commander brag they can and will fight Chinese tommorrow.

So to be honest, its just the Chinese CCTV kindly provided a explaination for the US CV fleet's sudden retreat.

So it is hardly a Tom Clancy story, if it were a Tom Clancy story, it would have been by the time the US fleet retreated then some super american "hero" like rambo or the governor of California equipped with over-sized machine gun with infinite and matter-less amount ammos to shot down all the Chinese missiles and sink all the Chinese warship and bang some chicks and save the day and world

 

[DoTell]

Somebody is humiliated from 1962 spanking and spankings at DBO in 2013 and Chumar in 2014

LOL so what happened to all your boasting about policing the South China Sea after the PCA tribunal decision in November? And what happened to your trusty ally Philippines who suddenly realized how weak and impotent you are... exactly during November right after the tribunal decision and your boasting

You can't "humiliate" the thick skinned. They know no shame. You can't shut the big mouthed either. They'll keep talking. But you can kick their butt. They are still butt hurt from 1962

 

[DJ_Viper]

The poster just post a news citing source from CCTV news, the fact is the short-lived confronts ended with the US CV fleets runs like rabbits and fleeing all their way out of South China sea in just one day after the US commander brag they can and will fight Chinese tommorrow.

US CV fleet ran like rabbits. Nice, like I said, every single threat assessment is done days before the CBG gets anywhere. You think we went to the SCS and we didn't have over a few hundred SM's and a few hundred attack missiles ready in case the Chinese fired upon us? Like I said, Tom Clancy writes better. Post facts, not "wana be" Tom Clancy stuff. The US was really hoping we would be engaged in the SCS sea to show off some muscle. You, your government and everyone on here knows that. You guys maintained a defensive posture so that avoided confrontation.

LOL after so much boasting about your superiority, you could not even stop us from confiscating your intelligence gathering drone right under your nose! Where were all your long range hyper tech weapons then?

So you'll attack an unarmed ship and steal a $ 150K drone. How about you man-up, next time try to "confiscate" a drone from a US Destroyer or a Warship. Let me know if the confiscating team had a ship to go back to. Power projection doesn't happen when you attack a ship without combat capability to even respond to pirates. I guess I can call this a Pirates of SCS operation. Next time, you can try this on a US destroyer, lose a few of your ships and you'd be welcomed to "collect" your team off California's shores

 

[BuddhaPalm]

So you'll attack an unarmed ship and steal a $ 150K drone. How about you man-up, next time try to "confiscate" a drone from a US Destroyer or a Warship. Let me know if the confiscating team had a ship to go back to. Power projection doesn't happen when you attack a ship without combat capability to even respond to pirates. I guess I can call this a Pirates of SCS operation. Next time, you can try this on a US destroyer, lose a few of your ships and you'd be welcomed to "collect" your team off California's shores

LOL so your hyper tech long range weapons are only good for boasting but cannot even stop us from confiscating your intelligence gathering drone from right under your navy vessel nose... carry on with your boasting and how you will get us "next time"

 

[oprih]

Even america is receiving bitch slaps from China these days.

 

[DJ_Viper]

LOL so your hyper tech long range weapons are only good for boasting but cannot even stop us from confiscating your intelligence gathering drone from right under your navy vessel nose... carry on with your boasting and how you will get us "next time"

Here you go, have fun and enjoy. We sent you a Third aircraft carrier with love on this new year eve. Combined the three CBG's, there are over 180 4.5th gen combat jets on these and a range of lethal attack destroyers . Thanks


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The U.S. Navy is deploying a third Carrier Strike Group to Asia to reinforce the two already patrolling the South China Sea as the United States continues to strengthen its already formidable naval air forces in this volatile area.
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The Carrier Strike Group of the Nimitz-class nuclear powered supercarrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) will deploy to Asia on January 5 and 6, 2017 from Naval Base San Diego, principal homeport of the United States Pacific Fleet, announced the Navy.

Escorting the Carl Vinson to Asia will be the Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG-57) and the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108). Another guided missile destroyer, the USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112) will later join the three warships.

The USS Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group consists of 7,500 sailors and airmen attached to various squadrons under Carrier Air Wing 2.

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[gambit]

Even america is receiving bitch slaps from China these days.

The fact that we are in the SCS at our pleasure means it is US who are giving out the bitch slaps.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

Here you go, have fun and enjoy. We sent you a Third aircraft carrier with love on this new year eve. Combined the three CBG's, there are over 180 4.5th gen combat jets on these and a range of lethal attack destroyers . Thanks


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The U.S. Navy is deploying a third Carrier Strike Group to Asia to reinforce the two already patrolling the South China Sea as the United States continues to strengthen its already formidable naval air forces in this volatile area.
Like Us on Facebook


The Carrier Strike Group of the Nimitz-class nuclear powered supercarrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) will deploy to Asia on January 5 and 6, 2017 from Naval Base San Diego, principal homeport of the United States Pacific Fleet, announced the Navy.

Escorting the Carl Vinson to Asia will be the Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG-57) and the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108). Another guided missile destroyer, the USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112) will later join the three warships.

The USS Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group consists of 7,500 sailors and airmen attached to various squadrons under Carrier Air Wing 2.

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LOL floating coffins they are. Poor sailors, dying for corrupt politicians in Washington.

The fact that we are in the SCS at our pleasure means it is US who are giving out the bitch slaps.

Really? Then why jump up and down about our island bases, ADIZ, patrols, exercises and confiscation of intelligence gathering drones?