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At least, Ryukyu should be independant from Japan. Let Ryukyu be Ryukyu.
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Of course I know what is written there, it says: "Chinese Humiliation Map";
The map does not discriminate which is Chinese territory, which is tributary/vassal states. But to what extend does China considered what is theirs? This is not made clear so that China can opportunistically claim a lot of its neighbors territories. Such as this map, at once, China also claim part of Siberia:
It said: How much land has Russian pirate grab our (Chinese) land? Reject Communism, Fight Russia! Reclaim our land!
Next is South China sea...
Now, it is Okinawa turn~ LOL
Furthermore what exactly is there something to be humiliated? The very fact that Chinese feel humiliated that they cannot control other kingdoms or states on unequal term (朝貢 anymore shows that Chinese still in the very heart Chauvinistic and look down upon others;
Britain does not feel humiliated at all when they lose their colonies and power nor do German feel humiliated by their defeat in WW2; In contrary, they feel regretful. Humiliation begets revenge, which is reminiscent of what Nazi German did. Remember that Hitler always spread the message that German being humiliated by the outcome of WWI and Versailes treaty. In the end, Hitler seek revenge to gain back what the German "lose";
FYI, the map that you posted is obviously from Republic Of China(Taiwan). The Chinese character is from right to left, it has anti-communist slogan and also the national flag of ROC. It is hardly surprising that ROC would be anti-communist and is angry with Soviet Union/Russia.Of course I know what is written there, it says: "Chinese Humiliation Map";
The map does not discriminate which is Chinese territory, which is tributary/vassal states. But to what extend does China considered what is theirs? This is not made clear so that China can opportunistically claim a lot of its neighbors territories. Such as this map, at once, China also claim part of Siberia:
It said: How much land has Russian pirate grab our (Chinese) land? Reject Communism, Fight Russia! Reclaim our land!
Next is South China sea...
Now, it is Okinawa turn~ LOL
Furthermore what exactly is there something to be humiliated? The very fact that Chinese feel humiliated that they cannot control other kingdoms or states on unequal term (朝貢 anymore shows that Chinese still in the very heart Chauvinistic and look down upon others;
Britain does not feel humiliated at all when they lose their colonies and power nor do German feel humiliated by their defeat in WW2; In contrary, they feel regretful. Humiliation begets revenge, which is reminiscent of what Nazi German did. Remember that Hitler always spread the message that German being humiliated by the outcome of WWI and Versailes treaty. In the end, Hitler seek revenge to gain back what the German "lose";
About a hundred year ago the events that brought about the May Fourth movement make Chinese realized that we lived in a dog eat dog world. We cannot depend on the power that be(the West) to do justice by us no matter how much we pay them. We need to do it by ourselves 落后就要挨打. We need to abandon the traditional sinocentric Confucian world view on international affair because it obviously does not fit the real world that we lived in.
A group of Marxist then formed the CCP with the goal of making China into a competitive power in as short time as possible. To realized that dream, grand risky social experiment needs to be taken. China paid a heavy price for some of those failed policy. But one cannot deny the fact that China did indeed modernize and is well on the way to a power statehood in accordance with aspiration.
China is at a mess and is very very backward compare to other nation when Mao inherit China. To modernize China, obviously drastic measure has to be taken. China can look at example of UK, Germany, US, Japan and SU/Russia. But China either geopolitical or cultural is not similar to any of this nation, therefore none of them could be directly copied. The closes is SU/Russia with vast rural peasant population. Joseph Stalin for all the faults that he is blamed, but one cannot deny the fact that he made SU/Russia into a superpower.
To realize the gargantuan task facing Mao, one only needs to look at India today. India in most aspect is much more modernize than China. The only thing going for China is our culture, our tradition of a centralize political system. It is easy for us today to criticize Mao with 20-20 hindsight. But he did what have to be done.
It is undeniable that Mao and communism/socialism is now part of Chinese history, therefore part of Chinese civilization. It does not have have to be one or the other. Mao did not succeed in eradicating Chinese culture, nor should we try to erase him.
Of course I know what is written there, it says: "Chinese Humiliation Map";
The map does not discriminate which is Chinese territory, which is tributary/vassal states. But to what extend does China considered what is theirs? This is not made clear so that China can opportunistically claim a lot of its neighbors territories. Such as this map, at once, China also claim part of Siberia:
It said: How much land has Russian pirate grab our (Chinese) land? Reject Communism, Fight Russia! Reclaim our land!
Next is South China sea...
Now, it is Okinawa turn~ LOL
Furthermore what exactly is there something to be humiliated? The very fact that Chinese feel humiliated that they cannot control other kingdoms or states on unequal term (朝貢 anymore shows that Chinese still in the very heart Chauvinistic and look down upon others;
Britain does not feel humiliated at all when they lose their colonies and power nor do German feel humiliated by their defeat in WW2; In contrary, they feel regretful. Humiliation begets revenge, which is reminiscent of what Nazi German did. Remember that Hitler always spread the message that German being humiliated by the outcome of WWI and Versailes treaty. In the end, Hitler seek revenge to gain back what the German "lose";
Yes, he had a deed to make China as a whole again. But a very bad statesman.
I don't think China in late '70 was modernized. They even leave behind again. Mao and communism are part of ugly Chinese history and mistake that we had done. There's nothing to be proud off with the communist nor nasionalist.
We can modernized while being traditional at the same time. It was a big mistake we had done to defamed and demonized Chinese civilization.
The Republic was actually not better than CCP.
KMT is responsible for the independence of Outer Mongolia.
Even the Republic Founder Sun was trying to sold out Xingjian and Mongolia to Japan in order to gain their support of eliminating Qing Dynasty.
It's true, KMT and whole Republic of China is no better than CCP.
At the least the Ryukyuans should know they'll have China's backing if they decide to have a referendum in the future.
First of all,
I suppose you know how old these two maps actually are.
The difference is, the Chinese saw no hope to reclaim part of Siberia and Mongolia from "mother Soviet Russia" control, so it officially relinquish the claim.Secondly,
you need to know the fact that those territories China lost to Russia (#106), is already officially given up by the Central Government. Also years ago China took back a small part of land from Central Asia,
which means that the territory issue from the north of China is a thing of the past, so is the concept of the old map (#106). The argument is completely over.
However, as for SCS and Taiwan, China never gives them up.
Please know the different.
If you look at the description, it said: "中華失地領土" (Lost Chinese Land)Since you know what 朝貢 is, I would like to ask you: did China nowadays ever claim those modern countries which was part of the Tribute, such as Thailand, Kazakhstan, Korea and outer Mongolia.
The first map you posted, is a "map of the Tribute" (just like British CW), not a "map of China".
Please know the different.
I am talking about the ultranationalist claim~ (see my first post)Besides I don't think China is really claiming Ryukyu.
(questioning doesn't mean claiming but the article#1 is still stupid)
I also believe that it was just a temporarily stupid action, since it is impossible and unrealistic for China to support Ryukyu independence movement (not to mention claiming Ryukyu as China's second Taiwan).
1. The Chinese government always claim that they don't like to disturb the internal affairs of other countries;
2. The Ryukyu independence movement actually support the other independence movements, such as Tibet.
3. As I have mentioned before, Ryukyu is never a China's territory.
LOL~
The Chinese are simply too nice. The Chinese should learn from the US on Hawaii. The Chinese should sent lots of merchants to do business there, stay there, build families where and then request a referendum.
This is how Hawaii became part of USA. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
If you look at the description, it said: "中華失地領土" (Lost Chinese Land)
In the strictest sense, for ultranationalist, it is "map of Lost China" or "Map of what suppose to be Chinese Land if not lost". The map I shown was just to mock and ridicule them.
LOL~ so you suggest that China should act like USA?
So where is the old condemnation of USA imperialist (反美帝国主义 goes?
This is why I said Chinese ultranationalism still holds true and pervasive in Mainland Chinese society, even in government bureaucracies.