China should not interfere in Indian affairs: IAF

[gpit]

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By the way a political debate or a public debate is a democratic system, so i will let you decide how much democracy is fail.

in fact this forum, the whole bloody internet is the amalgamation of democracy. (freedom of expression)

Facts decide how much a democracy fails: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/36495-india-tops-world-hunger-chart.html

Second your 2nd para above.

 

[gpit]

Hm i couldn't find the article, u have to provide a better link

but this goes against everything that happened during the end of the cold war.

Mass protest's and marches.
Clearly they were not happy under communist rule,
If the article was true why did they break down the wall ?

and kudos sir,
for you avoiding to address the majority of my previous post
i would like to re-state my previous point "Chinese people have no say in political decisions True or false"
All power lies in CCP so If Indians want to know china's opinion just listen to CCP as the opinions of its people is irrelevant.

I am amazed at what you, and those who thanked you, are brainwashed by your shameless, low grade, mentally blind, pandemic demoncratic propaganda! You are all affected by the virus!

As a matter of fact, various sources indicate that the democratic Indians are far unhappier than the Chinese under authoritarian rules.

Happiness net statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

#29 China
#36 India

Map Of World Happiness - A Global Projection of Subjective Well-Being: Science Fiction in the News

Having such an "enemy", "potential enemy", or rival, China should be worry free.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

Can anyone tell me exactly on what basis is the Chinese claim to Auranchal Pradesh. The next thing they will do is claim the whole of Indian, there is no stopping anyone from claiming and having wet dreams. I dont think India ever invaded China and annexed AP, so where is the justification of the claim.

Buddy,
I beg you to not raise such arguments

Can you stop a goat eating grass? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat grass to survive.

Can you stop a pig eating crap? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat every available crappy food to survive.

similarly,
Can you stop china from claiming foreign territories? NO
Cause: In order for the CCP to survive it has to divert its peoples attention from looking for a change in the ruling and constitution.Every time it senses such noise like a rise in the democratic movement or any sort of anti communism it needs to divert its citizens attention from the domestic issues towards national security issues.Since there is no one claiming chinese territory or trying to invade China in this peaceful millennium China itself is taking the turn to claim the foreign lands.
Some times it claims Vietnam
sometimes Philippines.
Some times Taiwan.
Some times Mongolia.
Some times Russia.
Some times India.
Some times Japan.and so on......................

Buddhism is not chinese religion nor it was founded in china.Siddhārtha born in the region between India and Nepal and achieved moksha under Bodhi tree in Bihar.Since then people started following him and caring his words towards peace and so..
Then the religion keep spreading its wings from its epicenter towards north and east.Basically china being a Han territory confined in between the great wall to prevent the invaders stood far from Buddhism.Even from the age old days like when you consider the ancient maps Tibet is always stated as a separate territory and no Han even knew that there is a place on earth named Tibet.But with the spreading of buddhism into china they came to know about a place of buddhist monks and thier monastries.
After being under attack in the early 20th century and in the later 19th century Hans were screwed up.They were kept under attack starting from the mongols to the present japanese.WWII changed the fortune of Hans.A strive for cultural revolution together with a strive to fortify themself from the invaders they grouped again.Taking the situation to his advantage and considering the rise of Soviet Union which is following the same communist policies and noticed the advent of capatalist economies like the west ,Mao mated all together and formed the CCP and brought a revolution among the loosers.He influenced Hans with his words.they used to keep a pocket book of Mao`s words and quotes and used to follow them as like slokas in Gita.Being turned into a psuedo dictator on his own Mao grouped the hans and other tribes including some minorities.People who didnt liked the mao philosophies of monarchy cum dictatorism left the country and got settled in an island which later became Republic of China.Taking the shots for centuries mao felt that its time to consolidate and started invading other small and un defended nations.Tibet which came in his way holding no more than a 50,000 people at that time,he sent an army of over 40,000 to kill as many monks and take control of the plateau.With the fear of loosing their only lives they ran across the border and got settled in parts of India near the borders.
since the leader of Tibet is away from the home land and there is a possibility to lay a claim on his own country any time in future ,mao felt like invading all the territories that hold the roots of buddhism.in that way Tawang felt in the eyes of mao being the birth place of so called lama.
As long as the ruler in exile is alive there is an unknown danger to Tibet claims.Hence mao tried as many attempts to get rid of Lama.even tried to kill him by calling him for an official meet.thats the brief story.

If India goes according to chinese strategy, then whole of the subcontinent should be under Indian control i.e should be recalled as Bharatavarsha.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

I am amazed at what you, and those who thanked you, are brainwashed by your shameless, low grade, mentally blind, pandemic demoncratic propaganda! You are all affected by the virus!

As a matter of fact, various sources indicate that the democratic Indians are far unhappier than the Chinese under authoritarian rules.

Happiness net statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

#29 China
#36 India

Map Of World Happiness - A Global Projection of Subjective Well-Being: Science Fiction in the News

Having such an "enemy", "potential enemy", or rival, China should be worry free.

Probably people of India were not happy for having too many politicians who only came to the rescue during the election time.
But for sure they will be happiest as compared to China ,such that atleast their organs given by GOD were not put for sale after thier death and raising the foreign reserves with the organ money.
Peace.

 

[graphican]

Chinese built the great wall to protect thier kingdom.look where the great wall is not and where the territory they are claiming is now?

its insane to keep on claiming every piece of land.

A friend of mine visited me yesterday who has been to China only a week back. He described china as great country with unimaginable development but excessively populated. China is in need of land and natural resources more than any other country in the world and if they are unable to arrange that, they couldn't sustain their marvelous growth which they would never like to slow down. Considering that, you can understand what is making them demand their territory back.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

To open your myopic mind, the Chinese vote in a different way, not your way.

BTW, does your clownish vote help you anything? Hunger, illiteracy, corruption?

Untill the late 70`s china did suffered with the same hunger ,illeteracy .
and not to mention Corruption is still spreading its wings and continue from the president to the normal person.

It is only after the economic reform that took place in the early 80`s changed the situation in china.And in 30 years it lifted a significant % from poverty.Both poverty and literacy are mutually dependant on each other.Hence the decline in poverty lead to riase in literacy rate.

On the contrary India got its economic reforms in the late 90`s.If we go with the similar stats we need to wait for another 20 years to see considerable changes.
on the side note is that people sitting in the first compartment of a train shouldnt discriminate the one in the last compartment.

And corruption------It is all over the world.
Atleast in India Jawans dont give bribes to get a job/posting in the armed forces which is quiet common in China.period

 

[gpit]

Buddy,
I beg you to not raise such arguments

Can you stop a goat eating grass? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat grass to survive.

Can you stop a pig eating crap? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat every available crappy food to survive.

similarly,
Can you stop china from claiming foreign territories? NO
Cause: In order for the CCP to survive it has to divert its peoples attention from looking for a change in the ruling and constitution.Every time it senses such noise like a rise in the democratic movement or any sort of anti communism it needs to divert its citizens attention from the domestic issues towards national security issues.Since there is no one claiming chinese territory or trying to invade China in this peaceful millennium China itself is taking the turn to claim the foreign lands.
Some times it claims Vietnam
sometimes Philippines.
Some times Taiwan.
Some times Mongolia.
Some times Russia.
Some times India.
Some times Japan.and so on......................

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Can you stop a goat eating grass? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat grass to survive.

Can you stop a pig eating crap? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat every available crappy food to survive.

No.

So you can't stop some Indians from lying.

You can't stop China settled all land dispute with its neighbors but India.

you can't stop India from not resolving land dispute with any its neighbors, to have its imperialistic mentally alive, just as imperialistic british.

You can not expect Indians to vote away hunger, illiteracy.

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[gpit]

Untill the late 70`s china did suffered with the same hunger ,illeteracy .
and not to mention Corruption is still spreading its wings and continue from the president to the normal person.

It is only after the economic reform that took place in the early 80`s changed the situation in china.And in 30 years it lifted a significant % from poverty.Both poverty and literacy are mutually dependant on each other.Hence the decline in poverty lead to riase in literacy rate.

On the contrary India got its economic reforms in the late 90`s.If we go with the similar stats we need to wait for another 20 years to see considerable changes.
on the side note is that people sitting in the first compartment of a train shouldnt discriminate the one in the last compartment.

And corruption------It is all over the world.
Atleast in India Jawans dont give bribes to get a job/posting in the armed forces which is quiet common in China.period

Yes, huger and illiteracy were much worse than those in India when PRC was just established in 1949.

And you are still true in talking about 70s' China.

But now it is 2009! Yes, 2009. And please either cure your myopia or put on some glasses to see that India NOW (2009) is worse than China of more than 30 years ago.

And as if you have many found pretextc for that, eh? how think faced is that? How heartless is that!

Now stop bragging your vote, starting feeling bad for those who suffer hunger, who can't read!

 

[sathruvinasakh]

A friend of mine visited me yesterday who has been to China only a week back. He described china as great country with unimaginable development but excessively populated. A 3 bedroom flat which costs 4-5 Million in Pakistan is sold for 15 Million in China. Their immense economic growth is hungry for land and other natural resources as much as possible. China is in need of land and natural resources more than any other country in the world. Considering that, you can understand what is making them demand their territory back.

Since you dont have a room available to keep your new borns in your home,u shouldnt be taking control of yours neighbours house.
You have to think of alternatives in an ethical manner but not in a maniac manner.

Even if the growing population is the cause for the invasion of foreign lands,You can take a look at the population densities and their loactions in China.while >70% of the populatio is confined to the coastal regions and only 30% or less is dispersed all over the country.
Even ignoring the invaded territories China still has enough land for agriculture and hide outs.

And your point that China taking back control of its previous land is a big false statement.It is never supossed to have either root of orgins or any other sort in those so called lands.
It is only these day after the invasion its keep migrating the native Hans to those regions just to raise the population ratios.

 

[gpit]

Probably people of India were not happy for having too many politicians who only came to the rescue during the election time.
But for sure they will be happiest as compared to China ,such that atleast their organs given by GOD were not put for sale after thier death and raising the foreign reserves with the organ money.
Peace.

Friend, let me straighten you a FUNDAMENTAL flaw in your logic: voting can't make a person with empty stomach happy. No, never!

Only food can make them happy.

Compared with food, for a hunger person, vote is nothing, no value.

If you go against this natural law, let me wish you the best luck of the whole universe.

 

[sathruvinasakh]

Can you stop a goat eating grass? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat grass to survive.

Can you stop a pig eating crap? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat every available crappy food to survive.

No.

So you can't stop some Indians from lying.

You can't stop China settled all land dispute with its neighbors but India.

you can't stop India from not to resolve land dispute with any its neighbors, to have its imperialistic mentally alive, just as imperialistic british.

You can not expect Indians to vote away hunger, illiteracy.

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If others ceded their territories for some diplomatic and economic reasons doesnt simply mean india has to follow the same.

Yes, huger and illiteracy were much worse than those in India when PRC was just established in 1949.

And you are still true in talking about 70s' China.

But now it is 2009! Yes, 2009. And please either cure your myopia or put on some glasses to see that India NOW (2009) is worse than China of more than 30 years ago.

And as if you have many found pretextc for that, eh? how think faced is that? How heartless is that!

Now stop bragging your vote, starting feeling bad for those who suffer hunger, who can't read!

You are aboslutely wrong.Get your database updated first.
Since the economic reforms took place in the late 90`s India lifted as many from poverty and turned illiterates into literates.

Coal is a coal and diamond is a diamond.Whether you agree with that or not ,u have to go with it.

It is dictatorism in China.Hence people follow the Gov.Be it good or bad.On the other hand it is democracy in India.Gov has to follow people.
In a democratic country and with such a huge population no one should expect things change in one year.The process is a slow and consistent process.And on top of that the policies of one ruling party may differ with the next sucessive ruling party.Hence some changes may occur and the lifting system might get a break or speed up.It has to be considered as a sine wave.On the contrary China has never seen a different government other that ruling CCP since 40`s.SO the structure is stable and the follow up of once laid process puts more force in the next coming year.
Its the major drawback of having democracy only in this regard.

And all other you state are literally falsified if you take a view into facts.

 

[Fennecus]

China does not interfere with the internal affairs of other nations.

AP is disputed territory and only administered by India, and as such would not constitute as interfering with India's internal affairs. The McMahon line is legacy of British imperalism that India had the fortune of inhereiting, and will never be recognized by China (neither PRC nor ROC).

 

[Peshwa]

Can you stop a goat eating grass? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat grass to survive.

Can you stop a pig eating crap? NO
Cause: it is its nature and it has to eat every available crappy food to survive.

No.

So you can't stop some Indians from lying.

You can't stop China settled all land dispute with its neighbors but India.

you can't stop India from not resolving land dispute with any its neighbors, to have its imperialistic mentally alive, just as imperialistic british.

You can not expect Indians to vote away hunger, illiteracy.

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I wont generalize about the Chinese since I have very close Chinese friends, but can definitely say that we can count on you for your hypocrisy.....

How shameless can one get....You live in a country called USA which prides itself on Democracy, you call yourself American (based on the flags in your avatar)....and yet you have the audacity to criticize democracy???
Grow a pair and call a spade a spade.....Democracy is the most advanced political system......and was it not for it, you wouldnt have the right to shamelessly criticize the same.....

As far as "China settling its disputes"......

Do you know the size of the lands in question that China settled on with its neighbors??......

You expect to compare 90,000 Square Kms of prime real estate, of strategic value to India, with some iddy-biddy pieces of barren snow covered lands with Russia etc.??
Show me an instance where land of such value and size has been compromised by China in the name of peace.....

Besides have you been able to relocate the displaced Tibetians back into Tibet....NO!!! Any country can solve its minor issues, we do it with Nepal all the time.....but have you settled any issues of significance?

And please dont comment on Kashmir....these are things you know not of.....

 

[gpit]

I wont generalize about the Chinese since I have very close Chinese friends, but can definitely say that we can count on you for your hypocrisy.....

How shameless can one get....You live in a country called USA which prides itself on Democracy, you call yourself American (based on the flags in your avatar)....and yet you have the audacity to criticize democracy???
Grow a pair and call a spade a spade.....Democracy is the most advanced political system......and was it not for it, you wouldnt have the right to shamelessly criticize the same.....

As far as "China settling its disputes"......

Do you know the size of the lands in question that China settled on with its neighbors??......

You expect to compare 90,000 Square Kms of prime real estate, of strategic value to India, with some iddy-biddy pieces of barren snow covered lands with Russia etc.??
Show me an instance where land of such value and size has been compromised by China in the name of peace.....

Besides have you been able to relocate the displaced Tibetians back into Tibet....NO!!! Any country can solve its minor issues, we do it with Nepal all the time.....but have you settled any issues of significance?

And please dont comment on Kashmir....these are things you know not of.....

You failed to refute any my arguments:

"You can't stop China settled all land dispute with its neighbors but India.

you can't stop India from not resolving land dispute with any its neighbors, to have its imperialistic mentally alive, just as imperialistic british.

You can not expect Indians to vote away hunger, illiteracy."

Just as there are different types of communism, there are different kinds of democracy.

I see US democracy works relatively fine domestically, because, by and large, people live well. If 40% of American children suffered hunger, 40% of total population were illiterate, I'd cry out. I may move out to another country to prevent my children from being stunted. Actually, you (and other countries as well) make democracy look bad.

Now admit your problem, and try to fix it. Don't find excuses for your own countryman's sake!

You democratically elected politicians suck!

 

[vandemataram]

For those "Indians" living in AP, their rent is long overdue.

Hello War Professor, get this thing inside deep...

If you ever attack AP to wrest it from the Union of India, we will probably be destroyed

As the founder of Pakistan once said: We will have Hindustan divided or we will have Hindustan destroyed

Trust us, we are going to do the same, we will see how red is the color of Han blood as compared to INDIAN blood...